What Was The Best C&c Game?

WindelkronWindelkron Join Date: 2002-04-11 Member: 419Members
edited September 2003 in Discussions
<div class="IPBDescription">and why?!</div> C&C: Tiberium Dawn
- Covert Operations
- Tiberium Dawn Gold
C&C: Red Alert
- Counterstrike
- The Aftermath
C&C: Sole Survivor
C&C: Tiberian Dawn
- Firestorm
C&C: Red Alert 2
- Yuri's Revenge
C&C: Renegade
C&C: Generals
- whatever the new one is called

Which one was your favorite, and why? Had you wished for Westwood to do something specific with any of the games?
Which one was your LEAST favorite? D:

My favorite was the original C&C. The units were varied, and exciting; stimulating, for example, dread upon seeing an enemy Mammoth Tank across the river. The sheer coolness of most of the buildings was awesome (the Temple of NOD building animation was by far the most incredible animation I've ever seen), as well as the technology (the Obelisk was one of my favorites). Sound-wise, C&C was unparalleled -- the death screams I've been trying to extract from the .mix files for a while now! Somehow, the atmosphere of C&C made it extremely satisfying after winning a decisive battle.

I discovered the original C&C <b>after</b> I had found Red Alert; one thing I wanted more than anything was an update of C&C, including skirmish modes and better graphics. When C&C Gold came out, I was disappointed; they merely made the graphics higher resolution and reused unit icons from Red Alert. Skirmish, a feature that was desperately needed, was gone as well.

For this reason I looked forward very much to Tiberian Sun (when it was initially announced). I watched, with decreasing enthusiasm, the cancellation of a number of very interesting concepts (for example, upgrade plugins, and changing weather). The cartoonish infantry, lackluster UI, and unbalance (GDI firestorm defense wall arrgh) turned me off from buying this game.

What do I want? I want a remake of the original C&C - same gameplay dynamics, same everything - on the Generals engine. That would kick MAJOR butt. Oh yeah.

edit: sorry, I forgot to include renegade <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
give more reasons guys. and also say what is your "dream" C&C game.

Comments

  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    edited September 2003
    I loved Red Alert 2 for the following reasons
    1.)Great story.
    2.)Convienient controls, simple layout
    3.)Very fun online play
    4.)Easy going community followers
    5.)Not the best hardware code, but ran well.

    I hated CNCG for the following reasons

    1.)Hardware code written by a retarded monkey being beaten with a hammer
    2.)Story? OH Thats what was seperating the intro movie and the credits. Oops
    3.)EA made it
    4.)Westwood sold out, and this was the devil spawn.
    5.)Required $3,000 machine to run *points at #1*
  • Violent_JViolent_J Join Date: 2003-09-09 Member: 20704Members
    gotta go with RA2 for the cities. the detail of the cities was great for its time. also the fact that u can easily edit INI files to mod makes the game last even longer. if i ever get bored i just mod the game to give the comp 12 apocs instead of 4 to come after me, or heck just give them a mig. a game that alows modding will increase its longevity.
  • Iced_EagleIced_Eagle Borg Engineer Join Date: 2003-03-02 Member: 14218Members
    Haven't played C&CG:Zero Hour (the new one) yet but RA2 is the best... It's definetely more focused on gameplay than better graphics... it is so much more fun to play online.. in RA2 you actually gotta build an army and use tactics (like sneaking) and its more REAL!!! in generals you can have untis pop out of nowhere (GLA) and you can win a game with 5 tanks :\ not fun... epic battles all the way
  • SkulkBaitSkulkBait Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13423Members
    The original Red Alert is by far my favorite. I don't really know why, I just really like it. Red Alert 2 gets a nod for being pretty good and having the best FMVs ever (why Mr. President, whatever do you mean?). Tiberian Sun was a huge dissapointment, it wasn't fun in any way.
  • kidakida Join Date: 2003-02-20 Member: 13778Members
    I was a crazy fan of these games. I loved the origional to death, because it was the first strategy of its kind that I had played. I loved the machine gun towers and the squishy squishy effect when the <forgot what it was called> ran over it.

    I loved red alert even more. The pillboxes, tesla coils, mammoth tanks, battleship, were the SHIZNIT.

    Red Alert 2 was fun, but to easy. There are some cool units in RA2, maybe to much, like the nukes and stuff, but nonetheless a good game.

    CCG, hmm haven't played that one, but heard it was ok.
  • RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
    C&C Generals: Zero Hour was released 2 days ago and I've been playing it extensively.

    I really do enjoy C&C Generals, and whilst I can understand the bad rap it gets, I don't think it's entirely justified. Ok so there's no real storyline, and to be fair the first C&C game was great for storyline (to a lesser extent Red Alert as well). Yet I'm not really buying Generals for storyline. I'm buying it for gameplay, and in that department I find it very enjoyable.

    General Powers add a whole new dimension to the RTS experiance. For those of you not in the know, as you fight on the battlefeild you gain experiance for killing enemy troops and buildings. As this experiance rises, you get promoted. Each promotion up to level 5 gives you 1 General's Point, that you can expend on various extra technologies and abilities selected from a menu. They range from giving you new units (Paladin tanks, Nuke Cannons) to making all produced units of a certain type veteran (Red Guards, Technicals), to giving you various airstrikes (A-10 strike, Fuel-Air bombs, Leaflet drop, Anthrax Bomb, Carpet Bombing, EMP Blast), to allowing you to instantly repair all units in a small area, to giving you re-enforcements (Ambush, Paratroopers). Thus a whole range of various abilities can be selected that change the way the game is played.

