It's great! I like it. 21% ARGH! It's crap!! 49% I haven't tried it or don't know what it is. 29%<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Axehilt+Sep 12 2003, 08:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Axehilt @ Sep 12 2003, 08:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Still, since most users are very <b>un-</b>hardcore, STEAM makes sense. As long as the UI is responsive and well designed, it'll improve the user's experience. That's the catch though, it has to be at least as responsive as the current system (and with my shortcut launching directly to my favorite server, that's a pretty tall order).
I find it fairly entertaining that some people are still using the in-game browser to find games. The in-game browser is a POS. However, I kind of doubt that STEAM will be better than the current alternatives we have (ACE or Shortcuts, among others). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> you had to have "-console" in the command line, and "+connect 127.0.0.1," and as a matter of fact i used and loved that method...
except for the times (80%) when the server was full and it just plopped me to a console informing me, leading me to install HLSW,
and as you said, the in game browser was nothing more than laughable, leavine me no other choice but to get ASE..
Steam is alliwng us to sort by ping, country, etc, making it nearly as powerful as ASE, and has the auto join feature of HLSW, all in one package, along with friends and chess and what not, god thats cool
I use the ingame browser. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
If it was purely a server browser then yes, it'd have the potential to be cool if it wasn't full of ads, a tremendous resource hog and buggy. As it happens, it's not purely a server browser, if you haven't noticed it's REQUIRED to play halflife, it'll be REQUIRED to download new patches and such. These things have such laughable implications it's unreal.
cragz you brought up interesting and vaild points (much unlike abs), i'm not such a moronic 'fanboy' that i would dispose of them with a wise **** joke...
and right now im so bored while i wait for friking steam to download hl/cs, i actually have the time to read and respond to each post...
as for steam being "full of ads", i've only seen it in the monitor section, lets be honest, how often are you going to be staring at the monitor section when loading steam to find/launch a game? this is a widely pushed arugment its validity is next to nill...
im looking at it in my task manager right now, it has a memory footstamp of abput 25MB, which in these days of 512-1gigs of ram being standard is hardly a "tremendous resource hog"...
as for the 'OMG I HAVE TO GET ALL THE LATEST BUG FIXEZ WZTF,' i guess thats an honest bout of personal opinion. i, personally, take some kind of comfort i knowing i'm always connected to a network that keeps me constantly up to date, but i can understand the dillema it presents to 56kers and others who just dont want it...
oh wait, no i dont.. by default it is set to "do not allow automatic updates," it's merely an option, an update and enhancement if you ask me. if you dont like this enhancement, then disable it, and continue waiting in line at fileplanet.
There are ads when launching games and/or updating particular areas of games, I haven't just noticed them in the monitor <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Valve have said they won't be distributing patches via traditional methods any longer, meaning I won't be able to (far from waiting in line at fileplanet), stream them from local mirrors at my maximum download speed, but I'll be leaving my PC on overnight as I wait for even a small couple of hundred meg patch.
I'm all for the way Steam sets out to do things, a server browser with the power of ASE that authenticates you and sets you up with the latest patches would be a wonderful thing, but I'm not sure the internet's ready for even a good version of this, let alone the poor effort Valve have pumped out.
<!--QuoteBegin--absentic+Sep 12 2003, 06:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (absentic @ Sep 12 2003, 06:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Didn't think so. IF IT WORKS, DO NOT FIX IT. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The nuke in the NS betas worked. Why'd they fix that :/?
I wouldn't worry about it too much... it's human nature to resist change.
