Kill Bill

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  • Smoke_NovaSmoke_Nova Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8697Members
    When is a comedy rated R? Even Dumb & Dumber was PG-13, and that's pretty extreme humor.

    And when does the name Kill Bill sound like a comedy???!???!?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->!?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • FieariFieari Join Date: 2002-10-22 Member: 1566Members, Constellation
    This was a prefect movie, and while I may dissaprove in theory about it being split into two movies, the ending of this "episode" couldn't have been more perfect. That one line... brilliant! Having that as a cliff hanger actually justified the entire "splitting" thing for me.

    It was making fun of itself, and yet, at the same time, took itself seriously. Er... maybe that isn't clear. It's giving homage to all these old 70s kung-fu movies, and it's done in such a way as to make you at least chuckle from time to time, but at no moment does the movie ever figuratively "Wink to the audience"... it never descends into actual comedy. All the jokes are injokes and references... and then there's the action, which was cool regardless. My only complaint with the action was that the hordes of yakuza looked pathetic and worthless, and it can be argued that such was intentional.

    And the soundtrack was amazing. The friend I went to see this movie with went to borders bookstore RIGHT AFTER WE GOT OUT in order to purchase... PURCHASE not download the mp3s... the soundtrack. I almost followed suit, and I may do so despite my possession of the internet and kazaa. Just as soon as I get some more money... college=being broke.

    I love this music. It's 70s, and it's great. The opening theme was perfect, the whistling nurse was wonderful, the trumpet runs were actually funny... it was all great.

    I walked out of the theater completely satisfied with what I just saw, thinking it was money well spent. There are people here at college who are seeing it multiple times... someone I know is up to 4 now. And if I could afford it, I'd be right there with them. I do know I'm buying the DVDs when they come out.

    I loved this movie. So many little touches....
  • Mr_HeadcrabMr_Headcrab Squee&#33;~ Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9392Members, Constellation
    Just saw it today, I'm buying it the day it comes out. Needless to say, it had me giggling 5 seconds in, just with <b>TEXT</b>. I Highly reccomend it. Also, remember 2 important words, Katana Spanking.
  • ParasiteParasite Join Date: 2002-04-13 Member: 431Members
    edited October 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+Sep 25 2003, 04:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Sep 25 2003, 04:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Liku+Sep 25 2003, 10:53 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Liku @ Sep 25 2003, 10:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This movie has a terrible plot. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Someone knows nothing about screenplays. The plot on paper means nothing, the sole purpose of screenplays is to lay out what the movie is going to look like in scenes, no body starts creating a movie by saying ok first this happens, then this happens, then this and so on. They do it scene by scene and the work goes into making the scenes look good, not the plotline, that's why they are movies, and not novels.


    For instance you can have an amazing idea for a movie and have a whole plot thoroughly thought out, but if you can't come up with one good scene that can actually sell the movie no one will give your screenplay a second thought. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Not really, my roomate writes screenplays as a hobby. He has schooling and he is on the verge of selling a couple scripts. You cant sum up the creative process in a paragraph because it is completely reliant on the writer and thier personal process.

    And you bet you can sell an idea without a single scene. Its called a treatment and all studios employ script doctors that write movies around plotlines and ideas, as well as fixing up existing scripts.

    //edit: typos and readability
  • ParasiteParasite Join Date: 2002-04-13 Member: 431Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--coil+Sep 25 2003, 06:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coil @ Sep 25 2003, 06:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Chill, people. Everyone is allowed to have his/her opinion. Mine is that this movie looked eh. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I think that too, but I have only heard rave reviews.

    I had a freind who made fun of it every time the trailer came on. I said "dont judge it till you see it".
    He (and others whos opinion I trust) said it was incredible.

    BTW, the Matrix fight style is quick to fade out. Studios are getting weary of shelling out 10s of millions to train actors. Hence all the low-cost high-profit horror movies coming out right now. It will still have its place for those few guarenteed blockbusters, but dont expect to see it in many movies from here on out.
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    edited October 2003
    That's not true, my neighbor is a producer and he says the average screenplay in Hollywood is sold or dropped within the first 15 pages, that means someplace like Miramax get's your screen play, the producer reads the first 15 pages if he sees nothing interesting your screenplay goes in the garbage.

    Basically screenplays consist of no narrative they are description of scenes and interaction between characters, the story isn't essential to the plot so to speak. Kill Bill is a perfect example of this actually, the story is a typical revenge story, it isn't built up at all, and the characters aren't developed, you just get thrown into the movie and watch the magic. On the other hand in a novel you can have a 100 pages of nothing but narrative and description.

    And what you are talking about aren't screenplays, ideas for movies are bought all the time yes, but then then screenwriters take those ideas and make screenplays for them.



    My original post was in reference to Liku's comment on Kill Bill having a stupid story, yes it wasn't original, but the plot was amazing I'm sure everyone would agree. There's a misconception that movies are about story telling, they aren't. Of course an original movie is always good and interesting stories always add to the picture, but a movie that is boring to watch isn't going to be successful.
  • Smoke_NovaSmoke_Nova Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8697Members
    If you want a deep thought provoking plot, you have to wait until all of the movies have been viewed. otherwise books will still pwn.


