I'm sure Gamespy was overhyping and overrating these games just so they can do this article. That's how these **** in Gamespy think.
DOOManiac, why did you put <b>Baldur's Gate</b> on your list? That game single-handedly revived the RPG genre. But, Badlur's Gate 2 started the demise of the RPG genre. What a horrible game that sequal was. "Lets just give them more but make it dumber!"
I have to agree that Final Fantasy 7/8/9/10 are overrated. A well produced piece of crap is still a piece of crap.
Also, they should have added Diablo 2. That game doesn't deserve the attention it got.
The only thing i have against Halo is the repetitive level design in some areas, and that <i><b>GOD AWFUL, EVIL</b></i> Library level, (which is basically 3 rooms copy and pasted 80 times, and more aliens than you can shake a warthog at.) Apart from that Halo has an awesome plot with plenty of twists, brilliant graphics, great A.I, and brilliant gameplay. If its going to be on the list at all, it should be on 25. I personally think it lives up to most of the hype it recieved, it surely isnt the BEST GAME EVER MADE, but it came close.
And why the hell isnt Max Payne on the list? the only saviour to this game is bullet time. Its fun, but its only <i>because</i> of bullet time. Once you realise this you learn that the game just doesnt deliver compared to how much hype it recieved.
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<!--QuoteBegin--supernorn2000+Sep 20 2003, 04:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (supernorn2000 @ Sep 20 2003, 04:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The only thing i have against Halo is the repetitive level design in some areas, and that <i><b>GOD AWFUL, EVIL</b></i> Library level, (which is basically 3 rooms copy and pasted 80 times, and more aliens than you can shake a warthog at.) Apart from that Halo has an awesome plot with plenty of twists, brilliant graphics, great A.I, and brilliant gameplay. If its going to be on the list at all, it should be on 25. I personally think it lives up to most of the hype it recieved, it surely isnt the BEST GAME EVER MADE, but it came close.
And why the hell isnt Max Payne on the list? the only saviour to this game is bullet time. Its fun, but its only <i>because</i> of bullet time. Once you realise this you learn that the game just doesnt deliver compared to how much hype it recieved. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Disagree with you on Max Payne, I liked it.
You made a good point about Halo, the story line WAS incredible, hell I enjoyed it so much I got the books for it. If any of you have been by the HBO forums before to, you would probably get a lot more out of the game to :-\
<!--QuoteBegin--Pulse+Sep 20 2003, 12:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pulse @ Sep 20 2003, 12:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Halo Not overrated? Are you insane? Half of the console magazines and those xbox only "gamers" called it the "Best Game Ever Made" Yet everything it does had been done before, and better. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Not really.
Never had such a revolutionary FPS been brought to a console before.
Bungie continued in its wonderful wake of Marathon's story telling by creating a whole new game and making it incredibely fun. Bash it all you want, but I'm done hijacking the thread. I know I'm right, because I don't state opinions, I state facts <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> (har har)
<!--QuoteBegin--PanzerOx+Sep 19 2003, 03:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (PanzerOx @ Sep 19 2003, 03:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And, to go along with DS,
<b>HOW THE HELL IS HALO OVERRATED.</b> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> let's loosely look at the list as disappointments
in that case, Halo is a grand disappointment. Imagine the possibilities for it if Halo had come out first on PC. It's an enjoyable single player game.. and so is Half-Life. Look at what Half-Life has become, and Halo will not.
I honestly think MGS2 was overrated. Now, I only played up until you disarm the fatties bombs, but it was dull. Nothing like MGS1. If the had MGS1 with MGS2's graphics, I'd be impressed. Very impressed.
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<!--QuoteBegin--Testament+Sep 21 2003, 04:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Testament @ Sep 21 2003, 04:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I honestly think MGS2 was overrated. Now, I only played up until you disarm the fatties bombs, but it was dull. Nothing like MGS1. If the had MGS1 with MGS2's graphics, I'd be impressed. Very impressed. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i was hoping for something like that in substance...
but at least i get to see hi-res meryl/young snake, if only in a few extra/altered missions.
