Do You Believe In A Thing
kida
Join Date: 2003-02-20 Member: 13778Members
Join Date: 2003-02-20 Member: 13778Members
<div class="IPBDescription">called destiny?</div> Is it possible that our lives are predetermined by a "course of events considered as something beyond human power or control?" That some of us here are destined to be great, or killers?
A part of me wants to believe in it and another part of me doesn't. Sometimes I like to feel that I am in control of my life, that my actions effect me in the long run, but then again, if there is a God, do our lives have ulterior meaning? The apostle Paul said that Christians were predestined to be Christians, that God by his grace and power would use us in the life ahead of us. Now to say that God chooses people to be Christians may sound pretty far fetched, then again, what doesn't these days?
Would it sound unbelievable for people leading terrible lives, suddenly turn their life around? A lot of great people known for their goodness were people who grew up in terrible homes.
As for me, I somewhat believe in it; the true meaning often gets confused in my head. There are cases in my life, where I can no longer explain with logic other than that "fate" caused it to happen.
There is a common saying that people believe in fate, because they don't know how to answer the unexplainable.
A part of me wants to believe in it and another part of me doesn't. Sometimes I like to feel that I am in control of my life, that my actions effect me in the long run, but then again, if there is a God, do our lives have ulterior meaning? The apostle Paul said that Christians were predestined to be Christians, that God by his grace and power would use us in the life ahead of us. Now to say that God chooses people to be Christians may sound pretty far fetched, then again, what doesn't these days?
Would it sound unbelievable for people leading terrible lives, suddenly turn their life around? A lot of great people known for their goodness were people who grew up in terrible homes.
As for me, I somewhat believe in it; the true meaning often gets confused in my head. There are cases in my life, where I can no longer explain with logic other than that "fate" caused it to happen.
There is a common saying that people believe in fate, because they don't know how to answer the unexplainable.
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But this lack of pre-<i>determination</i> doesn't mean our lives aren't pre-<i>destined</i>, in so far that God, being omniscient, knows that we will arrive at a particular conclusion before we do. He "saw" it, but he didn't have his "hands" in it.
God is like a teacher and we are students. So God comes into the classroom and says "Okay I'm going to set a test at the end of this semester. Its going to be really hard and you are definately going to need my help to pass. Now I know already who is going to pass and who is going to fail, but if you fail it will be because you didnt let me help you study."
The choice is theirs, even if God knows whose going to pass and whose going to fail.
What you call fate might simply be God's plan. Some things are meant to happen, and God makes sure that they do.
My cousin is like a brother to me. I'm and only child, so it is nice to have someone to look up to. My cousin works for the Wall Street Journal. When I came home from school on 9/11/01 I was scared for him. But, as I realized it, he was not in work that fateful day. Had he been in work, he would have been killed. Had he been killed, he would not be getting married like he is this coming April. So yes, I do believe in fate.
There is this theory in physics which states that everything is based on probability, but I have an idea which conntradicts this theory.
As everyone knows, time cannot be changed. What happened in the past can not be changed, or eles a pradox would occur. Now, who says we are not living in the past? If we believe that the future has not yet occured, than all those movies about time travel would be wrong, since traveling to the future would be impossible. Ergo, we are ment to do what we will do and what we did in the past, or else there would be no future. For me, time is like a ring, there is no start or end, and therefore, destiny will always occur.
This might be kind of confusing, since I am not the best person to explain thoughts and ideas.
I think everyone is free to decide the way he/she wants to live.
You are free to do whatever you want.
BUT there are some things, that just HAVE to happen and WILL happen.
Just imagine a house with big rooms.
You are free to move in those room at will.
But if you go to the next room, you have to use a door... this would be something like a "fade node".
This belive is not really a religious one... it's more based on the observation that some things seem to happen from time to time... "history repeats" so to say.
This can be used on single persons or to whole countries.
If I had a girlfriend for example I would not consider it fate... like "we were meant to meet here, we were meant to fall in love, we were meant to get old together" or stuff like that.
In my belive it would be more like "hey, you remember the fateful day we first met ?".
It's like small nodes in a infinite large net of possibilities... maybe there is some power that leads you to certain nodes, but what we make of those chances is up to us.
I'm sorry... the only way to describe this belive of mine is to use such pictures... I hope I could explain it to you anyway.
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yes, we make our own decisions about everything.
but yes, it's possible that some omnipotence can manipulate our lives.
but.... we can't be sure.
that's the point, we can't be sure. there's no way we can know whether or not we're being controlled, so it isn't really an issue until we can confirm it.
Is it planned? Is someone watching me, dictating <i>everything</i> I do. Maybe destiny calls for me to sleep so I resist but it's also called for that. It just drives me crazy sometimes. It feels like no matter what I do it's already been predetermined, that it's what will happen and there's nothing I can do to change it. I think "No I'm not gonna do that if it feels like that's what destiny wants." But then I get the feeling that my destiny was for me to change my mind.
I don't really believe in that stuff about everything being planned out; every decision we make being already made. I think we make our own decisions and that everything we do is orignal, not pre-planned. But I can't keep that annoying though from entering my head, that "What if?"
I guess you have to make your own decisions on this matter, really nothing can prove or disprove destiny. Of course those decisions might have already been made....
It's that, after thinking about it for a long time, you come to the conclusion that there is no thing as desteny... and some "power" has already decided for you to don't belive in desteny <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
If there is no desteny, you are right.
If there is desteny, it's not important what you belive...
Still I just belive in "fateful events" but not desteny.
God is like a teacher and we are students. So God comes into the classroom and says "Okay I'm going to set a test at the end of this semester. Its going to be really hard and you are definately going to need my help to pass. Now I know already who is going to pass and who is going to fail, but if you fail it will be because you didnt let me help you study."
The choice is theirs, even if God knows whose going to pass and whose going to fail.
What you call fate might simply be God's plan. Some things are meant to happen, and God makes sure that they do. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What if the student dosen't need to study?
I dont believe in fate or destiny, i believe i think for myself. all my decisions are made by myself, i could just have easily decided to go swimming instead of rock climbing. I also believe that God know what i will do in any given circumstance, my actions have been known since the dawn of time. I do not beileve that this destroys my ability to make a choice. choice is not an illusion, its a fact. Just because God knows your every move doesnt mean that you dont have a choice
ie, every single route that the universe could have taken since the beginning can and will happen. Everything may be predetermined, but it would not look that way to those of us who seem to have Choice.
The crucial point my argument lies upon is: how infinite is your universe?
However, we all have "potential" that we can choose to fulfill or not. How's that sound?
i dont think the future is destined to happen. as humans we have an ability to predict the future, often quite accuratly, and if we can see whats 'suppost to happen' we can change it.
of course if you want to say, what if the thing you changed to was the real destiny, you kinda spoil my theory.
besides, pretending we dont have a choise takes away from the fun of life.
God is like a teacher and we are students. So God comes into the classroom and says "Okay I'm going to set a test at the end of this semester. Its going to be really hard and you are definately going to need my help to pass. Now I know already who is going to pass and who is going to fail, but if you fail it will be because you didnt let me help you study."
The choice is theirs, even if God knows whose going to pass and whose going to fail.
What you call fate might simply be God's plan. Some things are meant to happen, and God makes sure that they do. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What if the student dosen't need to study? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, if the student doesnt need to study, then he's fine. However, you must realise what I'm making a poor attempt at paralleling here. On the other side of the parallel, if the student doesnt need to study, then he has never sinned. Never dont anything wrong. And if you have managed that, then you dont need Gods help at all.