Leaving For A Bit
Jammer
Join Date: 2002-06-03 Member: 728Members, Constellation
Join Date: 2002-06-03 Member: 728Members, Constellation
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<div class="IPBDescription">Cooling down.</div> I've been really active in here, and I like the discussions. Recently though, my posts have become nothing but flame bait, insults, and rhetoric. Looking back, I'm well on my way to bansville. I don't want to be banned, so I'm gonna be taking some time off from this place. I'll post on the other forums, just not here. I just need to cool down a bit...
I'm sure my well thought out right wing logic will be missed by Ryo, CwaG, and Nem. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Joe
I'm sure my well thought out right wing logic will be missed by Ryo, CwaG, and Nem. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
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*cracks knuckles* ok right wingers, it's show time!
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->my posts have become nothing but flame bait, insults, and rhetoric.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Flamebait? Insults? Rhetoric? You've been stealing my material havent you <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
lol j/p
hope to see you back soon jammer
*cracks knuckles* ok right wingers, it's show time! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
*raises hand* <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I'm sure my well thought out right wing logic will be missed by Ryo, CwaG, and Nem. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Joe <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I love you. Hurry back.
Right Wings> Left Wings =)
same actually... just kinda check up on the forums (prob off topic) cause
a) you usually have intelligent people to discuss with
b) you guys are awesome
c) I always learn something new here
d) cause i hate to letter all my responses o.O
be back soon my man... even tho im going with you
(:
*cracks knuckles* ok right wingers, it's show time! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't worry I'll post my Conservitive oppinions. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
*sigh* Seems like fewer left-wingers every day. We are a dying breed...
*walks away wondering why such far out ideas as free health care are hated by so many....*
*sigh* Seems like fewer left-wingers every day. We are a dying breed...
*walks away wondering why such far out ideas as free health care are hated by so many....* <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Because they have many flaws in the way they want to put them together.
If there was to be any kind of perfect society, I believe it would be a conservative socialist one. To explain that deeper, you should probably read "Out of the Ashes" a great series about post apoltiptic world.
Unfortunely, left wingers AREN"T a dying breed, not when you own the media and the teachers.
Yeah right , so IndyMedia is the official , mainstream news source while Fox News is an "alternative" one ? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
If the teachers are "owned" by the left wingers , what about the preachers ? They usually support the conservative opinions... both are involved in the younger people's education , but the preachers teachings can't be questioned since they take their inspiration from Holy Scriptures and not militant marxist historians. *cough*
aha, ahaaahaha, ahahahahaha.
sorry, thats just plain false.
and how does a poltical persuation OWN teachers anyway?
Saying the Left Wing owns the Media is not accurate. They do however maintain a stranglehold on U.S. national television news. But I'm sure you'll deny that too.
Saying the Left Wing owns the teachers is also not accurate. What is true, however, is that the Left Wing owns the Public School teachers. Teacher's Union control varies from state to state but here in Michigan, the only way for a teacher to not pay dues or in any way be associated to a teachers union is to not work in a public school. I know this because my girlfriend has been working tirelessly to find a public school teaching position that doesn't require union affiliation. She hasn't been able to find a position because so many schools in the area won't settle their contracts for the current school year. Thus, schools without settled contracts cannot hire for new positions. She has been in constant contact with <a href='http://www.mackinac.org/' target='_blank'>The Mackinac Center for Public Policy</a>. This <a href='http://www.mackinac.org/article.asp?ID=5560#' target='_blank'>article</a> is one anecdote describing the MEA's opinion of an organization that tries to help teachers avoid union membership.
Check out the <a href='http://www.mea.org/design.cfm?p=1468' target='_blank'>Michigan Education Association</a> website if you're not convinced of their political affiliations. The <a href='http://www.nea.org/topics/' target='_blank'>National Education Association</a> isn't much better.
Saying the Left Wing owns the Media is not accurate. They do however maintain a stranglehold on U.S. national television news. But I'm sure you'll deny that too.
Saying the Left Wing owns the teachers is also not accurate. What is true, however, is that the Left Wing owns the Public School teachers. Teacher's Union control varies from state to state but here in Michigan, the only way for a teacher to not pay dues or in any way be associated to a teachers union is to not work in a public school. I know this because my girlfriend has been working tirelessly to find a public school teaching position that doesn't require union affiliation. She hasn't been able to find a position because so many schools in the area won't settle their contracts for the current school year. Thus, schools without settled contracts cannot hire for new positions. She has been in constant contact with The Mackinac Center for Public Policy. This article is one anecdote describing the MEA's opinion of an organization that tries to help teachers avoid union membership.
Check out the Michigan Education Association website if you're not convinced of their political affiliations. The National Education Association isn't much better. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<a href='http://www-hoover.stanford.edu/pubaffairs/we/current/skandera_1100.html' target='_blank'>Some stats</a>
It's obviously true that teachers' unions donate <i>much more</i> money to democrats, but are you implying that this prohibits principled conservative teachers from accepting jobs at public schools? Statistically speaking, it doesn't seem to create <i>that</i> much of a divide. Though, I can empathize with a teacher who sees their dues going to causes they oppose-- especially when I see where my tax dollars are headed these days.
However, I believe the point put forth was that somehow, liberal teachers have a stranglehold on the students in this country, and are somehow forcing their subversive views upon the students. When you look at the stats, this doesn't really add up.
Then again, just vehemently repeat it enough times and it becomes true <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Saying the Left Wing owns the Media is not accurate. They do however maintain a stranglehold on U.S. national television news. But I'm sure you'll deny that too.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And the far right seems to own the lion's share of talk radio and TV, which is much more dangerous imho, because they don't necessarily have to deal so heavily in those pesky little facts.
Welcome to hijacked thread land . . .
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Presumably, teachers want to teach, to help their students—that’s why they enter the profession. In the classroom, they’re not afraid to innovate, motivate, and adjust. If we believe voter registration data and voting patterns, the unions’ stand may not be the typical teacher’s stand.
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Remember, the implication seemed to be that liberals aren't dying out because they conspiratorially indoctrinate our population through the media and schools . . .
The unions may direct the teachers' spending disproportionately, but that doesn't seem to translate into a liberal ideology being forced upon their students-- which seems to be where the true damage would be done, if the liberals truly controlled teachers.
If this is simply about union spending and a liberal PAC, I'm sure we can find many more similarly egregious ratios on both sides of the fence in many other directions.
I consider indoctrination a seperate issue (though a similarly important one) which has more to do with school boards, teachers, textbook publishers, and PAC contributions. I was focussing on the word "own" not "Liberal" in regards to the teachers. I've got lots of stories (by way of my GF <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->) in regards to indoctrination. Though, they have more to do with the training that teachers receive.
All is forgiven <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> So I'm on the defensive! This <i>is</i> the discussion forum, after all . . .
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I consider indoctrination a seperate issue (though a similarly important one)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Fair enough. I took this to be the initial thrust, so I just wanted to provide some stats to demonstrate that politically, there isn't a direct, clear-cut majority of either party in our public classrooms.
This thread was supposed to be about me. Lets get it back on top.
"Jammer is awesome."
Discuss. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
This thread was supposed to be about me. Lets get it back on top.
"Jammer is awesome."
Discuss. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Rawr! You are a sexy beast <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> j/k.