Did we repel invaders and even let them go hide back in their holes really nicely afterwards?
Yes.
Are we taking over Iraq's oil fields? No. Are we trying to perscute a religion by rounding them up into concentration camps? No. Did we try doing something similar to the Japense during World War II? Yes.
If anything, FDR probably brought us the closest to Nazism than any other president in our history.
We haven't been breaking any treaty's that limit our arms just so we can bring our econmy back by military budget alone. We don't believe in Socalism (yes, Nazism was HEAVILY rooted in Socialism) adn we sure as hell aren't doing anything wrong by ridding Saddam from Iraq (wether you agree with the war or not, no one can deny he did horrible things to his people).
<!--QuoteBegin--Violent J+Sep 12 2003, 09:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Violent J @ Sep 12 2003, 09:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--DiscoZombie+Sep 12 2003, 07:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DiscoZombie @ Sep 12 2003, 07:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> nice pic =P as for keeping Iraq/North Korea/etc out of the picture -- what's left if you do that? I mean, Hitler was a pretty nice guy if you keep Poland/France/Russia etc out of the picture... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> and if u leave out the whole holocaust thing. <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo-->
but back to the topic..... The doctrine of preemtive striking is almost the same with both nations. Nazi Germany with its extremely successful Blitzkreig strategy and Bush Administrations preemtive strike policy.
also both countries revolutionized war and moved it into a field. Germany with tanks and bombers, and the US with UAVs, precision guild munitions, and special forces.
and the greatest simularity i can think of is.....THEY BOTH HATE FRANCE! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Thats not the point. Hitler took over the countries afterwards.
He then went in and slaughtered jews in each of those countries. Granted, we may be searching down any members of Saddams regime down, but we don't slaughter them, nor do we gather them up simply because of their religion.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->He then went in and slaughtered jews in each of those countries. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually the Vichy French government rounded up and send the Jews to the concentration camps in Germany. The NAZI government never asked them to do this either, and it did annoy them to a degree.
Is it me, or are there too many people trying to draw thin dispersions on the character of someone they do not like. You can draw parallels between any two things, no matter how dissimilar, if you stretch it thin enough. It doesn't mean anything though.
Been in a heated argument along these lines with folks over the recall, which they also dragged Bush in to on some weird tangent.
Nazi Germany was totalitarian wasn't it? I do not recall hearing much in the way of dissent from Congress, and I do not recall hearing it from the current Presidential hopefuls.
Just dissent over the cost of the war. Also missed the weapons pointing at the people who make no attempt to hide their dislike for the opposition party, unless you mean popularity polls they wanted to appeal to in order to get re-elected. Appealing to the will of the public goes against a fundamental ideal of Fascism.
I don't recall seeing death camps being set up on the circulars I receive from DoD. Unless you mean the football-sized fields in which we are finding bodies in lots of ~10,000.
I don't recall finding photo albums of women that were r**ed and murdered by a relative of our President.
I don't recall finding evidence of indulgence in vices by elected officials that other people are executed and/or mutilated for committing.
The list can go on for longer than I am willing to spend typing.
You want to draw Nazi parallels, look at the ex-government in Iraq. You'll tie it in a lot closer and perhaps reasonable people will begin to agree with you.
And to top it all we have websites like iraqbodycount.com being used as "official" counts, when they have already been caught using injury statistics from piece-o-junk Russian cluster munitions and mines as the fault of the U.S.. I mean, we stopped using anything even close to that level of unreliability after the first Iraq war (with the Mk-20 cluster).
Continue what? Non-existent debate? You start off your post saying that basically those who disagree with you need not apply. Then sprinkle warnings of thread-locking when dissent starts creeping up. That is no grounds for intelligent discourse.
Folks pull the "I'm out of ammo, lock this thread" elsewhere as well. The purpose of a discussion is for it to be two-way. There is nothing intelligent about saying something and expecting to sit back to the cheers of sympathetic masses.
If you disagree, say so and come up with something. Don't take your ball and go home.
Edit: However, in the interest of those who are finding the discussion an entertaining diversion... Feel free to blank these posts if you would like to. I am used to an environment where something is posted and both sides are argued, which this might not be and I will acknowledge that.
Im asking for on topic discussion, not how well the japanese hid their fleet. I was also hoping for some openmindedness but it dosen't look like its happening now
<!--QuoteBegin--CommunistWithAGun+Sep 15 2003, 10:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Sep 15 2003, 10:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Too many over-patriotic flag wavers to continue this intelligently. Kill this please. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Commie, rarely do you ever put up a good argument when someone brings up a point against your thoughts.
<!--QuoteBegin--Xzilen+Sep 19 2003, 10:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Xzilen @ Sep 19 2003, 10:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--CommunistWithAGun+Sep 15 2003, 10:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Sep 15 2003, 10:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Too many over-patriotic flag wavers to continue this intelligently. Kill this please. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Commie, rarely do you ever put up a good argument when someone brings up a point against your thoughts. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I only reply an argument fit for the statement, I'm not asking anyone to like my thoughts either, but I feel if it can't remain topic its gonna turn into a spam-thread.
