The Patriots

greyfox5greyfox5 Join Date: 2002-02-14 Member: 217Members
edited September 2003 in Discussions
<div class="IPBDescription">what if...?</div> I just beat mgs2...good game, but...it makes me wonder....

What if the actual idea of "The Patriots" real?
12 men, ruling the US
Censorship of all things they dont like
Not really a democratic republic, more like a massive monarchy.
They are "dead"

.......TEH BRAIN HURTS.



It also makes me wonder....WHY does our form of government work so well, while in countries, it has failed?
If the "Patriots" were real, it would be the absolute ruling factor...under the cover of the "best" form of government considered...makes yah wonder....

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  • RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
    It did fail in the US. Little tiff called the American Civil War which ended up redefining the US government. Democracy remains a gigantic experiment as it were. It remains to be seen whether or not it will eventually succeed.

    When put to the test, democracy has been found to be cracking as it were. Look at the post S-11 United States, with the Patriot Act, reduction of civil liberties, the nightmare that is Camp X-Ray and the US kept in a constant state of "fear of new attacks". Democracy seems to be being whittled away, one step at a time. Yet is this perhaps the logical reaction for a nation that was attacked? Only time will tell if democracy will survive the tests of the future. One does call to mind Starship Troopers.
  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
    <!--QuoteBegin--Ryo-Ohki+Sep 24 2003, 02:13 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryo-Ohki @ Sep 24 2003, 02:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> US kept in a constant state of "fear of new attacks". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I would argue that the reduction in civil liberties is due to the everpresent apathy that is only now being exploited rather than a fear of new attacks, but indeed, democracy is showing some cracks.
  • XzilenXzilen Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11642Members, Constellation
    Um, calm down on the games man =)
  • BigMadSteveBigMadSteve Join Date: 2003-02-12 Member: 13472Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Xzilen+Sep 24 2003, 02:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Xzilen @ Sep 24 2003, 02:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Um, calm down on the games man =) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you do some research (I didn't, someone else did) you will find that game has an absolutely <i>huge</i> amount of depth in terms of story (I can think of anything ATM). I've seen many theories on MGS forums.

    Still, I think it's all BS. Hideo Kojima (the game's director) is just <i>really</i> good at making a story.
  • zoobyzooby Join Date: 2003-08-26 Member: 20236Members
    No. You're wrong. The biggest misconception is that where they tried democracy in other countries, basically EVERYONE could vote.

    This is totally false when you look at the US.

    whites over 21 who owned so-much land were the voters. AFter some fifty years, voting rights gradually expanded to other members of the curent electorate.

    Because democracy is not a stable form of government, there was a need to restrict what power the common 'vulgar' had, while keeping them in the dark and making them think they had power. If you take a look at the Constitution, the American public could not vote for president, they couldn't vote for the Senate even. The Senate was elected by state legislatures (originally), which were elected by land-owning white males over 21 years of age. (ogliarchy, really, instead of democracy) The members of congress (representatives) were elected by land-owning white males over 21 years of age, but since there were a large number of representatives, their power was limited compared to the Senate.

    This is why. The American public barely had a say in government at the beginning....in other countries this was not the case because they wanted to be like the 'American' example. And the American example at that time is what we have now. Lots of things have changed.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    edited September 2003
    One should note that a system never stands alone. A democracy in a country with severe economic problems will fail. Besides, there's a large number of stable democracies (see the whole of Europe, far-east Asia, North America, South Africa, and parts of Southern America).
  • ZelZel Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12861Members
    someday, somewhere i would love to see a true democracy, where everyone can vote on every issue, with the internet, it is logistically possible, might be weird seeing public opinion changing their own lives for once.
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Ryo-Ohki+Sep 24 2003, 02:13 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryo-Ohki @ Sep 24 2003, 02:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It did fail in the US. Little tiff called the American Civil War which ended up redefining the US government. Democracy remains a gigantic experiment as it were. It remains to be seen whether or not it will eventually succeed.

    When put to the test, democracy has been found to be cracking as it were. Look at the post S-11 United States, with the Patriot Act, reduction of civil liberties, the nightmare that is Camp X-Ray and the US kept in a constant state of "fear of new attacks". Democracy seems to be being whittled away, one step at a time. Yet is this perhaps the logical reaction for a nation that was attacked? Only time will tell if democracy will survive the tests of the future. One does call to mind Starship Troopers. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    My friends didn't understand they lived in a facist state.... they thought the movie was seriously about killing alien "bugs"


    That really...**** me off. Great movie, Honestly, I don't think the best solution to government has been created. Whatever it is, can't be "democracy" as we see it.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    One of my favorite quotes (I think it was at least repeated by Dieter Hildebrand) states that "Democracy is a rotten system. Tough luck that it's the best I know."
    I couldn't agree more.
  • zoobyzooby Join Date: 2003-08-26 Member: 20236Members
    I think Starship Troopers was a book written in the 1980s or something. The book was bastardized in the movie...haven't read the book (heard it's interesting) cuz I can't find a copy <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
    The book mainly focused on the new style of government that was in place. The movie didn't really go into it much. Essentially the type of government was based around the idea that you had to earn citizenship by doing some service for your country. Once you did become a citizen, you gained a lot of rights and privilages. I must admit it was an interesting take.
  • zoobyzooby Join Date: 2003-08-26 Member: 20236Members
    i found it on kazaa <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Pretty interesting book, haven't finished it yet.
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