Res Whoring

eSsIxeSsIx Join Date: 2003-09-01 Member: 20472Members
<div class="IPBDescription">why so mad?</div> lmao..i got banned from a server cause i saved my res and went onos..(may i add that we had three hives and almost all res)..they said i was res whoring....so any of u get banned for retarded reasons to...plz post and have a good laff
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  • homerxhomerx Join Date: 2003-04-01 Member: 15094Members
    Back in 1.0x, there was this server that bans people for using mines as an offensive weapon <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • eSsIxeSsIx Join Date: 2003-09-01 Member: 20472Members
  • RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
    Well let me put it to you this way: did you ask or tell your team before onosing? In the early game, did you say to your team "Is it ok if I save for onos guys?". Alien teams can and do suffer when one or more people save for an onos instead of putting up hives and chambers. If your team says "Ok sure, we got another guy saving for hive two and we have 3 chambers up and plenty of RTs" then go for your life. But if they say "We really need some more RTs" or "Could you put some chambers up instead?" or "We'd prefer a hive instead" then you shouldn't put yourself ahead of the team. You havn't given us the whole story: yes you had 3 hives but did you have 3 of each chamber? Were crucial choke points on the map blocked off? Were your hives fortified?

    Just remember to always work as part of a team. 100 res is a lot to play around with, and if the team wants a hive, some chambers or some fortifications, the team must come first.
  • DeepShadowsDeepShadows Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13408Members, Constellation
    edited September 2003
    I got slapped a few times for telling the admin he had beautiful eyes... and making alien love to him from ontop *we were both gorges.* I think he just did it to let me know who was whose beech.
  • MagiTekMagiTek Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5057Members
    Hoarding only becomes a problem when the team needs res to be spent on Hives/RTs/Upgrades. Your circumstances certainly don't seem to fall under that category. I dunno, some admins are just dumb.
  • SuBSuB AusNS Forum Admin Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13723Members
    Doesn't seem like you're telling us the whole story to be honest...
  • TyphonTyphon Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 1899Members
    Question: Did you already have 3 hives and chambers when you <i>started</i> saving, or were you saving through crucial parts of the game and only went onos once the rest of your team had already made all the infrastructure?
  • PseudoKnightPseudoKnight Join Date: 2002-06-18 Member: 791Members
    On pub games I don't think it's necessary to ask permission for every action. Saving for Onos isn't a useless strategy. Early Onos can offer many great things to a team that doesn't ban them. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • ZERGZERG Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13132Members, Constellation
    Usually, if you're team is losing and you are NO WHERE near 100 res you need to stop saving and plop down some needed structures. If there are no upgrade chambers drop them. If you are low on RTs drop some rts. You need to know what is necessary and what is the better. Usually, if you have 70-80 res it might not hurt to have an onos instead of 8 OCs.
  • RueRue Join Date: 2002-10-21 Member: 1564Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Ryo-Ohki+Sep 15 2003, 07:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryo-Ohki @ Sep 15 2003, 07:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Just remember to always work as part of a team. 100 res is a lot to play around with, and if the team wants a hive, some chambers or some fortifications, the team must come first. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Ryo-Ohki is right tho , the fact is that alines still need some degree to team work to win games and an extra res node at the start of the game helps alot for the whole team or getting MC's or DC's faster.

    i wouldnt ever ban some1 for doing it but i wouldnt ever do it my self.
  • SoulSkorpionSoulSkorpion Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 423Members
    OP, if you were saving up your res to go onos from the start and weren't spending any of it on dropping chambers for your team you're considered selfish. That's res-whoring. I probably would have kicked you too, if it was my call.
  • LegatLegat Join Date: 2003-07-02 Member: 17868Members
    Yes. since 2.0 I end up being gorge in virtually any game because everybody else exept of 2 other volunteers suffer to do what is nessesary.
    I stopped counting the games I lost as Khaara because of a team consitsing of reswhores.
    It ruins the day really. I can count the games within the last two month where I actually attacked marines in another way than bilebomb their farms on my fingers without exaggerating.
    Rigth now I almost quit playing Khaara because of this. It sucks big time.
    What is so difficult in swarming out, search a nozzle, go gorge drop the damn resnode and go skulk again to hunt or defend?
    Its so simle to win as Alien team, if just half of the team would capture a resnode.
  • RoCkIn_RiCkYRoCkIn_RiCkY Join Date: 2003-08-28 Member: 20306Members
    I don't expect to tell anyone if I'm going Onos or not. Public servers are usually bereft of teamwork anyway, so I don't see why I should have to ask permission. There's so many times when there's only one or two gorges, whilst the rest of the team shout "GET THE HIVE UP!!!!!!!!", "WE NEED MORE RES TOWERS!!!!!" I learn to ignore it and play the game the way I choose unless I have a few organised team mates..
  • tankefugltankefugl One Script To Rule Them All... Trondheim, Norway Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8641Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    edited September 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--RoCkIn RiCkY+Sep 15 2003, 06:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RoCkIn RiCkY @ Sep 15 2003, 06:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't expect to tell anyone if I'm going Onos or not. Public servers are usually bereft of teamwork anyway, so I don't see why I should have to ask permission. There's so many times when there's only one or two gorges, whilst the rest of the team shout "GET THE HIVE UP!!!!!!!!", "WE NEED MORE RES TOWERS!!!!!" I learn to ignore it and play the game the way I choose unless I have a few organised team mates.. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Talking and saying what you are doing is the first great step towards teamwork. Even if noone else does this, I always say what I am doing. Saving for hive, saving for another life form, dropping dcs, hunting marine resource towers, and so on.