<!--QuoteBegin--JimBowen+Sep 12 2003, 07:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JimBowen @ Sep 12 2003, 07:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Jabba The Hunt+Sep 12 2003, 07:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jabba The Hunt @ Sep 12 2003, 07:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I agree with the guy who started this thread, steam is good, they just need to fix a few things. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The ideas behind steam are great, If they get it working it will be a great tool for the halflife community. But to go through the beta test and come up to the release without removing all the main bugs is very worrying <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I completely agree. I participated in the beta test. I was expecting SO much more. I'm sorry, despite your arguement's, topic-starter, Steam 1.0 is absolute crap. The beta was great. I loved it, almost everything worked. But its rediculous how I couldn't just update my beta to Steam 1.0, keep my original half life i downloaded for beta, and download the very few updates. At LEAST they could have released it stable. And if they didn't, they should have provided some sort of FAQ or forums. But no, they didn't. The downloads are sub-56k even with my cable isp.
Sorry man, I dunno if you participated in the Beta 1.0 and the 2.0 as I did, but those are godly compared to this peice of crap we were given.
<!--QuoteBegin--ThE HeRo+Sep 12 2003, 09:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ThE HeRo @ Sep 12 2003, 09:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--JimBowen+Sep 12 2003, 07:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JimBowen @ Sep 12 2003, 07:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Jabba The Hunt+Sep 12 2003, 07:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jabba The Hunt @ Sep 12 2003, 07:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I agree with the guy who started this thread, steam is good, they just need to fix a few things. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The ideas behind steam are great, If they get it working it will be a great tool for the halflife community. But to go through the beta test and come up to the release without removing all the main bugs is very worrying <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I completely agree. I participated in the beta test. I was expecting SO much more. I'm sorry, despite your arguement's, topic-starter, Steam 1.0 is absolute crap. The beta was great. I loved it, almost everything worked. But its rediculous how I couldn't just update my beta to Steam 1.0, keep my original half life i downloaded for beta, and download the very few updates. At LEAST they could have released it stable. And if they didn't, they should have provided some sort of FAQ or forums. But no, they didn't. The downloads are sub-56k even with my cable isp.
Sorry man, I dunno if you participated in the Beta 1.0 and the 2.0 as I did, but those are godly compared to this peice of crap we were given. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> hero this is my entire point.
the thing was just released, consdier how many people are clogging the network right now.
this is a temporary, momentary instance of defect, and after the smoke settles from the explosion of the 1000's of users connecting to the steam system at once, steam will be just as good as you're saying it was.
it just needs to settle. this doesnt mean it is utter crap, the worst piece of software ever created ever OMG, etc etc
it's just enduring the hardest part of any software relase of its type. let it settle, GIVE IT A CHANCE, and when the s$it which has already hit the fan is cleaned up, steam will be an invaluable update that NO ONE will regret.
This, beyond all, must prove me to be truly a masochist. I'll only <b>branch</b> this conversation out so far as a couple twigs, and then you all can ignore me and continue on with your slagfest!
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[...W]hich in these days of 512-1gigs of ram being standard is hardly a "tremendous resource hog"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm sorry, but while I guess I don't have the right to be offended by this, I can't help but shake my head at how double-edged over-encumbering software -- no matter how good it is -- can be. Clydesdale hardware allows software developers to code wicked programs without having to worry so much about the constraints of hardware, which in turns pushes hardware to become better so that it can run the software. But come on: Just because we can make a desk five miles wide, does it mean we should draw that large whether or not we actually have one, whether or not we need a drawing that large?
Tell me this: do you think something like, say, Steam needs to have a footprint of 25 MB? What justifies it? Laziness is not a justification: it's a cause. What does Steam *do* that warrents a footprint of that size? Do you think it couldn't be any smaller -- or shouldn't be smaller -- and if so why not? Do you think it would be bad business practice for a company, such as Valve, to optimize their code such that they make it as light and fleety as possible without sacrificing what was originally expected of the program? Yes, that would require effort which costs money, so I am not expecting them to be zealots about such a philosophy.
