Vets Exploiting

zippyzippy Forum Police. Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11956Members, Constellation
You would think vets would be setting a example on anti-cheating/exploiting but surprisingly no.

I was on a server with a vet eat him as onos and he does the retry, so instead of him lingering in my stomach he gets instant HA again.

Worse of all a admin was there on this particular server and did nothing.

zippy
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  • OlljOllj our themepark-stalking nightmare Fade Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10696Members
    doesnt retry take longer than being eaten?
  • JeeRJeeR Join Date: 2003-08-09 Member: 19237Members
    edited September 2003
    Erm... I'm not sure I understood what happened exactly....

    I think you posted this shortly after the 'incident' so maybe you were still confused...

    Could you calmy explain the situation again and try to be more specific in order for us to help you with this issue?
    -as this is what you want us to do I assume.

    Edit: Okay, I understood <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • criticaIcriticaI Join Date: 2003-04-07 Member: 15269Banned, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--zippy+Sep 21 2003, 07:34 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (zippy @ Sep 21 2003, 07:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You would think vets would be setting a example on anti-cheating/exploiting but surprisingly no.

    I was on a server with a vet eat him as onos and he does the retry, so instead of him lingering in my stomach he gets instant HA again.

    Worse of all a admin was there on this particular server and did nothing.

    zippy <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Some of the Vets hardly qualify. They simply got away with being inactive and still got the medal for "playtesting."

    In reality maybe they played a few hours <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • eggmaceggmac Join Date: 2003-03-03 Member: 14246Members
    still, what's the problem with that? It's not a biggie
  • StakhanovStakhanov Join Date: 2003-03-12 Member: 14448Members
    Hmmm I'd say retry after devour is the lesser of all exploits , it's way longer than F4 (which is infamous to regular players) or /kill , and mostly happens when one's particulary bored of falling prey to weapons of mass digestion. Still , it is bad sportsmanship.

    Even admins retry on devour sometimes... even the first admin of a certain famous uk server *cough*
  • RoCkIn_RiCkYRoCkIn_RiCkY Join Date: 2003-08-28 Member: 20306Members
    The word "Veteran" used in relation to online gaming means nothing.

    Most of them just have friends in high places who go round abusing their power and backing it up with "I've played this game since October 1993 so SUYF n00b"

    In any server everyone gets the same amount of respect by me, be they veterans or new players.
  • ANeMANeM Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16267Members, Constellation
    edited September 2003
    From what I have seen and heard, some of the vets can be real stuck up a-holes. Its kinda the wonderful "We are vets, we are the best, we can do anything we want" attitude.
    Also, I have heard from a number (okay.. an entire 2) of playtesters (not vets) that Flay might be getting rid of the vet program as its too much hassle (supposedly people swapping clans consantly just to stay in the vet program)
    Ya.. some of the vets aren't very cool people.
    Vets in general are just normal clans who were a little bit better, got recognized and got to help out with 2.0. They aren't in anyway special. They aren't expected to play fairly more than anyone else is. They are just normal people with a nice icon.
  • ubermenschubermensch Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11692Banned
    psh maybe he'd had a bad day

    maybe he'd died several shameful deaths earlier and his fuse had blown

    get over it, thats not even an exploit
  • eggmaceggmac Join Date: 2003-03-03 Member: 14246Members
    oh please, no more vet bashing, we had this enough. And 99% of all vets, PTs and devs get along evry well. So just drop it.
  • MrMojoMrMojo Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9882Members, Constellation
    Yeah, kann, that's hardly an exploit. It's just cheap. And stupid.


    Hey, I had a bad day, I think I'll go recycle some bases. Ta-ta.
  • SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members
    Today's lesson: in any sizable group, there's always a percentage of jerks. That's no reason to assume the whole group consists of jerks, though.
  • zippyzippy Forum Police. Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11956Members, Constellation
    situation....

    you go to devour someone , they can't f4 so they type retry in console, it takes less than the time to devour a full health heavy to rejoin and get your ha bk (depends on ping)

    Yes it's a lesser exploit, but a vet should not be doing it.

    zippy
  • MordenMorden Join Date: 2003-02-26 Member: 14045Members
    If you wanna see vets exploiting.. just go on HLTV and watch a high profile Cal match. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • snozzlesnozzle Join Date: 2003-04-23 Member: 15788Members
    hahahah i dont know why people swap out of clans to stay in vet program...

    as for exploiting there are a few of the "veterans" that dont carry the name because they are good + "honorable" players. there are some of them that like to exploit abuse etc etc. i personally feel that we should be treated the same as any player - not like were really good players blah blah blah...
  • TeflonTeflon Join Date: 2003-08-27 Member: 20289Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Ollj+Sep 21 2003, 06:43 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ollj @ Sep 21 2003, 06:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> doesnt retry take longer than being eaten? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Not if you're on a fast connection. With retry and 'jointeamone' bound you can get back in the game in only a few seconds.
  • DiablusDiablus Join Date: 2003-03-31 Member: 15080Members
    say comprox remeber that time in linuxmonster everytime u got devoured ud always do the spectator exploit? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> u cant belive how many people were flaming u in the team chat rofl, good times good times....
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited September 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--RoCkIn RiCkY+Sep 21 2003, 05:37 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RoCkIn RiCkY @ Sep 21 2003, 05:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The word "Veteran" used in relation to online gaming means nothing.