<!--QuoteBegin--SoulSkorpion+Sep 21 2003, 08:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SoulSkorpion @ Sep 21 2003, 08:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>THEY PUT MORROWIND ON THE LIST? ARE THEY NUCKING FUTS?!</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't think so. The great scores it received everywhere should have meant that most people should have loved it. Yet many people had qualms with the lengthy travelling you had to do. The combat system was almost entirely stats-based, there was little room for personal skill (which I think the game's first-person perspective suggested) - the influence you had on the fighting was selecting whether to chop, slash or thrust - and perfect performance was an "Always Use Best Attack"-checkbox away. The way the journal was organized meant that it was hard keeping track of multiple quests, when the game's open structure suggested that multiple simultaneous quests was the right thing to do. I mean, yeah sure, someone in Ald'Ruhn wants me to go to Vivec and get something for them on a little sidequest. Fine with me, but I'll do that when I'm in Vivec on other business anyway. The problem is that by that time, the quest will probably be buried under several pages of other stuff, and I'll forget about it, and likely never get it done. The game was great in my opinion, and I still play it. But not as great as I had hoped, or I'd never bothered with NS.
<!--QuoteBegin--Fina+Sep 20 2003, 04:28 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fina @ Sep 20 2003, 04:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I can't believe that so many people are taking this so seriously. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> <b>Metal Gear Solid is more important than anything. </b>
<!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Sep 19 2003, 09:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Sep 19 2003, 09:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I definitely agree with them on all counts, except for Donkey Kong Country, which I never played...
For the rest - definitely overhyped compared to the final products... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm with MonsE. There are some that I didn't play. But they don't say the games were useless or bad. Just hyped and rated higher than they could sustain on closer inspection.
Quake II. Ho-boy, upon release it really knocked my socks off, but multiplayer wasn't that great and the gameplay was ... average ... in solo mode. MGS2. Erm. Yes. Too much talky talky. Too little actual action. Weird storyline that quite derailed my interest in it. Morrowind. All wound up, but quite unintersting and unbalanced gameplay once you were past the "Wow, this world is big. and beautiful" phase. Star Fleet Command. Yup. Perhaps because it was the first series of star trek games that didn't suck, it got rated higher. Battlecruiser. Yeah, that game got immense hype, but was a real disaster in release. Besides Derek Smart acted like quite an a-hole on the usenet. Donkey Kong Country. A-yup. Perhaps some value gloss over gameplay. I agree entirely, Yoshi is a much, much better game.
Can't be bothered to list more, but they are mostly right, and you anti-gamespy anti-fanboys have to relaxe. Just because the game was played and enjoyed doesn't mean it lived up to hype as well as the ratings it received.
<!--QuoteBegin--Xzilen+Sep 20 2003, 06:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Xzilen @ Sep 20 2003, 06:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--MrMojo+Sep 20 2003, 11:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrMojo @ Sep 20 2003, 11:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Dude, Halo was soooo hyped by like every single game mag... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, but thats hype, not rating.
Also, many people expected it to be just like the demos they saw for the pc, they had a limited time window to port it all and change it around for the x-box so they couldn't do everything they orginally planned. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well their article deals with the hype as well as the rating. And Halo was hyped as well as rated beyond it's actual qualities. Its a GOOD game, and perhaps was the best out for the Xbox for a long time. But it wasn't stellarly superbly good. Solo was sub-Half-Life at least, I havent played too much multi with it, but what I played was enjoyable enough. IT's a game you can comfortably buy.
<!--QuoteBegin--Confuzor+Sep 20 2003, 02:00 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Confuzor @ Sep 20 2003, 02:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm going to put myself in the target range here right now...
Do any of you here think that Half-life was overrated?
I'm going to take a quote from a mobygames' review here:
I'll admit, it was a very long time before I actually played Half-life single player; I was most interested in the mods. Prior to HL, the only FPS I played were basically Doom, a bit of Duke Nukem 3D, and Quake. So I don't consider my personal FPS experience to be extensive. As the above review mentions, System Shock was a true innovator. I myself couldn't play that game through however, since I couldn't stand not being able to change my controls. In the year that Half-life was released, there were many other FPS released. Reviews I have read seem to suggest that SiN would of been just as level, if not, higher than HL, were it not for it's bugs. Than there's Thief, which also came out that year.
I really don't know whether I agree with HL having won so many GOTY awards in 98. What insanity could possibly possess me to say such blasphemy, you say? I say: Grim Fandango. Now THAT's a single-player experience. The only thing that makes HL's multiplayer truely fun is their mods.
Discuss/Ex-communicate me?