Indeed, I'm not expecting anyone to consider such a philosophy at all. I would hope that Flayra and company subscribe to it to some point, and that all companies do the same, but I don't expect them to, because it's their teams and they run them how they like. But as far as I'm concerned -- the consumer with frugal hardware -- I wish and hope that they remember their ancestors. While we will eventually die out except for the old spectres that keep tiny, low-power servers to perform simple tasks that do not require monster 4 GHz processors with a gig of RAM but nonetheless do what is needed -- while we may die out, we'll be around a while yet. So why forget us and write slipshod code that could be so much faster and available to a wider range of peoples? Some of us would like to be customers too.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The nuke in the NS betas worked. Why'd they fix that :/?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Assuming that it was entirely bug-free, they couldn't balance it -- which means it didn't work, silly. :)
Oh, and Axehilt: I wish to in some manner carry on your genetic progeny. o.o
<!--QuoteBegin--kann_nix+Sep 12 2003, 09:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kann_nix @ Sep 12 2003, 09:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> hero this is my entire point.
the thing was just released, consdier how many people are clogging the network right now.
this is a temporary, momentary instance of defect, and after the smoke settles from the explosion of the 1000's of users connecting to the steam system at once, steam will be just as good as you're saying it was.
it just needs to settle. this doesnt mean it is utter crap, the worst piece of software ever created ever OMG, etc etc
it's just enduring the hardest part of any software relase of its type. let it settle, GIVE IT A CHANCE, and when the s$it which has already hit the fan is cleaned up, steam will be an invaluable update that NO ONE will regret. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> But my point is: The Beta program's THEMSELVES were STABLE. They didn't crash frequently. Like my 1.0 does. Steam 2.0 was 50 times more stable at its release, and it had the same problems as you stated: not enough bandwidth, 1000's of users connecting to it, etc. etc. But at least it was stable.
i find it hard to believe the near 90% of the communtiy that are now trying to get steam to work were all there at the door when beta was released...
if that was somehow the case, though, there is no excuse, this is, no matter what anyone says, a poor release, and has obviously discouraged many, and is now 'cool to hate'
to say these features will remain throughout the duration of steam's existance is ridiculous, they WILL be fixed, and what steam has presented are unarguably fixes and enhancements
just bear with the hard times, in the end there cant be any doubt that this update will only enhance the end user experience and make server finding and joining more pleasurable, and fix many of the HL crashes (alt+tab) that have persisted for years
I dunno. I'll just use Gamespy until it stops working, and then I'll use something else. I just want to play a game, I don't care how I connect to it. Therefore, this thread is kind of meaningless to me.
<!--QuoteBegin--monkeymaster+Sep 12 2003, 09:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (monkeymaster @ Sep 12 2003, 09:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> who ever made this thread is a complete and utter ****.
why waste ppls time with another stoopid steam thread. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> yeah lets make another poll or hate-thread, that would be a much less <b>stoopid</b> idea and would be a much better use of <b>pplz</b> time
I am an avid defender of Steam. Other than the fact that I can't play NS at the moment ( a biggy ), Steam has not had one issue. It has not crashed, froze, or anything else.
It is doing what it was meant to do - update the HL engine enough to be useable for a few more years. It takes all the disadvantages away from HL and adds many new advantages. Sure - it's going to be buggy ( which I haven't experienced myself ), but what program isn't?
Think of it this way. If in 3 months valve announced that it would stop supporting HL you guys would freak out. So what did they do? They made it so that HL and HL2 can function together and thus keep HL relavent.
As far as downloads go, yeah it's slow - think of the 6 million people that have played CS. They're all going "omg hax 1.6 WTHux steam sux... let me get it."
Give it some time - good things come to those who wait. Our impatience as a species is just going to get us in trouble. Steam is here to stay and no matter how much you whine and complain you can't do anything about it. So instead of searching for reasons to put it down, I suggest you start looking for reasons why you like it. That or just stop playing Valve games altogether.
<!--QuoteBegin--Diskord+Sep 12 2003, 10:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Diskord @ Sep 12 2003, 10:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I am an avid defender of Steam. Other than the fact that I can't play NS at the moment ( a biggy ), Steam has not had one issue. It has not crashed, froze, or anything else.
It is doing what it was meant to do - update the HL engine enough to be useable for a few more years. It takes all the disadvantages away from HL and adds many new advantages. Sure - it's going to be buggy ( which I haven't experienced myself ), but what program isn't?