    Most of them just have friends in high places who go round abusing their power and backing it up with "I've played this game since October 1993 so SUYF n00b"

    In any server everyone gets the same amount of respect by me, be they veterans or new players. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <span style='color:white'>One more such comment and you'll be described fittingly be the word 'banned'.</span>

    I'm gonna explain this...

    Rockin, a "Veteran" in the NS culture is someone who was in one of the top 13 clans, and was allowed to play ns v1.1(now renamed to 2.0) before anyone else. Being they were highly dedicated players, and we pressed Flay so much, it was released early, without enough testing to see if it was balanced.

    There are those veterans, then those who deserve more respect, because they know more about the game than you. They may not play better, but they know more about it.

    Then, theres the veteran everyone should respect, no matter what- a REAL war veteran. God bless the fighting men...(and women)....
  • MrMojoMrMojo Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9882Members, Constellation
    Well, his last sentence is correct...
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Snidely+Sep 21 2003, 02:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Sep 21 2003, 02:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Today's lesson: in any sizable group, there's always a percentage of jerks. That's no reason to assume the whole group consists of jerks, though. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Give this man a cookie.
  • SentrySteveSentrySteve .txt Join Date: 2002-03-09 Member: 290Members, Constellation
    I play on the Hamptons all the time - and there are vets who think they are the next best thing since the waffle maker - and they will expliot/etc - and there are an equal, if not more, amount of vets who are nice people and will not abuse bugs. The majorty of vets are nice, though.
  • ForlornForlorn Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2634Banned
    For those who don't think that retrying out of devour isn't an exploit:


    Do it in CAL and you can face serious reprocussions.
  • CellulartCellulart Join Date: 2003-09-21 Member: 21081Members
    edited September 2003
    Quaunaut, I don't know who you are, but I think rockin ricky is totally right. Whether your "1 3 3 7" self would like to admit it or not, all "vets" are, just like he said, are people who know other people in high places. Theres no proof whatsoever that they actually know anything more than anybody else, and most of them don't. Most vets are rude and intolerant of people who haven't played as much, and are often very degrading. I think you need some perspective...
  • MrMojoMrMojo Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9882Members, Constellation
    So, you've personally met the majority of vets who were all rude? I find that hard to believe. Maybe you're the one who needs some perspective.
  • FrikkFrikk Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3164Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Cellulart+Sep 21 2003, 07:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cellulart @ Sep 21 2003, 07:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Quaunaut, I don't know who you are, but I think rockin ricky is totally right. Whether your "1 3 3 7" self would like to admit it or not, all "vets" are, just like he said, are people who know other people in high places. Theres no proof whatsoever that they actually know anything more than anybody else, and most of them don't. Most vets are rude and intolerant of people who haven't played as much, and are often very degrading. I think you need some perspective... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    To dispell some rumors.

    I
    A. Do not know anybody on the dev team, any IRC ops, no Forum admins, and basically none of the playtesters.
    B. Consider myself to be a decently nice guy. I don't exploit, well, I try not to as much as I can.
    C. Try very hard to be polite as a rule.
    D. Have been playing since the hour that NS was released.
    E. Have been in what is typically considered a top ten clan for over a year and a half. Actively scrimming almost everyweek. That's the reason that the Vets were chosen. We were active and good players.

    I'm sorry that a few of the ****-holes that got into the program are souring your opinion of the whole idea. What kind of proof would you like?
  • Nil_IQNil_IQ Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15520Members
    Bah, just make me a vet. I've played since 1.02, does that count? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Oh the good old days of sieges that didn't need line-of-sight <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    I have only seen 2 vets ever (unless you count Roobuba, he has the TSA tag, which is like a vet.... right?), and neither of them were particularly jerks. In fact, neither of them said a thing all game, but they played well, and didn't just save for onos (both of them went alien; most vets seem to).

    Why have I only seen 2? Because i'm British, hence I play on British servers, And the overwhelming majority of Vets are Americans (but then, the overwhelming majority of NS players are American).

    So anyway, seriously.... make me a vet. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • XzilenXzilen Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11642Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--SentrySteve+Sep 21 2003, 02:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SentrySteve @ Sep 21 2003, 02:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I play on the Hamptons all the time - and there are vets who think they are the next best thing since the waffle maker - and they will expliot/etc - and there are an equal, if not more, amount of vets who are nice people and will not abuse bugs. The majorty of vets are nice, though. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes, what you said. Except I don't play on Hamptons ALL the time, but Snidley put it really well to I think.
  • zippyzippy Forum Police. Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11956Members, Constellation
    You could be the queen, but just coz you got a title, don't mean you gonna have my respect.
  • MrMojoMrMojo Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9882Members, Constellation
    I'm a queen.

    *cough* a hive queen *cough*


    And I've also seen only a few vets ( I mostly play on Nanos and COFR), and quite a lot hardly ever talk.
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    What does "retry" do?
  • MrMojoMrMojo Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9882Members, Constellation
    It means you recconect to the particular server you were on when you did the command.
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