[edit]Puting some more things into perspective, I finished Half-life THIS YEAR. By this time, I had already finished Thief as well as No One Lives Forever. This is possibly why I'm much more immune in being "fazed" by HL[/edit] <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I had the very rare experience of playing Half-Life totally unknowing about what it was. I hadn't followed any pre-relase as well as post-releas hype. I just bought it in a store at a bargain price when I visited thailand because the owner said it was a really good game. And seeing as he was the only legit games dealer in Bangkok according to his own words, I took them for true.
When I got home I installed it and took the single player. And I was really ENRAPTURED by it. It was simpy such a great shooter. Overrated? I don't think so. It is one of the very few games I've bothered to complete 3 times, with a few years between each run. I then tried some multiplayer, and it was also very enjoyable compared to what else deathmatching I found at the time being.
I also played Grim Fandango. IT was entertaining sure, but it was another game that didnt do heckuva lot in the innovation department. AS Half-Life it is a game that did take an established genre and made a great game within that genre. To say that HLs singleplayer experience isnt worthy of GF is perhaps misunderstaning - or at least not agreeing upon - what a game is. A game is a makebelieve thing where your own actions are involved. Half-Life is much more involving visuomotorically than GF. To put it short: HL uses a bit of narrative to motivate interaction. Grim Fandango uses a bit of interaction to motivate reading a narrative. As "game", I find HL rating leagues above GF. As a narrative, GF is much more sophisticated than HL. In the end, HL turned out to be the most satisfying for me. Excellent solo, excellent multi.
It's really like trying to compare a Steve Jackson Sword and Sorcery book to a deck of cards. Hard, eh? Defo the best game and replay value in a deck of cards, but you get a nicer story with S&S.
Now, Thief was a great new game type, it did something that I had not tried before. But I wouldn't say it was better than half-life. More original, yes, but I'm not of the conviction that originality alone is a value to be praised for the sake of originality. Besides, Thief lend a lot from existing genres and shook it's own cocktail with that. Now I don't mind innovation, but I see no problem in taking a well defined genre and making something great in that. If you aren't enjoying a heavily puzzled base, semi-RPG such as System Shock - well what's great about it?
Besides, System shock was kind of a rehash of the arcade adventure idea mixed with 3d-shooting.
I really like FF7. However, if you've only played 7-10, it's easy to see how it would be overrated. I saw 7 as a continuation of the excellent 4, 5, and 6. Unfortunately, 4-6 weren't nearly as popular as 7 was. So when you put Cloud and Sephiroth up against Squall and the Sorceress, Tidus and Sin, and Zidane and what's-his-face, guess who comes up the winner? It's not hard to guess if you look at all of the Sephiroth fanbois on the internet.
One of the reviewers said that they liked FFX's grid system, but not the materia system. I found that odd, since the grid system felt like an overly complicated, drawn out way of getting materia. It blurred the lines plenty between classes, but you had to hunt down keys and it took forever to get them other abilities. Being able to rotate materia made me feel like I could use anybody, instead of using the ol' healer/mage/fighter party. When Aeris died, I wasn't totally screwed to be without a competent healer, since Red XIII and Cait Sith could pick up the slack.
The only Metal Gear I've ever liked is the one for the original Nintendo.
I'm surprised that Star Wars Galaxies wasn't on that list.
<!--QuoteBegin--Immacolata+Sep 21 2003, 02:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Immacolata @ Sep 21 2003, 02:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Xzilen+Sep 20 2003, 06:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Xzilen @ Sep 20 2003, 06:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--MrMojo+Sep 20 2003, 11:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrMojo @ Sep 20 2003, 11:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Dude, Halo was soooo hyped by like every single game mag... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, but thats hype, not rating.
Also, many people expected it to be just like the demos they saw for the pc, they had a limited time window to port it all and change it around for the x-box so they couldn't do everything they orginally planned. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well their article deals with the hype as well as the rating. And Halo was hyped as well as rated beyond it's actual qualities. Its a GOOD game, and perhaps was the best out for the Xbox for a long time. But it wasn't stellarly superbly good. Solo was sub-Half-Life at least, I havent played too much multi with it, but what I played was enjoyable enough. IT's a game you can comfortably buy. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Though I said I wouldn't speak of Halo again, I just must point out that what really engrossed me in it, was its story line. Fighting for Humanity (and if your read the books) not just being some invincible Mr. Somebody such as the main characters in Doom, and Quake were. You had a REASON for being so damned good.
It just... touched me, every element of the story.