Still, you cant dismiss them merely because they are over-patriotic flag wavers either. I know you're a socialist but I wont dismiss you as "another deluded left wing hippy".
If its getting off topic, encourage people to get back on topic. Restress the original statement. I too get sick of answering what I believe to be poorly thought out replies by the intellectually inferior, but usually thats just because I'm having a bad day. Come back when you feel better and head once more unto the bridge.
I was toying with the thought of removing absentics little drama and the whole Pearl Harbor issue (which is material for another thread) to keep this discussion going, but seeing that the last four to five posts consist of nothing but meta-discussion, I'll just <span style='color:red'>***lock***</span> and ask people interested in a continued debate to open a new thread.
Comments
Most people, when they say we knew, generally say something of the sort like it was a conspiracy; I apologize.
Did the USA try to invade Kuwait in 1990?
Simple answer. No.
Did we repel invaders and even let them go hide back in their holes really nicely afterwards?
Yes.
Are we taking over Iraq's oil fields? No. Are we trying to perscute a religion by rounding them up into concentration camps? No. Did we try doing something similar to the Japense during World War II? Yes.
If anything, FDR probably brought us the closest to Nazism than any other president in our history.
We haven't been breaking any treaty's that limit our arms just so we can bring our econmy back by military budget alone. We don't believe in Socalism (yes, Nazism was HEAVILY rooted in Socialism) adn we sure as hell aren't doing anything wrong by ridding Saddam from Iraq (wether you agree with the war or not, no one can deny he did horrible things to his people).
In short. No.
and if u leave out the whole holocaust thing. <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo-->
but back to the topic..... The doctrine of preemtive striking is almost the same with both nations. Nazi Germany with its extremely successful Blitzkreig strategy and Bush Administrations preemtive strike policy.
also both countries revolutionized war and moved it into a field. Germany with tanks and bombers, and the US with UAVs, precision guild munitions, and special forces.
and the greatest simularity i can think of is.....THEY BOTH HATE FRANCE! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thats not the point. Hitler took over the countries afterwards.
He then went in and slaughtered jews in each of those countries. Granted, we may be searching down any members of Saddams regime down, but we don't slaughter them, nor do we gather them up simply because of their religion.
Actually the Vichy French government rounded up and send the Jews to the concentration camps in Germany. The NAZI government never asked them to do this either, and it did annoy them to a degree.
Been in a heated argument along these lines with folks over the recall, which they also dragged Bush in to on some weird tangent.
Nazi Germany was totalitarian wasn't it? I do not recall hearing much in the way of dissent from Congress, and I do not recall hearing it from the current Presidential hopefuls.
Just dissent over the cost of the war. Also missed the weapons pointing at the people who make no attempt to hide their dislike for the opposition party, unless you mean popularity polls they wanted to appeal to in order to get re-elected. Appealing to the will of the public goes against a fundamental ideal of Fascism.
I don't recall seeing death camps being set up on the circulars I receive from DoD. Unless you mean the football-sized fields in which we are finding bodies in lots of ~10,000.
I don't recall finding photo albums of women that were r**ed and murdered by a relative of our President.
I don't recall finding evidence of indulgence in vices by elected officials that other people are executed and/or mutilated for committing.
The list can go on for longer than I am willing to spend typing.
You want to draw Nazi parallels, look at the ex-government in Iraq. You'll tie it in a lot closer and perhaps reasonable people will begin to agree with you.
And to top it all we have websites like iraqbodycount.com being used as "official" counts, when they have already been caught using injury statistics from piece-o-junk Russian cluster munitions and mines as the fault of the U.S.. I mean, we stopped using anything even close to that level of unreliability after the first Iraq war (with the Mk-20 cluster).
Folks pull the "I'm out of ammo, lock this thread" elsewhere as well. The purpose of a discussion is for it to be two-way. There is nothing intelligent about saying something and expecting to sit back to the cheers of sympathetic masses.
If you disagree, say so and come up with something. Don't take your ball and go home.
Edit: However, in the interest of those who are finding the discussion an entertaining diversion... Feel free to blank these posts if you would like to. I am used to an environment where something is posted and both sides are argued, which this might not be and I will acknowledge that.
should watch some 50s era propaganda, and again I recommend fallout series, b/c of its retro propaganda.
Commie, rarely do you ever put up a good argument when someone brings up a point against your thoughts.
Commie, rarely do you ever put up a good argument when someone brings up a point against your thoughts. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I only reply an argument fit for the statement, I'm not asking anyone to like my thoughts either, but I feel if it can't remain topic its gonna turn into a spam-thread.
If its getting off topic, encourage people to get back on topic. Restress the original statement. I too get sick of answering what I believe to be poorly thought out replies by the intellectually inferior, but usually thats just because I'm having a bad day. Come back when you feel better and head once more unto the bridge.