That's true. Comparing stealing something to file sharing is wrong. In file sharing, they lose a potential sale and nothing more. If you steal something, you're making them lose money on the product, the packaging, and the advertizing.
Really, I find the logic of "some music isn't good, I'll download all of it" rather bad. I feel sorry for you if you can't find an artist ( or artists) that you would gladly pay money for a cd and love almost every song.
I suspect, though, that people using the "I don't want to spend money on crappy music" defense wouldn't be buying CDs regardless. They'd be listening to the radio.
Most people will buy music if they like it enough to buy it. I've got a fairly massive MP3 collection, but just about all of it that I listen to is either one-offs (songs I would pay for happily if they were available in a one-off format that was as convenient as MP3s) or songs I've ripped for convenience's sake from CDs that I've actually purchased. In no instance has the availability of an MP3 in any way dissuaded me from buying the album.
Now, legal bullying, that's the sort of thing that might dissuade me from giving money to these chowderheads. If we can just starve them for long enough they won't be able to afford their lawyers' fees any more. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--MrMojo+Sep 11 2003, 11:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrMojo @ Sep 11 2003, 11:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I feel sorry for you if you can't find an artist ( or artists) that you would gladly pay money for a cd and love almost every song. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's the problem behind the RIAA. Notice how price reductions on CDs were the LAST action they took, rather than the first? I listen to music, but I don't download entire albums. I would go out and buy the CD of these albums except the prohibitively high price ($20) prevents me. Seriously, for me, $20 is a HUGE amount to pay for merely the feeling that "I supported an artist" or for any extras that might come with the CD. I'm glad they lowered the prices, but I'm miffed that they had that as their last resort rather than their first. High prices were what was causing the whole problem anyway.
btw I also went to the library and got out a CD (which was free) and burned 4 tracks to my computer (my CD drive makes a lot of noise when playing a CD). is that "wrong" or stealing?
<!--QuoteBegin--MrMojo+Sep 10 2003, 02:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrMojo @ Sep 10 2003, 02:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Soo....what do you think of the RIAA? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ATM, I think they're just trying to squeeze every extra penny out anyone they can manage. Despite the fact that CD's only cost about $5 to make (keeping the proper royalties in mind [correct me if I'm wrong]), they still charge upwards of $20 for every CD they make, some with only one or two good songs on them to boot. They should be the ones on trial for thievery.
<!--QuoteBegin--kida+Sep 10 2003, 09:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kida @ Sep 10 2003, 09:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OM# look what I Got!!! They haxed my comp!!!!! I was surfing on kazaa and I don't even have anywhere near 500 mp3's....
It appears that you are offering copyrighted music to others from your computer. While we appreciate your love of music, please be aware that sharing copyrighted music on the Internet without permission from the copyright owner is illegal. Victims of this process are the artists, songwriters and musicians who create the music and the other talented individuals who are involved in bringing you the music.
More than 40,000 Canadians work hard producing and supporting the music you appear to enjoy, including producers, engineers, retailers, music publishers, distributors, manufacturers, record companies, concert promoters and broadcasters.
When you break the law, you risk legal penalties. There is a simple way to avoid that risk: Don't distribute music to others on a file-sharing system like this. For further information, please go to www.cria.ca.
Remember that you need music and music needs you"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Things like this crap make me laugh out loud. I'm sorry, but the main thing to remember is just how little of the money from sales that artists actually make. The people hurting are the record labels, riaa and other member associations that "champion the cause" of the artists and such. The artists see pennies of each dollar made on their cds. If they actually made 1 cent per every dollar of CD prices and they sold five hundred thousand albums (assuming a price median of ~15 dollars) that's 7.5 million dollars. Divide that by 100 and you end up with 75,000 dollars. If you have a band with 4 members, that's less than 20,000 a year for each member. Rather, its touring that makes the money for the bands/artists. The RIAA isn't out there because artists are losing significant portions of money. They're out there because the corporate labels and member associations are losing money.
<!--QuoteBegin--Windelkron+Sep 11 2003, 05:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Windelkron @ Sep 11 2003, 05:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> btw I also went to the library and got out a CD (which was free) and burned 4 tracks to my computer (my CD drive makes a lot of noise when playing a CD). is that "wrong" or stealing? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Under the law, it is. As I said, we don't see the RIAA hovering over libraries. Why? Because they can get more popular and legal support if they attack TEH INTARWEB, which as we know is the source of all evil.
Umm no, getting a book or CD from the library grants you a limited license for that product. That’s why you can make photocopies out of library books for research projects. And D-loading music is only affecting POTENTIAL sales, and I cant remember the last time the IRS could collect on money people could POTENTIALLY make.