I really like FF7. However, if you've only played 7-10, it's easy to see how it would be overrated. I saw 7 as a continuation of the excellent 4, 5, and 6. Unfortunately, 4-6 weren't nearly as popular as 7 was. So when you put Cloud and Sephiroth up against Squall and the Sorceress, Tidus and Sin, and Zidane and what's-his-face, guess who comes up the winner? It's not hard to guess if you look at all of the Sephiroth fanbois on the internet.
One of the reviewers said that they liked FFX's grid system, but not the materia system. I found that odd, since the grid system felt like an overly complicated, drawn out way of getting materia. It blurred the lines plenty between classes, but you had to hunt down keys and it took forever to get them other abilities. Being able to rotate materia made me feel like I could use anybody, instead of using the ol' healer/mage/fighter party. When Aeris died, I wasn't totally screwed to be without a competent healer, since Red XIII and Cait Sith could pick up the slack.
The only Metal Gear I've ever liked is the one for the original Nintendo.
I'm surprised that Star Wars Galaxies wasn't on that list. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Cecil and Edge rule all!
=)
Thank God someone mentioned IV (the best FF game EVER)
As far as I can see, GameSpy considers SWG to be generally <u>underrated</u>. True, the game is a bug- and lagfest (<u>as far as I've heard</u>, I haven't played it myself), but there is high potential in it. They consider it to be the first MMORPG where there is a genuine alternative to combat-oriented classes: You can be a dancer, musician, craftsman (with lots of different crafts to choose from) and plenty more. Considering that the bugs will probably get ironed out over time, the game may end up quite good. When I read their review of the game, I was appalled. They gave it a rating of 75, which I couldn't understand based on what I'd heard until then. After actually reading the review however, I realized what they were going at. I'm not gonna play the game myself, as I'm done with MMORPGs unless I find people I want to play with beforehand, but otherwise I might have bought this in a few months, when the last bugs are out.
when i play halo it seems like half-life with more eye candy... ... and the puma <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
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It was revolutionary!
DOOManiac, why did you put <b>Baldur's Gate</b> on your list? That game single-handedly revived the RPG genre. But, Badlur's Gate 2 started the demise of the RPG genre. What a horrible game that sequal was. "Lets just give them more but make it dumber!"
I have to agree that Final Fantasy 7/8/9/10 are overrated. A well produced piece of crap is still a piece of crap.
Also, they should have added Diablo 2. That game doesn't deserve the attention it got.
And why the hell isnt Max Payne on the list? the only saviour to this game is bullet time. Its fun, but its only <i>because</i> of bullet time. Once you realise this you learn that the game just doesnt deliver compared to how much hype it recieved.
And his Kung-Fu pwns Snakes
And his Kung-Fu pwns Snakes <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
double kick combo. w000.
+ torsotransaxial jump biaaaaaatch!
And why the hell isnt Max Payne on the list? the only saviour to this game is bullet time. Its fun, but its only <i>because</i> of bullet time. Once you realise this you learn that the game just doesnt deliver compared to how much hype it recieved. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Disagree with you on Max Payne, I liked it.
You made a good point about Halo, the story line WAS incredible, hell I enjoyed it so much I got the books for it. If any of you have been by the HBO forums before to, you would probably get a lot more out of the game to :-\
Not really.
Never had such a revolutionary FPS been brought to a console before.
Bungie continued in its wonderful wake of Marathon's story telling by creating a whole new game and making it incredibely fun. Bash it all you want, but I'm done hijacking the thread. I know I'm right, because I don't state opinions, I state facts <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> (har har)
<b>HOW THE HELL IS HALO OVERRATED.</b> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
let's loosely look at the list as disappointments
in that case, Halo is a grand disappointment. Imagine the possibilities for it if Halo had come out first on PC. It's an enjoyable single player game.. and so is Half-Life. Look at what Half-Life has become, and Halo will not.
i was hoping for something like that in substance...
but at least i get to see hi-res meryl/young snake, if only in a few extra/altered missions.
*Cough* Twin Snakes *Cough*
But really you weren't giving MGS:2 a chance, thats like the first small bit of the game.
