Commander learning curve...

JammerJammer Join Date: 2002-06-03 Member: 728Members, Constellation
in NS General Discussion
<div class="IPBDescription">How long?</div>How long of a learning curve is anticipated for commanders? It seems like NS will have a sharp curve. Can any PTs offer some insights in this area? I'd be a shame if NS newbies put the game away after a day becuase no one on a pub knew what the heck they were doing...

Any day now! Can't wait!
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  • FamFam Diaper-Wearing Dog On A Ball Join Date: 2002-02-17 Member: 222Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    The NS learning curve for the commander is... well.. its.. hm... how do I describe this? Maybe a graph might help:
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  • eBnareBnar Join Date: 2002-03-12 Member: 307Members
    Oh Fam, you always had a good way with words and graphs.
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  • SmokeMastaSmokeMasta Join Date: 2002-04-13 Member: 430Members
    exelent one fam <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
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  • BattousaixBattousaix Join Date: 2002-06-25 Member: 822Members
    lol so that means its sharp?
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  • LongtoothLongtooth Join Date: 2002-07-02 Member: 863Members
    The line breaks in several places,  what does that mean?  I don't know my scatter plots that well....
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  • TiCKTiCK Join Date: 2002-05-30 Member: 708Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Jammer+Aug. 11 2002,22:19--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Jammer @ Aug. 11 2002,22:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->How long of a learning curve is anticipated ...It seems like NS will have a sharp curve.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Guh? Learning curves are measured in how steep they are.. not how long they are..

    Or if you had a predetermined.. aw nevermind.
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  • LongtoothLongtooth Join Date: 2002-07-02 Member: 863Members
    On a more serious note,  the NS commanders learning curve will depend on the commander,  if it is someone well breifed in RTS games and someone that can take suggestions being a good commander will be second nature.  But for FPS only junkies it might be harder,  they won't like taking suggestions from thier n00bish underlings....they might say things like "Wh0s j00 d4ddy" in the face of suggestions...for them a lynching will end the curve in a right angle.
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  • FamFam Diaper-Wearing Dog On A Ball Join Date: 2002-02-17 Member: 222Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--Longtooth+Aug. 12 2002,02:43--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Longtooth @ Aug. 12 2002,02:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->The line breaks in several places,  what does that mean?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    There are also multiple skill levels for different times (I forgot to label the lower axis, shhh <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo--> ) It all depends on how clever you are. The gaps are those breaks you take to get cookies and the like. I thought about all of it.
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  • BattousaixBattousaix Join Date: 2002-06-25 Member: 822Members
    he meant this: is it hard to learn how to command marines??
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  • FlickFlick Join Date: 2002-08-11 Member: 1137Members
    I've been following the Mod for probly a year now and have finaly decied to introduce myself to the community,  I R Flick.
      Anyway.. I would guess the learning curve would depend highly on the person, alot of people just have no sence of stratigy at all and other plan everymove they make which relates to some huge stratigy they have planned out.  Not to mention on how new the person is to RTS's though NS is much difforent then say C&C or SC  (hehe I remember when the commanders hud was ripped off from SC) Depending on the person I'd expect (from what I've heard) that you'd be able to familyerize yourself with the Commander mode after a couple of games assuming your stratigy skills our average. Not to say you'd mster it but you should be able to adiquitly support your team etc..  My advice if your looking to become a good commander is make sure you can multitask very well  <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
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  • JammerJammer Join Date: 2002-06-03 Member: 728Members, Constellation
    Thanks for the condescending remarks and nonsensical explanations.  <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->

    So really RTS vets will have no problem then?
    Good...  <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
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  • FamFam Diaper-Wearing Dog On A Ball Join Date: 2002-02-17 Member: 222Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Yah, sorry, I am is a rascallious mood tonight. I threw a small biscuit down the stairs earlier. Must be something in the water.

