3d Mark 2003

MulletMullet Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15910Members, Constellation
edited September 2003 in Off-Topic
<div class="IPBDescription">lies...all lies...</div> Okay, I just got my new computer ( p4 2.4ghz, geforce 4 ti 4600, 512ram, 80 gigs 8mb buffer, etc) and the first thing I do is run 3dmark03...I got lower results on it than I did with my 800mhz AMD computer.....Did I just waste all of my 800dollars on this computer I made?

I got about 1 FPS on the CPU test with the Trolls....I got more with my 800mhz cpu! Arrgghh...

*cries* <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • ScareCrowScareCrow Join Date: 2003-07-28 Member: 18499Members
    I hope you're not comparing your scores to the ones you got off 3dMark2001 SE. Completely two different types of scoring systems.


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  • MulletMullet Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15910Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--ScareCrow+Sep 23 2003, 06:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ScareCrow @ Sep 23 2003, 06:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I hope you're not comparing your scores to the ones you got off 3dMark2001 SE. Completely two different types of scoring systems.


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    I'm not. When I look at other people's scores on the net, I should be getting a lot higher score than what I get..... <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    edited September 2003
    make sure all your AGP settings are right and make sure the secondary cache size is in your registry if you're using win xp...
    I think there's some guides at www.tweaktown.com that tell you how to do all that kinda stuff. It should be in the 'winxp: from reformat to rest' or something like that =P

    <b>Edit:</b> <a href='http://www.tweaktown.com/document.php?dId=324&dType=guide' target='_blank'>Think it's in here somewhere</a>
  • Dr_ShaggyDr_Shaggy Join Date: 2002-09-26 Member: 1340Members, Constellation
    Check to see if you have a VIA based motherboard. I had this same problem back when I did my last update. With VIA based mobo's you're gonna want the VIA 4in1 driver that lives <a href='http://www.viaarena.com/?PageID=300' target='_blank'>here.</a> Good luck!
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    I'd be quick to blame the GeForce... hell, I score over 2000 3DMarks with an AMD TBird 1.4 and a Radeon 9500 Pro. With SDR RAM.
  • UnderDOGUnderDOG Join Date: 2003-04-05 Member: 15221Members
    just tried it myself p4 2.4, G4 ti 4400, 512 ddr ram and i got about 1300 and about 2-4 on ragtroll
  • pardzhpardzh Join Date: 2002-10-25 Member: 1601Members
    With similar specs, but a 9800 Pro, I think I recall scoring 2800 or so, but I'm not sure really at all.

    I believe Tally has the problem pinned down here.
  • Jim_has_SkillzJim_has_Skillz Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12475Members, Constellation
    Geforce and the Radeon are both very similar, one is really not better, the only difference is that Radeon is cheaper than the geforce. You can say that the Radeon is faster than the geforce but it may be in some areas whereas the geforce is faster in other areas, and they are both on the same ground when you even it out.
  • Supra_SoldierSupra_Soldier Join Date: 2003-02-02 Member: 12993Members, Constellation
    Where do you get 3D mark? Is it free or do you have to pay for it? They use it all teh time in PCGamer but I'm too lazy to use my google toolbar <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • pardzhpardzh Join Date: 2002-10-25 Member: 1601Members
    A 9800 Pro and a Ti4600? <i>Similar?</i>

    Wrong GeForce, I think... If you're thinking of the 5900, maybe, but the Ti4600 is nowhere near a 9800 Pro.
  • FinaFina Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3267Members
    www.futuremark.com