I don't think so. The great scores it received everywhere should have meant that most people should have loved it. Yet many people had qualms with the lengthy travelling you had to do. The combat system was almost entirely stats-based, there was little room for personal skill (which I think the game's first-person perspective suggested) - the influence you had on the fighting was selecting whether to chop, slash or thrust - and perfect performance was an "Always Use Best Attack"-checkbox away. The way the journal was organized meant that it was hard keeping track of multiple quests, when the game's open structure suggested that multiple simultaneous quests was the right thing to do. I mean, yeah sure, someone in Ald'Ruhn wants me to go to Vivec and get something for them on a little sidequest. Fine with me, but I'll do that when I'm in Vivec on other business anyway. The problem is that by that time, the quest will probably be buried under several pages of other stuff, and I'll forget about it, and likely never get it done.
The game was great in my opinion, and I still play it. But not as great as I had hoped, or I'd never bothered with NS.
<b>Metal Gear Solid is more important than anything.
</b>
For the rest - definitely overhyped compared to the final products... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm with MonsE. There are some that I didn't play. But they don't say the games were useless or bad. Just hyped and rated higher than they could sustain on closer inspection.
Quake II. Ho-boy, upon release it really knocked my socks off, but multiplayer wasn't that great and the gameplay was ... average ... in solo mode.
MGS2. Erm. Yes. Too much talky talky. Too little actual action. Weird storyline that quite derailed my interest in it.
Morrowind. All wound up, but quite unintersting and unbalanced gameplay once you were past the "Wow, this world is big. and beautiful" phase.
Star Fleet Command. Yup. Perhaps because it was the first series of star trek games that didn't suck, it got rated higher.
Battlecruiser. Yeah, that game got immense hype, but was a real disaster in release. Besides Derek Smart acted like quite an a-hole on the usenet.
Donkey Kong Country. A-yup. Perhaps some value gloss over gameplay. I agree entirely, Yoshi is a much, much better game.
Can't be bothered to list more, but they are mostly right, and you anti-gamespy anti-fanboys have to relaxe. Just because the game was played and enjoyed doesn't mean it lived up to hype as well as the ratings it received.
Yes, but thats hype, not rating.
Also, many people expected it to be just like the demos they saw for the pc, they had a limited time window to port it all and change it around for the x-box so they couldn't do everything they orginally planned. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well their article deals with the hype as well as the rating. And Halo was hyped as well as rated beyond it's actual qualities. Its a GOOD game, and perhaps was the best out for the Xbox for a long time. But it wasn't stellarly superbly good. Solo was sub-Half-Life at least, I havent played too much multi with it, but what I played was enjoyable enough. IT's a game you can comfortably buy.
Do any of you here think that Half-life was overrated?
I'm going to take a quote from a mobygames' review here:
I'll admit, it was a very long time before I actually played Half-life single player; I was most interested in the mods. Prior to HL, the only FPS I played were basically Doom, a bit of Duke Nukem 3D, and Quake. So I don't consider my personal FPS experience to be extensive. As the above review mentions, System Shock was a true innovator. I myself couldn't play that game through however, since I couldn't stand not being able to change my controls. In the year that Half-life was released, there were many other FPS released. Reviews I have read seem to suggest that SiN would of been just as level, if not, higher than HL, were it not for it's bugs. Than there's Thief, which also came out that year.
I really don't know whether I agree with HL having won so many GOTY awards in 98. What insanity could possibly possess me to say such blasphemy, you say? I say: Grim Fandango. Now THAT's a single-player experience. The only thing that makes HL's multiplayer truely fun is their mods.
Discuss/Ex-communicate me?
[edit]Puting some more things into perspective, I finished Half-life THIS YEAR. By this time, I had already finished Thief as well as No One Lives Forever. This is possibly why I'm much more immune in being "fazed" by HL[/edit] <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I had the very rare experience of playing Half-Life totally unknowing about what it was. I hadn't followed any pre-relase as well as post-releas hype. I just bought it in a store at a bargain price when I visited thailand because the owner said it was a really good game. And seeing as he was the only legit games dealer in Bangkok according to his own words, I took them for true.
When I got home I installed it and took the single player. And I was really ENRAPTURED by it. It was simpy such a great shooter. Overrated? I don't think so. It is one of the very few games I've bothered to complete 3 times, with a few years between each run. I then tried some multiplayer, and it was also very enjoyable compared to what else deathmatching I found at the time being.