    What Zero Hour has done though is introduce 9 specific Generals into the game. Each of these generals has his or her own special abilities, units and technology. They also have specifically programmed AI so they behave in certain ways. In the gameplay mode "General's Challange", you select one general and play off against the other 8 in a series of 1v1s. And these guys are no pushover. To give you an idea of how they differ, there is for example General "Pinpoint" Townes, an American general who specialises in laser technology. He can't build regular tanks, but he can build laser tanks, in addition to a laser base defense. He may face off with the GLA Stealth general, who can cloak his entire base and any units he produces. Each general is based around certain playing styles of people who play the game. The nine are:

    Turtleing - Superweapons
    Air Power
    High Tech
    Stealth
    Firepower
    Biological Warfare
    Infantry
    Tanks
    Nuclear Warfare

    It really is fun to play around with these generals and their various abilities. If you liked the original Generals at all try Zero Hour.

    So in conclusion, I think Generals is the pinacle of the C&C gaming experiance. Whilst the original game was great, I feel that Generals has so much more depth and variety.
  • DreadDread Join Date: 2002-07-24 Member: 993Members
    You forgot C&C Renegade <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    But I think the first ones were most impressive. C&C Generals is nice but C&C Red Alert(I think the first C&C I played) was really cool.
  • Ah_forget_itAh_forget_it Join Date: 2002-12-22 Member: 11331Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    None of them, the original Dune was the best!
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Ah....forget it.
  • BogglesteinskyBogglesteinsky Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11488Members
    C&C RA2 was the best. the storyline was just so immersing. the final Allied mission kicked major ****.

    generals is good, but the storyline is lacking. i would have prefered fmvs, i fell they make the story much more interesting - you are actually fighting against real people who you can out a face to. i like that in a game
  • BigMadSteveBigMadSteve Join Date: 2003-02-12 Member: 13472Members
    I liked just about all the C&C games I played. Generals is my favourite at the moment. I like it how they have changed it from the usual story format. It's not just one big bad guy that you need to kill, it's the terrorists. The super-weapons in the other games are <b>nothing</b> compared to the ones in this one, BOOM!. I play my brother on lan often, hes next door. Once he, pretty much, screamed because I just fired my particle cannon, fuel air bomb, sent in the Super-sonic bombers and managed to get Colonel Burton (like the Commando in the original C&C but better) in all at the same time <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Summary: Generals <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • homerxhomerx Join Date: 2003-04-01 Member: 15094Members
    I can't believe you didn't include C&C: Renegade! <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Its one of my favorite games. <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • PalmaneenPalmaneen Join Date: 2003-01-02 Member: 11727Members
    Ok, so I have Generals, and I actually regret buying that. If I want to play a blizzard game I play a blizzard game, warcraft 3 for example (a game that I actually also possess and play when I feel like). The general powers is a really great idea, but why did they make it like a blizzard game?! I hate it.
    My favourite CC game must be the very first one, Tiberian Dawn. I like it because it's quite well balanced and it's simple. If someone made a Tiberian Dawn mod for Red Alert 2 with it's great interface and all that, I'd do nothing but play it all day long.
  • X_StickmanX_Stickman Not good enough for a custom title. Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15533Members, Constellation
    i like the original and Tiberium sun. The main reason i play games is the storyline (which is why i bothered to finish Freelancer single player, even though multi is way better) and Kane is my all time favourite Game-bad-Guy (he survived an ion cannon to the face - he rocks).
  • AlcapwnAlcapwn &quot;War is the science of destruction&quot; - John Abbot Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17590Members
    Yuris Revenge Was the best IMO.

    -It added a whole new side to the game
    -Added 2 brand new campains (complete with videos)
    -So many mods out for it (deezire, eagle redn c&c reloaded etc)

    Im a beta tester for C&C:RELOADED.

    It puts the Tiberian Sun sides (Nod and Gdi) in with the Yuris Revenge sides (Allied, Soviet, Yuri)

    Check it out <a href='http://reloaded.origin-network.net/' target='_blank'>here</a>
  • BogglesteinskyBogglesteinsky Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11488Members
    holy macaroni

    interesting concept

    does it work?
  • XzilenXzilen Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11642Members, Constellation
    edited September 2003
    Defintely the first one, then the second one, then Generals, then RA 2, then TS.

    I hate how they got so damn weird in the third and fourth additions they made. They should have stuck with the orginal forumla.

    The first one was just absolutely amazing, everything about it. From Carter, to the General, to kick **** left handed commando! Red Alert was pretty sweet to, but eh, I dunno, it just kind of lacked.

    Also the industrial soundtrack just kicked ****. Tell me you didn't like "Act on Instict" and I'll scream at you for hours =)

    I also liked how throughout the maps in the Orginal, small bases would be set up, and the ugh, I just don't know, it was by far the game that truely got me into RTS's for a while.

    RA2 was just too... cartoonish in its approach. Frankly, I was quite disappointed.

    btw the only good thing about TS was Michael Bien was in it =)
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