GreyPaws: you are permitted to make copies of some portions of library books, but not the whole thing. There's a "fair use" clause in copyright law that allows for a few pages in the name of research, but not the entire book. I'm fairly sure the same thing applies to music and video you check out of a library, and I'm certain the same thing applies to recording music off the radio.
as I said, I only copied 4 tracks <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> but still, since you can get a CD from a library for free, isn't libraries lending CDs diminishing potential sales? I get to listen to the music for free, when I want to listen to it, I go to the library... so I dont buy the CD. you know, same for books. Why buy a book when you can take it out from the library!?
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edited September 2003
Now here's a question.
Should people with perfect memory be considered guilty of copyright infringement everytime they listen to a song that they haven't bought? I mean after all , they can listen to it whenever they want on demand and don't have any reason to buy it. Should I be sued everytime I get a song stuck in my head?
What about people with photographic memory going to an art show?
Mojo, you are the hypocrite, supporting the RIAA, while downloading songs. I never downloaded the whole CD, but the RIAA just searches on Kazaa randomly picks sharers traces their IP and before you know it you are getting a call from your ISP.
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Really, I find the logic of "some music isn't good, I'll download all of it" rather bad. I feel sorry for you if you can't find an artist ( or artists) that you would gladly pay money for a cd and love almost every song.
Most people will buy music if they like it enough to buy it. I've got a fairly massive MP3 collection, but just about all of it that I listen to is either one-offs (songs I would pay for happily if they were available in a one-off format that was as convenient as MP3s) or songs I've ripped for convenience's sake from CDs that I've actually purchased. In no instance has the availability of an MP3 in any way dissuaded me from buying the album.
Now, legal bullying, that's the sort of thing that might dissuade me from giving money to these chowderheads. If we can just starve them for long enough they won't be able to afford their lawyers' fees any more. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
That's the problem behind the RIAA. Notice how price reductions on CDs were the LAST action they took, rather than the first?
I listen to music, but I don't download entire albums. I would go out and buy the CD of these albums except the prohibitively high price ($20) prevents me. Seriously, for me, $20 is a HUGE amount to pay for merely the feeling that "I supported an artist" or for any extras that might come with the CD. I'm glad they lowered the prices, but I'm miffed that they had that as their last resort rather than their first. High prices were what was causing the whole problem anyway.
btw I also went to the library and got out a CD (which was free) and burned 4 tracks to my computer (my CD drive makes a lot of noise when playing a CD). is that "wrong" or stealing?
ATM, I think they're just trying to squeeze every extra penny out anyone they can manage. Despite the fact that CD's only cost about $5 to make (keeping the proper royalties in mind [correct me if I'm wrong]), they still charge upwards of $20 for every CD they make, some with only one or two good songs on them to boot. They should be the ones on trial for thievery.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"WARNING:
It appears that you are offering copyrighted music to others from your computer. While we appreciate your love of music, please be aware that sharing copyrighted music on the Internet without permission from the copyright owner is illegal. Victims of this process are the artists, songwriters and musicians who create the music and the other talented individuals who are involved in bringing you the music.
More than 40,000 Canadians work hard producing and supporting the music you appear to enjoy, including producers, engineers, retailers, music publishers, distributors, manufacturers, record companies, concert promoters and broadcasters.
When you break the law, you risk legal penalties. There is a simple way to avoid that risk: Don't distribute music to others on a file-sharing system like this. For further information, please go to www.cria.ca.
Remember that you need music and music needs you"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Things like this crap make me laugh out loud. I'm sorry, but the main thing to remember is just how little of the money from sales that artists actually make. The people hurting are the record labels, riaa and other member associations that "champion the cause" of the artists and such. The artists see pennies of each dollar made on their cds. If they actually made 1 cent per every dollar of CD prices and they sold five hundred thousand albums (assuming a price median of ~15 dollars) that's 7.5 million dollars. Divide that by 100 and you end up with 75,000 dollars. If you have a band with 4 members, that's less than 20,000 a year for each member. Rather, its touring that makes the money for the bands/artists. The RIAA isn't out there because artists are losing significant portions of money. They're out there because the corporate labels and member associations are losing money.
Under the law, it is. As I said, we don't see the RIAA hovering over libraries. Why? Because they can get more popular and legal support if they attack TEH INTARWEB, which as we know is the source of all evil.
but still, since you can get a CD from a library for free, isn't libraries lending CDs diminishing potential sales? I get to listen to the music for free, when I want to listen to it, I go to the library... so I dont buy the CD. you know, same for books. Why buy a book when you can take it out from the library!?
Should people with perfect memory be considered guilty of copyright infringement everytime they listen to a song that they haven't bought? I mean after all , they can listen to it whenever they want on demand and don't have any reason to buy it. Should I be sued everytime I get a song stuck in my head?
What about people with photographic memory going to an art show?