    Anyway, since the GF4's are DX8 cards, they don't do to great in 3DMark03. I can't remember what my score was. I've got a GF4 Ti4400.
  • ConfuzorConfuzor Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2412Awaiting Authorization
    Yes, something's up with your PC... here's the test I just did right now; and I'm meaning to update my drivers as well to see what my other results will be:
  • UnderDOGUnderDOG Join Date: 2003-04-05 Member: 15221Members
    its generally best to restart your comp and shut off all other program before running the test.
  • MulletMullet Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15910Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Dr_Shaggy+Sep 23 2003, 07:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dr_Shaggy @ Sep 23 2003, 07:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Check to see if you have a VIA based motherboard. I had this same problem back when I did my last update. With VIA based mobo's you're gonna want the VIA 4in1 driver that lives <a href='http://www.viaarena.com/?PageID=300' target='_blank'>here.</a> Good luck! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I installed the VIA updates (my motherboard is a VIA chipset) and then I restarted. I ran 3dmark 2003 and my score was a whole whopping, <span style='color:red'><span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>700</span></span>....Now what the hell is up with my computer?
  • MulletMullet Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15910Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Confuzor+Sep 23 2003, 08:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Confuzor @ Sep 23 2003, 08:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes, something's up with your PC... here's the test I just did right now; and I'm meaning to update my drivers as well to see what my other results will be: <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What version of directx do you use? I'm using 9.0 and for some reason, I think that could be why mine sucks....
  • Fall0utFall0ut Join Date: 2003-09-18 Member: 20988Members, Constellation
    <a href='http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=1335315' target='_blank'>http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=1335315</a>
  • ConfuzorConfuzor Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2412Awaiting Authorization
    edited September 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--Mullet+Sep 23 2003, 10:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mullet @ Sep 23 2003, 10:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Confuzor+Sep 23 2003, 08:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Confuzor @ Sep 23 2003, 08:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes, something's up with your PC... here's the test I just did right now; and I'm meaning to update my drivers as well to see what my other results will be: <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What version of directx do you use? I'm using 9.0 and for some reason, I think that could be why mine sucks.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I just updated Direct X to 9.0b prior to running the test. The Nvidia drivers I used on the test was version 43.45.

    I ran 2 additional tests; with the Nvidia drivers at 45.23, I obtained 1584, and with some unofficial 51.?? drivers, I got 1572... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->

    [edit]Could it be that your sound tests dropped the average by almost 500 points? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> [/edit]
  • BeastBeast Armonkyi Join Date: 2003-04-21 Member: 15731Members, Constellation
    Um, I have the following:
    AMD Athlon Xp 2000+
    512MB 133 DRR Ram
    Geforce 4 Ti 4600
    And if I recall correctly, I managed to get a score of near 2000, which at the time, I thought was pathetic. The 5900/9800 can get scores of 7000+ Or something I think, so it seems about right (hey, its a DX 8 card O_o).
    I may be completely wrong here; I will do a check later.
  • AphalAphal Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8709Members
    2003 is a DX9 test, dont bother with it unless you have a DX9 card (radeon 9500 and up, geforce FX 5600 and up, I dont include the 5200 because it sucks)
  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    I'd seriously check out your AGP settings in bios... if it's not set to the right aperture or even set to PCI (yup, it can be set to think it's a PCI slot o.O ) it will <b>kill</b> your 3DMark ratings faster than slapping a vampire around with a big bit of steak =3
  • Dr_ShaggyDr_Shaggy Join Date: 2002-09-26 Member: 1340Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Mr. Bitterness+Sep 24 2003, 08:34 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mr. Bitterness @ Sep 24 2003, 08:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 2003 is a DX9 test, dont bother with it unless you have a DX9 card (radeon 9500 and up, geforce FX 5600 and up, I dont include the 5200 because it sucks) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Regardless of the fact that its a dx9 test, he's getting really low scores for a powerful machine. I'm surprised the via drivers made the scores worse... Mullet, can you save your results on the futuremark.com site and link us to them so I can see your settings/driver versions/hardware setup?
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Talesin+Sep 23 2003, 09:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Sep 23 2003, 09:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'd be quick to blame the GeForce... hell, I score over 2000 3DMarks with an AMD TBird 1.4 and a Radeon 9500 Pro. With SDR RAM. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I got 1500 on 1.3/512SDR/G4Ti4200.
  • BOZOBOZO Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3973Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Shadow
    Buahahahhh! My score: 117.
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    <!--QuoteBegin--Dr_Shaggy+Sep 24 2003, 05:28 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dr_Shaggy @ Sep 24 2003, 05:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Mr. Bitterness+Sep 24 2003, 08:34 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mr. Bitterness @ Sep 24 2003, 08:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 2003 is a DX9 test, dont bother with it unless you have a DX9 card (radeon 9500 and up, geforce FX 5600 and up, I dont include the 5200 because it sucks) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Regardless of the fact that its a dx9 test, he's getting really low scores for a powerful machine. I'm surprised the via drivers made the scores worse... Mullet, can you save your results on the futuremark.com site and link us to them so I can see your settings/driver versions/hardware setup? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    A good machine will not compensate for a mid-low end video card (by today's standards). ESPECIALLY on a benchmark specifically geared toward stressing the video card.