    Anyhow, I started my commanding recently, and as long as you know what the buildings do, it is very simple indeed. Maybe not simple to make your team win, but its very easy to help. I won my first game in fact, and got a cheer of applause. Oh the memories.
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  • LongtoothLongtooth Join Date: 2002-07-02 Member: 863Members
    Good times fam,  Good times.
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  • FamFam Diaper-Wearing Dog On A Ball Join Date: 2002-02-17 Member: 222Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Longtooth: Are you looking forward to commanding in large scale NS battles?



    <!--EDIT|Fam|Aug. 12 2002,03:19-->
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  • LongtoothLongtooth Join Date: 2002-07-02 Member: 863Members
    No I am that large "bird" in the tree outside your window.  Just make sure not to unplug that cable going into your garage from those bushes.
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  • BattousaixBattousaix Join Date: 2002-06-25 Member: 822Members
    hehehe shhh longtooth i think he hasnt spotted it yet <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->
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  • ZaziZazi Join Date: 2002-05-26 Member: 672Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Fam, could I please see the function of that graph?  I tried using dirivatives of polynomials, but it hasn't worked... grm.   <!--emo&:angry:--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'><!--endemo-->
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  • FamFam Diaper-Wearing Dog On A Ball Join Date: 2002-02-17 Member: 222Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    f(x) = 13^(37+h4x) - (0/r!)

    Where h is the specific IQ of the person, and r is the number of people in a server.



    <!--EDIT|Fam|Aug. 12 2002,03:24-->
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  • FlickFlick Join Date: 2002-08-11 Member: 1137Members
    After pain stakingly Calculating that I have come to the conclusion that  Fam uses OGC  <!--emo&:0--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'><!--endemo-->  <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
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  • MavericMaveric Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1101Members
    i really hope there will be good (better yet, GREAT) tutorials and the like on how to be a good (better yet, GREAT) commander.

    i really get mad when someone doesn't follow my orders and i have to say:
    <b> "TOLD YOU SO!" </b>

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    <!--EDIT|Greedo386|Aug. 11 2002,20:38-->
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  • FlickFlick Join Date: 2002-08-11 Member: 1137Members
    I love to say  I told you so, infact... I encourage people not to listen to me just so I can say I told you so... if that makes any sense at all

    I'm gonna play NS as a <!--emo&:turret:--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/turret.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':turret:'><!--endemo--> cause they would be really challenging.. ya know not being able to move and all *nods*
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  • humbabahumbaba That Exciting Tales From the Frontline Guy Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 86Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    How naturally commanding comes depends on the person. I was raised on RTS games (HL was my first FPS). I love commanding now, but I am only OK, so I never force my way into the comm station. For me, It was just a matter of knowing what everything did and than, figuring out smart ways to win. The great thing is, you can afford to make errors or give vaguely unclear commands because your marines have a mind of their own. I find that the most important things to remember are:

    1: Know what road to victory your gonna take within the first five minutes

    2: Know the location of your enemies first hive in that time.

    3: Keep your marines as well equipped as you can afford. Some commanders forget that if you keep your individuals satisfied, they will be loyal to you and more capable as well as drivin to kick alien ###. (just dotn let em go commando)

    4: Do not sit still for long. Camping is a recipe for failure. Build and research as move.

    5: Spend less time trying to force your men to do EXACTLY as you say and more time giving THEM the info and keeping them together. The marines will see soem situations more clearly than you do (IE: A flyer is spiking a marien from the end of a long hallway, and the commander cant see him but the marine can)

    6: The inverse of 5, in some situations, YOU know whats best. (IE: There is a bob on the ceiling, and you can see it but they cant, you tell them to ignore the node and walk through the room quietly)

    7: Know when to follow 5 and when to follow 6.

    These are things you will all come to know. Once the console becoems intuitive (and it ain't too hard), commanding is fun and the feelign is transcendent to that of any RTS. EVER. (yes even Warcraft 3, when was the last tiem you ordered a group of men to attack and they responded "#### no!") ANd no AI can ever simulate Human Engenuity.
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  • coilcoil Amateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance. Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Fam, I love you.

    Nice comments, Humbaba.  (:
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