Think of it this way. If in 3 months valve announced that it would stop supporting HL you guys would freak out. So what did they do? They made it so that HL and HL2 can function together and thus keep HL revelant.
As far as downloads go, yeah it's slow - think of the 6 million people that have played CS. They're all going "omg hax 1.6 WTHux steam sux... let me get it."
Give it some time - good things come to those who wait. Our impatience as a species is just going to get us in trouble. Steam is here to stay and no matter how much you whine and complain you can't do anything about it. So instead of searching for reasons to put it down, I suggest you start looking for reasons why you like it. That or just stop playing Valve games altogether.
BTW: My steam ID owns you [ 4344 ] <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> whoah... someone with a clue... don't see them too often
Steam only crashes if it can't get a connection to any of the content servers.
...nuff said.
Though mine hasn't crashed.
Oh btw you only have to download those large files once (if you don't convert your old files). Only thing i'm wondering now is why i told steam to convert NS, TS, and other mods to steam, yet it doesn't show up in the "games" menu, yet is in my steam cache folder.
I wish they hadn't taken down the forums to save bandwidthm but what are ya gonna do :S
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What do you think of Steam?
It's great! I like it. 21%
ARGH! It's crap!! 49%
I haven't tried it or don't know what it is. 29%<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
lol any other words needed.
Still, since most users are very <b>un-</b>hardcore, STEAM makes sense. As long as the UI is responsive and well designed, it'll improve the user's experience. That's the catch though, it has to be at least as responsive as the current system (and with my shortcut launching directly to my favorite server, that's a pretty tall order).
I find it fairly entertaining that some people are still using the in-game browser to find games. The in-game browser is a POS. However, I kind of doubt that STEAM will be better than the current alternatives we have (ACE or Shortcuts, among others).
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you had to have "-console" in the command line, and "+connect 127.0.0.1," and as a matter of fact i used and loved that method...
except for the times (80%) when the server was full and it just plopped me to a console informing me, leading me to install HLSW,
and as you said, the in game browser was nothing more than laughable, leavine me no other choice but to get ASE..
Steam is alliwng us to sort by ping, country, etc, making it nearly as powerful as ASE, and has the auto join feature of HLSW, all in one package, along with friends and chess and what not, god thats cool
If it was purely a server browser then yes, it'd have the potential to be cool if it wasn't full of ads, a tremendous resource hog and buggy. As it happens, it's not purely a server browser, if you haven't noticed it's REQUIRED to play halflife, it'll be REQUIRED to download new patches and such. These things have such laughable implications it's unreal.
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<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hugs anyone?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<o/ yus
and right now im so bored while i wait for friking steam to download hl/cs, i actually have the time to read and respond to each post...
as for steam being "full of ads", i've only seen it in the monitor section, lets be honest, how often are you going to be staring at the monitor section when loading steam to find/launch a game? this is a widely pushed arugment its validity is next to nill...
im looking at it in my task manager right now, it has a memory footstamp of abput 25MB, which in these days of 512-1gigs of ram being standard is hardly a "tremendous resource hog"...
as for the 'OMG I HAVE TO GET ALL THE LATEST BUG FIXEZ WZTF,' i guess thats an honest bout of personal opinion. i, personally, take some kind of comfort i knowing i'm always connected to a network that keeps me constantly up to date, but i can understand the dillema it presents to 56kers and others who just dont want it...
oh wait, no i dont.. by default it is set to "do not allow automatic updates," it's merely an option, an update and enhancement if you ask me. if you dont like this enhancement, then disable it, and continue waiting in line at fileplanet.
Valve have said they won't be distributing patches via traditional methods any longer, meaning I won't be able to (far from waiting in line at fileplanet), stream them from local mirrors at my maximum download speed, but I'll be leaving my PC on overnight as I wait for even a small couple of hundred meg patch.