    Additionally (not to turn this into a video card debate... again), the 5900 is *technically* not a DX9 part. They do not have Pixel Shader 2.0 support... just a kludged version of 'PS1.4' that they take PS2.0 stuff, emulate down in the drivers, and limp along with. Additionally, when running the SAME code (as in, standard non-optimized OpenGL or D3D) the R9800 Pro blows the FX5900 Ultra out of the water. The 5900 has to cut down its precision to 16 or 12-bit to keep up, which the newest drivers will force in certain applications (*coughhalflife2anddoom3cough*) based upon EXE name to get the framerate up. When operating at full 24-bit precision, they get utterly *smoked*. And in FSAA and anisotropic filtering... well, there's already no question that the Radeon is prettier, with less FPS hit. (The 4x AA mode on a Radeon is roughly equal to the top-quality on a GFFX. The 6x mode on a Radeon has no equal on an FX)
  • MulletMullet Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15910Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Dr_Shaggy+Sep 24 2003, 06:28 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dr_Shaggy @ Sep 24 2003, 06:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Mr. Bitterness+Sep 24 2003, 08:34 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mr. Bitterness @ Sep 24 2003, 08:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 2003 is a DX9 test, dont bother with it unless you have a DX9 card (radeon 9500 and up, geforce FX 5600 and up, I dont include the 5200 because it sucks) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Regardless of the fact that its a dx9 test, he's getting really low scores for a powerful machine. I'm surprised the via drivers made the scores worse... Mullet, can you save your results on the futuremark.com site and link us to them so I can see your settings/driver versions/hardware setup? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Can't...I'd need a a serial number for it....i tried using my cousins serial but it dosnt work.... <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • MulletMullet Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15910Members, Constellation
    I just updated all of my drivers, and my 3dmark score was 1055....A lot better, but I still think it should be higher.


    BTW: I went into bios and read thru the manual again to make sure everything was okay...I did change some stuff tho.

    I made my sdram frequency 133 instead of 100....Thats all <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> Oh yeah, my video card (geforce 4 ti 4600) is a 128mb video card, it's set at 64mb and the manual said to leave it at that....Would going from 64mb to 128mb increase my score by much?

    There are quite a bit of settings in bios that are set lower than they could be.....
  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    heh, problem with this bios stuff is there's all kinds of weird and wonderful silly formulae to follow for maximum output... I don't really remember what the ideal settings for aperture were though but I think we've actually got the same graphics card. I'm pretty sure I read it while I was trying to get Unreal 2 to run smoothly but I'll go check up on it again sometime unless someone who's really into this stuff answers first =3

    I mainly used that tweakguide thingy I linked to to get my PC running super smooth <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • MulletMullet Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15910Members, Constellation
    edited September 2003
    Bah, I ran 3dmark 2003 about 8 more times and they never got more than 900......Ugh.....I don't get it, a 2.4ghz processor and a above average video card and I still get scores as low as my 800mhz computer....What a waste of money.


    /edit

    Okay now I've just had enough. I'm giving this computer to my sister. Thanks everyone.
  • Dr_ShaggyDr_Shaggy Join Date: 2002-09-26 Member: 1340Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Mullet+Sep 24 2003, 10:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mullet @ Sep 24 2003, 10:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I just updated all of my drivers, and my 3dmark score was 1055....A lot better, but I still think it should be higher.


    BTW: I went into bios and read thru the manual again to make sure everything was okay...I did change some stuff tho.

    I made my sdram frequency 133 instead of 100....Thats all <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> Oh yeah, my video card (geforce 4 ti 4600) is a 128mb video card, it's set at 64mb and the manual said to leave it at that....Would going from 64mb to 128mb increase my score by much?

    There are quite a bit of settings in bios that are set lower than they could be..... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    SDRAM?! oh.... that'll do it. Didn't know you could use SDRAM with p4's. I think you want some rambus/DDR to help those scores.
  • MajinMajin Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16829Members, Constellation
    edited September 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--Mullet+Sep 23 2003, 08:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mullet @ Sep 23 2003, 08:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Okay, I just got my new computer ( p4 2.4ghz, geforce 4 ti 4600, 512ram, 80 gigs 8mb buffer, etc) and the first thing I do is run 3dmark03...I got lower results on it than I did with my 800mhz AMD computer.....Did I just waste all of my 800dollars on this computer I made?

    I got about 1 FPS on the CPU test with the Trolls....I got more with my 800mhz cpu!  Arrgghh...

    *cries* <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Are you my long lost twin?

    I had a 800MHz computer also.
    I now have the exact same new computer as you also.
    I have better ram PC2100
    I hate 3D mark also! my 800 use to get god-aweful marks!

    I haven't tested my new comp yet. But in games I get sexy GFX and speed now that use to lag me to hell!
    I also solved my LAG spike problem. It was the PCI ethernet card I was using, I switched to the intergrated 10/100 that came with the MB and things are back to normal. 80-100 FPS and pings in the 40s.. YEAH!!!
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