I also played Grim Fandango. IT was entertaining sure, but it was another game that didnt do heckuva lot in the innovation department. AS Half-Life it is a game that did take an established genre and made a great game within that genre. To say that HLs singleplayer experience isnt worthy of GF is perhaps misunderstaning - or at least not agreeing upon - what a game is. A game is a makebelieve thing where your own actions are involved. Half-Life is much more involving visuomotorically than GF. To put it short: HL uses a bit of narrative to motivate interaction. Grim Fandango uses a bit of interaction to motivate reading a narrative. As "game", I find HL rating leagues above GF. As a narrative, GF is much more sophisticated than HL. In the end, HL turned out to be the most satisfying for me. Excellent solo, excellent multi.
It's really like trying to compare a Steve Jackson Sword and Sorcery book to a deck of cards. Hard, eh? Defo the best game and replay value in a deck of cards, but you get a nicer story with S&S.
Now, Thief was a great new game type, it did something that I had not tried before. But I wouldn't say it was better than half-life. More original, yes, but I'm not of the conviction that originality alone is a value to be praised for the sake of originality. Besides, Thief lend a lot from existing genres and shook it's own cocktail with that. Now I don't mind innovation, but I see no problem in taking a well defined genre and making something great in that. If you aren't enjoying a heavily puzzled base, semi-RPG such as System Shock - well what's great about it?
Besides, System shock was kind of a rehash of the arcade adventure idea mixed with 3d-shooting.
I really like FF7. However, if you've only played 7-10, it's easy to see how it would be overrated. I saw 7 as a continuation of the excellent 4, 5, and 6. Unfortunately, 4-6 weren't nearly as popular as 7 was. So when you put Cloud and Sephiroth up against Squall and the Sorceress, Tidus and Sin, and Zidane and what's-his-face, guess who comes up the winner? It's not hard to guess if you look at all of the Sephiroth fanbois on the internet.
One of the reviewers said that they liked FFX's grid system, but not the materia system. I found that odd, since the grid system felt like an overly complicated, drawn out way of getting materia. It blurred the lines plenty between classes, but you had to hunt down keys and it took forever to get them other abilities. Being able to rotate materia made me feel like I could use anybody, instead of using the ol' healer/mage/fighter party. When Aeris died, I wasn't totally screwed to be without a competent healer, since Red XIII and Cait Sith could pick up the slack.
The only Metal Gear I've ever liked is the one for the original Nintendo.
I'm surprised that Star Wars Galaxies wasn't on that list.
Yes, but thats hype, not rating.
Also, many people expected it to be just like the demos they saw for the pc, they had a limited time window to port it all and change it around for the x-box so they couldn't do everything they orginally planned. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well their article deals with the hype as well as the rating. And Halo was hyped as well as rated beyond it's actual qualities. Its a GOOD game, and perhaps was the best out for the Xbox for a long time. But it wasn't stellarly superbly good. Solo was sub-Half-Life at least, I havent played too much multi with it, but what I played was enjoyable enough. IT's a game you can comfortably buy. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Though I said I wouldn't speak of Halo again, I just must point out that what really engrossed me in it, was its story line. Fighting for Humanity (and if your read the books) not just being some invincible Mr. Somebody such as the main characters in Doom, and Quake were. You had a REASON for being so damned good.
It just... touched me, every element of the story.
I really like FF7. However, if you've only played 7-10, it's easy to see how it would be overrated. I saw 7 as a continuation of the excellent 4, 5, and 6. Unfortunately, 4-6 weren't nearly as popular as 7 was. So when you put Cloud and Sephiroth up against Squall and the Sorceress, Tidus and Sin, and Zidane and what's-his-face, guess who comes up the winner? It's not hard to guess if you look at all of the Sephiroth fanbois on the internet.
One of the reviewers said that they liked FFX's grid system, but not the materia system. I found that odd, since the grid system felt like an overly complicated, drawn out way of getting materia. It blurred the lines plenty between classes, but you had to hunt down keys and it took forever to get them other abilities. Being able to rotate materia made me feel like I could use anybody, instead of using the ol' healer/mage/fighter party. When Aeris died, I wasn't totally screwed to be without a competent healer, since Red XIII and Cait Sith could pick up the slack.
The only Metal Gear I've ever liked is the one for the original Nintendo.
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Cecil and Edge rule all!
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Thank God someone mentioned IV (the best FF game EVER)
When I read their review of the game, I was appalled. They gave it a rating of 75, which I couldn't understand based on what I'd heard until then. After actually reading the review however, I realized what they were going at. I'm not gonna play the game myself, as I'm done with MMORPGs unless I find people I want to play with beforehand, but otherwise I might have bought this in a few months, when the last bugs are out.
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