I'm all for the way Steam sets out to do things, a server browser with the power of ASE that authenticates you and sets you up with the latest patches would be a wonderful thing, but I'm not sure the internet's ready for even a good version of this, let alone the poor effort Valve have pumped out.
The nuke in the NS betas worked. Why'd they fix that :/?
I wouldn't worry about it too much... it's human nature to resist change.
The ideas behind steam are great, If they get it working it will be a great tool for the halflife community. But to go through the beta test and come up to the release without removing all the main bugs is very worrying <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I completely agree. I participated in the beta test. I was expecting SO much more. I'm sorry, despite your arguement's, topic-starter, Steam 1.0 is absolute crap. The beta was great. I loved it, almost everything worked. But its rediculous how I couldn't just update my beta to Steam 1.0, keep my original half life i downloaded for beta, and download the very few updates. At LEAST they could have released it stable. And if they didn't, they should have provided some sort of FAQ or forums. But no, they didn't. The downloads are sub-56k even with my cable isp.
Sorry man, I dunno if you participated in the Beta 1.0 and the 2.0 as I did, but those are godly compared to this peice of crap we were given.
The ideas behind steam are great, If they get it working it will be a great tool for the halflife community. But to go through the beta test and come up to the release without removing all the main bugs is very worrying <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I completely agree. I participated in the beta test. I was expecting SO much more. I'm sorry, despite your arguement's, topic-starter, Steam 1.0 is absolute crap. The beta was great. I loved it, almost everything worked. But its rediculous how I couldn't just update my beta to Steam 1.0, keep my original half life i downloaded for beta, and download the very few updates. At LEAST they could have released it stable. And if they didn't, they should have provided some sort of FAQ or forums. But no, they didn't. The downloads are sub-56k even with my cable isp.
Sorry man, I dunno if you participated in the Beta 1.0 and the 2.0 as I did, but those are godly compared to this peice of crap we were given. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
hero this is my entire point.
the thing was just released, consdier how many people are clogging the network right now.
this is a temporary, momentary instance of defect, and after the smoke settles from the
explosion of the 1000's of users connecting to the steam system at once, steam will be just
as good as you're saying it was.
it just needs to settle. this doesnt mean it is utter crap, the worst piece of software ever created
ever OMG, etc etc
it's just enduring the hardest part of any software relase of its type. let it settle, GIVE IT A CHANCE,
and when the s$it which has already hit the fan is cleaned up, steam will be an invaluable update
that NO ONE will regret.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[...W]hich in these days of 512-1gigs of ram being standard is hardly a "tremendous resource hog"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm sorry, but while I guess I don't have the right to be offended by this, I can't help but shake my head at how double-edged over-encumbering software -- no matter how good it is -- can be. Clydesdale hardware allows software developers to code wicked programs without having to worry so much about the constraints of hardware, which in turns pushes hardware to become better so that it can run the software. But come on: Just because we can make a desk five miles wide, does it mean we should draw that large whether or not we actually have one, whether or not we need a drawing that large?
Tell me this: do you think something like, say, Steam needs to have a footprint of 25 MB? What justifies it? Laziness is not a justification: it's a cause. What does Steam *do* that warrents a footprint of that size? Do you think it couldn't be any smaller -- or shouldn't be smaller -- and if so why not? Do you think it would be bad business practice for a company, such as Valve, to optimize their code such that they make it as light and fleety as possible without sacrificing what was originally expected of the program? Yes, that would require effort which costs money, so I am not expecting them to be zealots about such a philosophy.
