Who Inveted The Airplane?
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<div class="IPBDescription">Dumont or the Wright brothers?</div> Most likely, no one heard of Santos Dummont. Well, for those of you who don't know much about airplane history, there is a certain contradiction to who invented the first airplane.
Most of the world says that it was the Wright brothers, and some say that it was Dumont. According to the International Aeronatical Federation (like the FIFA for soccer, and FIA for cars), Dumont was the one who invented the airplane. But, according to popular knowledge, the Wright brothers invented the airplane.
What is your opinion?
PS: Plz, just post if you have a certain knowledge of aeronautical history. Don't post that the Wright brothers invented it cause you heard someone tell you, or cause they were Americans, therefore they had to invent it.
Most of the world says that it was the Wright brothers, and some say that it was Dumont. According to the International Aeronatical Federation (like the FIFA for soccer, and FIA for cars), Dumont was the one who invented the airplane. But, according to popular knowledge, the Wright brothers invented the airplane.
What is your opinion?
PS: Plz, just post if you have a certain knowledge of aeronautical history. Don't post that the Wright brothers invented it cause you heard someone tell you, or cause they were Americans, therefore they had to invent it.
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Whether or not you consider him the inventor of the airplane, Dummont definitely seems to be their father based on his love of them and his attitude in making his designs public (unlike Whitehead and the Wrights who fought over their patents).
Max
This site has some interesting information on this topic <a href='http://www.irenescorner.com/home/braziliancorner/dummont/' target='_blank'>Here</a>
I don't know who this Dummont character is, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was the true inventor of planes. I heard before that Bell wasn't the first inventor of the telephone; someone else did, but that person took his sweet time getting a patent... tough luck.
Think Marconi invented the radio? He made a huge step in being able to transmit Morse code; <a href='http://www.ewh.ieee.org/reg/7/millennium/radio/radio_unsung.html' target='_blank'>Reginald Fessenden</a> made the next big step, transmitting true voice radio waves, yet he's near unheard of.
Edison... you ****. Nikolai Telsa pawns you!
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[edit]Damn, Nikolai pawns everyone...
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Sucks that he was such an underdog; never realized how much of an **** Edison was after reading this:
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if Dummont made an actual working airplane, then yes he invented it. having an idea on paper means nothing till its actually built and works.
I just find it sad that Dumont is not recognized as the Father of Aviation. I find it very frustrating that the whole world thinks the Wright brothers did the first airplane, even thought they are not cinsidered to be the creators officialy.
You can read more about this <a href='http://csmweb2.emcweb.com/durable/1999/02/16/p22s1.htm' target='_blank'>here</a>, <a href='http://www.santos-dumont.com/bio/index.asp' target='_blank'>here</a>, and <a href='http://www.flight100.org/history/dumont.html' target='_blank'>here</a>.
And yes, I am back in discussions. Ph34r 1t.
How can you be so sure it was the Wright brothers? The pictures taken were not shown to the public, so how do we know those pictures were taken during 1903? For all I can tell, whose pictures might be all fakes (cause I didn't see any, so can't judge much).
For all I can tell, people might be biased to the subject, such as Americans will believe it was the Wright brothers, most Europeans Dumont, etc.
And nothing against it, but those sites are not very reliable (as well as the one I posted before <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> )
This can be all just popular information, but not the true info, like Confuzor said.
It's not american bias, it's world bias. The entire world, with the exception of some conspiracy-theorist brazillians, know that the flight was in 1903 and base it on plenty of accepted facts and documents. We might as well be talking about how a small group of people believe NASA never landed on the moon, it's just as silly.
Since you are the prosecution, the burdon of proof is on you to find fault with the generally accepted facts. We get to sit back and wait for your evidence. So far, you don't have any.
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Yeah, perhaps he was the one that invented the airplane.
Define what you mean by "invent." If it is to "come up with the idea of," then this guy was the inventor.
OK, and to clear things up, I do not like the fact you are saying that "conspiracy-theorist brazillians" are the only people who disagree about who invented the airplane. This remark shows that you are truly biased towards this subject, since you are an American. I agree that I am biased, since I am a Brazilian, and because of that I found your comment extremely offensive.
I did not start saying that this is all conspiracy. All I did was to ask questions on how reliable are these sources you say you have, since I state once again, I never seen them. I repeat, I did NOT say there was any conspiracy involved in this.