    If the game isn't organized -- organize it, or at least try.

    ----

    And another thing: The worst thing the marine team can face is Onos. Most of the time on pub servers, anyway. When commanding, that is my long term goal: Prevent onos from happening. On the other side, I love it when I suddenly see one of the players going onos. Hopefully a good one, but it's great anyway. It is not lame to save for an onos if your team needs it.

    However, judging what is most needed, that 3rd hive when the 2nd one is going down from siege, or onos to take out the siege? Tough call.
  • MajinMajin Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16829Members, Constellation
    some servers being that leader is all it takes to win.
    Stepping up and saying!
    "YOU SAVE, YOU DEFEND HIM, YOU COME WITH ME"
    Can turn a group of unorganized clowns into a hard core team.
    This case I feel the poster is leaving out some information.
    The only time you should give up being a ONOS is when it helps the team... which is most times!

    Ppl never consider how 8 OCs in a key location can bring in the res for someone who wants to go Onos.
  • MadcapMagicianMadcapMagician Join Date: 2003-04-07 Member: 15265Members, Constellation
    We lost a game last night soley because noone saved for onos. Ended up playing a defensive game from the start. Their base in eclipse hive would have been easily beatable by an onos but everyone used their res to try to help the team and we ended up losing to a sudden sg/jp rush on both our hives when we were all gorges.
  • StoatBringerStoatBringer Join Date: 2003-06-09 Member: 17144Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->i got banned from a server cause i saved my res and went onos..(may i add that we had three hives and almost all res)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Well, with three hives and lots of RTs that should never be a problem. It's people who save for fade/onos on the first hive that need a swift punch in the neck.
  • SlayerOfSkulksSlayerOfSkulks Join Date: 2003-06-23 Member: 17634Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--SoulSkorpion+Sep 15 2003, 10:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SoulSkorpion @ Sep 15 2003, 10:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OP, if you were saving up your res to go onos from the start and weren't spending any of it on dropping chambers for your team you're considered selfish. That's res-whoring. I probably would have kicked you too, if it was my call. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Statements like this really bug me... you'd kick someone because they don't play the game the way you want them to?

    I mean, using exploits, team-killing, deliberately wasting res, or any other game-ruining factors are one thing. But it's quite another to be playing the game the way you want, and get kicked because an admin doesn't like it. Sure, it's by far not the best tactic, and can lose the game in certain circumstances, but the same can be said for many many situations. What's next? Banning the marine comm because he doesn't relocate to the place the admin prefers on a certain map? Kicking the gorge because he *gasp* placed sensory first? Reporting a welder who stays back to save the base instead of following the HA train? This is a slippery slope, IMO, and shouldn't be encouraged.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't think doing things without telling the team should be encouraged either. When I play marine, I follow orders. When I play Kharaa, I'm generally the down-and-dirty Gorge getting the job done. But I wouldn't dream of punishing someone just because they don't do what I think they should... help them to see the wisdom in a different path, yes, but not strong-arming them for it.
  • RoCkIn_RiCkYRoCkIn_RiCkY Join Date: 2003-08-28 Member: 20306Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--slayer111+Sep 15 2003, 09:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (slayer111 @ Sep 15 2003, 09:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What's next? Banning the marine comm because he doesn't relocate to the place the admin prefers on a certain map? Kicking the gorge because he *gasp* placed sensory first? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Sigh, he NEVER said that.
  • MMZ_TorakMMZ_Torak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3770Members
    Engaging in n00b tatics like saving for onos without asking the team, dropping ANY upgrade chamber without asking the team or going onos with one hive and no upgrades are very good examples of non team players. I'd support kicking or banning for these kind of people. This is a team game people, not some single player game with bots. The team should always come first. Three oni with no upgrades and your starting RT isn't going to win the game for anyone, no matter how "leet" you think you are.
  • FirewaterFirewater Balance Expert Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10690Members, Constellation
    I think especially with RfK involved, the person who earned the res should do whatever they want with it. If they wanna save for onos, fine, just be aware of the surrondings. If the team needs another hive, you could put it up, or you can go onos because you earned the res that you currently have. There is no need to ban people for the way they want to play the game.
  • NecrosisNecrosis The Loquacious Sage Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18828Members, Constellation
    Teamwork doesn't exist on *some* pub servers precisely because noone communicates. On Lunixmonster, and pub servers with experienced players, you hear people saying what they're doing.