Indeed, I'm not expecting anyone to consider such a philosophy at all. I would hope that Flayra and company subscribe to it to some point, and that all companies do the same, but I don't expect them to, because it's their teams and they run them how they like. But as far as I'm concerned -- the consumer with frugal hardware -- I wish and hope that they remember their ancestors. While we will eventually die out except for the old spectres that keep tiny, low-power servers to perform simple tasks that do not require monster 4 GHz processors with a gig of RAM but nonetheless do what is needed -- while we may die out, we'll be around a while yet. So why forget us and write slipshod code that could be so much faster and available to a wider range of peoples? Some of us would like to be customers too.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The nuke in the NS betas worked. Why'd they fix that :/?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Assuming that it was entirely bug-free, they couldn't balance it -- which means it didn't work, silly. :)
Oh, and Axehilt: I wish to in some manner carry on your genetic progeny. o.o
hero this is my entire point.
the thing was just released, consdier how many people are clogging the network right now.
this is a temporary, momentary instance of defect, and after the smoke settles from the
explosion of the 1000's of users connecting to the steam system at once, steam will be just
as good as you're saying it was.
it just needs to settle. this doesnt mean it is utter crap, the worst piece of software ever created
ever OMG, etc etc
it's just enduring the hardest part of any software relase of its type. let it settle, GIVE IT A CHANCE,
and when the s$it which has already hit the fan is cleaned up, steam will be an invaluable update
that NO ONE will regret. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
But my point is: The Beta program's THEMSELVES were STABLE. They didn't crash frequently. Like my 1.0 does. Steam 2.0 was 50 times more stable at its release, and it had the same problems as you stated: not enough bandwidth, 1000's of users connecting to it, etc. etc. But at least it was stable.
if that was somehow the case, though, there is no excuse, this is, no matter what anyone says, a poor release, and has obviously discouraged many, and is now 'cool to hate'
to say these features will remain throughout the duration of steam's existance is ridiculous, they WILL be fixed, and what steam has presented are unarguably fixes and enhancements
just bear with the hard times, in the end there cant be any doubt that this update will only enhance the end user experience and make server finding and joining more pleasurable, and fix many of the HL crashes (alt+tab) that have persisted for years
Nice flamewar, though. Keep up the good work.
why waste ppls time with another stoopid steam thread.
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yeah lets make another poll or hate-thread, that would be a much less <b>stoopid</b> idea and would be a much better use of <b>pplz</b> time
It is doing what it was meant to do - update the HL engine enough to be useable for a few more years. It takes all the disadvantages away from HL and adds many new advantages. Sure - it's going to be buggy ( which I haven't experienced myself ), but what program isn't?
Think of it this way. If in 3 months valve announced that it would stop supporting HL you guys would freak out. So what did they do? They made it so that HL and HL2 can function together and thus keep HL relavent.
As far as downloads go, yeah it's slow - think of the 6 million people that have played CS. They're all going "omg hax 1.6 WTHux steam sux... let me get it."
Give it some time - good things come to those who wait. Our impatience as a species is just going to get us in trouble. Steam is here to stay and no matter how much you whine and complain you can't do anything about it. So instead of searching for reasons to put it down, I suggest you start looking for reasons why you like it. That or just stop playing Valve games altogether.
BTW: My steam ID owns you [ 4344 ]
It is doing what it was meant to do - update the HL engine enough to be useable for a few more years. It takes all the disadvantages away from HL and adds many new advantages. Sure - it's going to be buggy ( which I haven't experienced myself ), but what program isn't?
Think of it this way. If in 3 months valve announced that it would stop supporting HL you guys would freak out. So what did they do? They made it so that HL and HL2 can function together and thus keep HL revelant.
As far as downloads go, yeah it's slow - think of the 6 million people that have played CS. They're all going "omg hax 1.6 WTHux steam sux... let me get it."
Give it some time - good things come to those who wait. Our impatience as a species is just going to get us in trouble. Steam is here to stay and no matter how much you whine and complain you can't do anything about it. So instead of searching for reasons to put it down, I suggest you start looking for reasons why you like it. That or just stop playing Valve games altogether.
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whoah... someone with a clue... don't see them too often
...nuff said.
Though mine hasn't crashed.
Oh btw you only have to download those large files once (if you don't convert your old files). Only thing i'm wondering now is why i told steam to convert NS, TS, and other mods to steam, yet it doesn't show up in the "games" menu, yet is in my steam cache folder.
I wish they hadn't taken down the forums to save bandwidthm but what are ya gonna do :S