MonsieurEvil, I am not criticizing you, or any of your thoughts and personal opinions. I just think that you should have more respect for the opinions of others and don't regard Brazilians the only people who believe the US is wrong, by saying that they are conspiracy-theorist. All Brazilians disagree about the Wright brothers, as well as all Americans will disagree about Dumont. Wanting or not, this is because of patriotism to the country. And do not start talking that all Brazilians are wrong, and that the USA is always right and so forth. This will most definatly offend me deeply, and I hope you respect this.
BTW, even if it was the Wright brothers who invented the airplane, they needed 2 people. We Brazilians only one!!
yes but the diffrence between Leo and some guys before him is his would actually work(key word would). Also, Leo knew extally what he was thinking, the man pretty much desigened a early 20th century tank!...
They were interesting 'flights of fancy' and nothing more.
(Punny!)
Give him a little more credit. He's invented more than anyone ever born has invented.
If you want to talk about the most real inventions, let's talk Edison, or Tesla, or Fulton, or Babbage. Those were true inventors. And the subject of another thread, as this one has become off topic with a bullet. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
What did the wright brothers have to do? Look at Da Vinci's sketches and works and build it. They didn't think up anything! Building isn't such a big deal. It is like giving the construction workers credit for the design of the building, when in fact the architect deserves the credit for the blueprints.
Da Vinci's 'plane' (glider, really) did not, does not, and never will work. If I sketch out a picture of a gigantic animatronic squirrel covered in velvet fur that will crawl redwood trees and terrorize tourists at Yosemite, and I never make it because it is engineeringly unsound nonsense, I cannot claim to have invented robot squirrels. All Da Vinci gets credit for is people storing his drawings in a cool, dry warehouse that lasted the test of time. Plenty of people before and after him have made sketches of flying machines - none of them are credited with 'inventing' airplanes either.
MonsE sure has a way with words...
Speaking of Morse code.
Samuel Morse had a business partner named Alfred Vail. Morse had some money, Vail had ideas. Vail also had the first working prototype of what would today be considered a telegraph. Morse had an idea for the code: make a huge book with number listings of words, then send the number over the wire and have the recieving end decode the message using the book of words. Vail had a better idea: replace each letter of the alphabet with a combination of three long and/or short beeps. They argued the various methods of their respective ideas; eventually, Vail won. Thus, Vail-Morse code was born.
Twenty years or so later, Alfred Vail died, and Samuel Morse and his money conveniently dropped the name of the code's real creator, making it Morse code.
And who the heck would invent a robot squirrel? Using your example supposing for some strange out-of-this-world reason, I wanted to create this robot squirrel. I invent it, I get the credit for it. In the meanwhile, knowing you created a robot squirrel, tell me you wouldn't at all be envious of me getting credit for your idea. It would seem perfectly obvious I copied it, right? This isn't a parallelism by any means, but if you were to feel envious (as any normal human being would if their idea was stolen), it would mean you thought I got something you should have gotten. If you think your idea was stolen, then you yourself believed you invented the idea, and not me.
The point though, is can you prove to me that Da Vinci was the first person to ever draw some sort of airplane? The very first, or your whole theory of him 'inventing' the airplane is untrue otherwise. Not that drawing is inventing, mind you. For example, based on your theory, Greek statues showing Daedelus and Icarus were the first inventions of airplanes (they were using Ornithopters too, you know), some 3000 years before Da Vinci. Do the Greeks get credit then? Which Greek? We don't know most of their sculptors' names, so does Da Vinci win simply because he had better preserved records? Do you see where I am going with this?
I may be simply misunderstanding you... All that stuff about enviousness you wrote I didn't understand, but doesn't seem to have any bearing on the subject at hand. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Anyways, what I am saying in all the garble above is that people like Da Vinci gave inspiration to society.
Now you know what is also ironic? How the orients or the fantastic arab civilzation are never credited for the creation of the battery, gun powder, types of bows, advances in astronomy, steel ships, bridge designs, and a whole whack.
Did you know that as of right now there is evidence that the Chinese were the first ones to travel to the Americas and around the world, hundreds or even thousands of years before Columbus? I read it in the Edmonton Journal.
You should, I was using your own weird metaphor.
I'm not saying a person who dreams it up is the inventor, but I'm not saying the Wright brothers invented it 100% either. I give credit to the man that thought about wind lifting the plane from the wing before they knew what caused wind. It was far more than a picture. It was how it would have been designed. Considering the Wright brothers wrote a design on a piece of paper like Da Vinci, the only difference was that the Wright brothers made what was on the paper. The hard work is to figure out how to make it, not building it.