    The only people who don't talk...... are saving for onos, and would rather not announce their hoarding intentions. I mean, if someone found out they had 80 res and we needed a hive, they'd have to build it! And onos hoarders can't have that, can they.


    As for the "oh we got pweened because we didn't hoard" claim, the reason you got pweened was because the whole fricking team went gorge. COMMUNICATE. If you see 4 gorges, don't be the fifth. And let people know. Certainly on experienced servers we do have people calling out "ok do we need a hive or can i go fade" and generally the answer is "you a good fade? Then fade, I'm 5 res from hive anyway".

    Promoting teamplay works. And it means you know what everyone else is doing... thusly you know what YOU should be doing. If you want to hoard, find a server where the players don't mind. Sitting mutely while hoarding for onos will not make you any friends, and will more likely result in you making enemies. If you MUST hoard, clear it with the team first. It's polite, and it means they're not relying on you to pull your finger out and drop a hive.

    Bear in mind that the people going gorge for YOUR benefit will spend a lot, if not all, of their res, and when its time for second or third hive they rely on you to carry the torch.

    If you can't fit in with the team, then expect being ejected from servers or suffering a hail of abuse from your team.
  • BrazenBrazen Join Date: 2003-03-03 Member: 14250Members
    got banned once while playing on an english server that had three spanish talking guys on it....

    after asking them 5 times to plz speak english i said: "ffs you are on an ENGLISH server so SPEAK ENLGISH ****"

    got banned for swearing...
  • FiredragonFiredragon Join Date: 2003-07-16 Member: 18207Members, Constellation
    <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> In a way folks if you have a good alien team n stuff res whoring shouldn't be a prob.

    I am VERY good with onos and devour n gore 9 marines in about 5-6 minutes sometimes less.I get 100 res I go onos but I usually have regeneration or redemption and cloaking which works very well for me oh and celerity.

    Alittle bit of a strat I use effectively

    Redemption or regeneration- incase I am about to die go run off somewhere and heal.

    Movement- celerity for fast getaway while devouring


    Cloaking- for sneaking around staying cloaked while holding ctrl or E and hiding around a corner waiting for marine to come by then devour him hehe <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Yes sometimes I can catch jetpackers flying with devour something of which I am trying to master.
  • RoCkIn_RiCkYRoCkIn_RiCkY Join Date: 2003-08-28 Member: 20306Members
    That'll be the medpack.tk server.
  • MMZ_TorakMMZ_Torak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3770Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> In a way folks if you have a good alien team n stuff res whoring shouldn't be a prob.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    This is an oxymoron. Good alien teams don't have res whoring aliens.
  • TrevelyanTrevelyan Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14834Members
    "Kicking the gorge because he *gasp* placed sensory first? "

    That gives me an idea for a plugin that checks how many hives there are when a sensory is builts

    >3 hives = ban!
  • GeronimoGeronimo Join Date: 2002-12-18 Member: 11056Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Majin+Sep 15 2003, 08:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Majin @ Sep 15 2003, 08:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> some servers being that leader is all it takes to win.
    Stepping up and saying!
    "YOU SAVE, YOU DEFEND HIM, YOU COME WITH ME"
    Can turn a group of unorganized clowns into a hard core team.
    This case I feel the poster is leaving out some information.
    The only time you should give up being a ONOS is when it helps the team... which is most times!

    Ppl never consider how 8 OCs in a key location can bring in the res for someone who wants to go Onos. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    err...try that on your regualr server and youll end up kicked...
  • DukatDukat Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7748Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ppl never consider how 8 OCs in a key location can bring in the res for someone who wants to go Onos.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Ah yes, ye ol' super oc at choke points. Saw a guy do that then defend it with a super dc, never saw a marine squad fall so fast.

    And what bugs me most is when I'm gorge (almost every game I play as aliens) I get hollered at to drop more dcs/mcs/scs whatever, by skulks! If someone would just think for a second that I'm not getting the res I need to build a chamber and build it themselves they'd be a lot better off. It's not a waste of res to go gorge, drop a chamber and build it before returning to skulk. It helps the team out a lot. I actually threatened to not build a third mc if a guy didn't quit hollering at me for one, then the admin threatened to ban me.
  • GeronimoGeronimo Join Date: 2002-12-18 Member: 11056Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Trevelyan+Sep 15 2003, 11:07 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trevelyan @ Sep 15 2003, 11:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "Kicking the gorge because he *gasp* placed sensory first? "

    That gives me an idea for a plugin that checks how many hives there are when a sensory is builts

    >3 hives = ban! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I believe I am just as good with cloaking as with carpace or celerity...and I dont consider myself to be a noob..
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