    And Kill Bill was really inexpensive to make, compared to some movies, because the Martial Arts trainer usually doesn't have to spend too long (many years) training them to be perfect, just to be good. and kung-fu fights will never die off! Long live Sonny Chiba, Bruce Lee, Jet Li, Jackie Chan!
  • ParasiteParasite Join Date: 2002-04-13 Member: 431Members
    edited October 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->That's not true, my neighbor is a producer and he says the average screenplay in Hollywood is sold or dropped within the first 15 pages, that means someplace like Miramax get's your screen play, the producer reads the first 15 pages if he sees nothing interesting your screenplay goes in the garbage.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yes same with Demo reels, auditions, anyhting really, especially in entertainment. I didnt say they would buy it if it wasnt good...so Im not sure what that has to do with my statement.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Basically screenplays consist of no narrative they are description of scenes and interaction between characters, the story isn't essential to the plot so to speak.  Kill Bill is a perfect example of this actually, the story is a typical revenge story, it isn't built up at all, and the characters aren't developed, you just get thrown into the movie and watch the magic.  On the other hand in a novel you can have a 100 pages of nothing but narrative and description.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    The best way I can think to sum up a screenplay, is to say its the script, adapted for the camera. Once the script is ready to be made into a movie, a screenplay is produced.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And what you are talking about aren't screenplays, ideas for movies are bought all the time yes, but then then screenwriters take those ideas and make screenplays for them.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    No theyre called treatments.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->My original post was in reference to Liku's comment on Kill Bill having a stupid story, yes it wasn't original, but the plot was amazing I'm sure everyone would agree.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    So what does that have to do with his knowledge of screenplays? He simply doesnt like the plot...


    (Edit: Also, My roomate actually writes scripts, not nesesarily screenplays, but the process is one in the same)
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Smoke Nova+Oct 21 2003, 06:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Smoke Nova @ Oct 21 2003, 06:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you want a deep thought provoking plot, you have to wait until all of the movies have been viewed. otherwise books will still pwn.


    And Kill Bill was really inexpensive to make, compared to some movies, because the Martial Arts trainer usually doesn't have to spend too long (many years) training them to be perfect, just to be good. and kung-fu fights will never die off! Long live Sonny Chiba, Bruce Lee, Jet Li, Jackie Chan! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    dude..

    you forgot long live david carradine? he's in the <i>movie</i> for chrissakes <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Parasite+Oct 21 2003, 10:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Parasite @ Oct 21 2003, 10:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->That's not true, my neighbor is a producer and he says the average screenplay in Hollywood is sold or dropped within the first 15 pages, that means someplace like Miramax get's your screen play, the producer reads the first 15 pages if he sees nothing interesting your screenplay goes in the garbage.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yes same with Demo reels, auditions, anyhting really, especially in entertainment. I didnt say they would buy it if it wasnt good...so Im not sure what that has to do with my statement.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Basically screenplays consist of no narrative they are description of scenes and interaction between characters, the story isn't essential to the plot so to speak.  Kill Bill is a perfect example of this actually, the story is a typical revenge story, it isn't built up at all, and the characters aren't developed, you just get thrown into the movie and watch the magic.  On the other hand in a novel you can have a 100 pages of nothing but narrative and description.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    The best way I can think to sum up a screenplay, is to say its the script, adapted for the camera. Once the script is ready to be made into a movie, a screenplay is produced.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And what you are talking about aren't screenplays, ideas for movies are bought all the time yes, but then then screenwriters take those ideas and make screenplays for them.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    No theyre called treatments.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->My original post was in reference to Liku's comment on Kill Bill having a stupid story, yes it wasn't original, but the plot was amazing I'm sure everyone would agree.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    So what does that have to do with his knowledge of screenplays? He simply doesnt like the plot...


    (Edit: Also, My roomate actually writes scripts, not nesesarily screenplays, but the process is one in the same) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    hmm..

    i have no idea what happened to the KILL BILL aspect of this thread

    but let me just restate, for the 5000000000000000000000000th time (i've been counting)

    that it is - indeed -

    an awesome movie.
  • AegeriAegeri Join Date: 2003-02-13 Member: 13486Members
    I loved this movie, BOTH times I saw it.

    As for holding a katana, please post a picture of you holding one 'properly' so we can see how it's all done. If there is another meeting of the bladed weapons club I go to, I'll have a look at the TRAINED swordsman with a katana and see how different it is.
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Aegeri+Oct 22 2003, 06:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aegeri @ Oct 22 2003, 06:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I loved this movie, BOTH times I saw it.

    As for holding a katana, please post a picture of you holding one 'properly' so we can see how it's all done. If there is another meeting of the bladed weapons club I go to, I'll have a look at the TRAINED swordsman with a katana and see how different it is. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    there are orthodox, traditional ways to hold it (stances, etc)

    and then there's the times it doesn't f***ing matter. if you can kill a helluva lot of people using your own personal stance, then kudos to you.
  • AegeriAegeri Join Date: 2003-02-13 Member: 13486Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Zig+Oct 22 2003, 01:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Oct 22 2003, 01:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Aegeri+Oct 22 2003, 06:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aegeri @ Oct 22 2003, 06:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I loved this movie, BOTH times I saw it.

    As for holding a katana, please post a picture of you holding one 'properly' so we can see how it's all done. If there is another meeting of the bladed weapons club I go to, I'll have a look at the TRAINED swordsman with a katana and see how different it is. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    there are orthodox, traditional ways to hold it (stances, etc)

    and then there's the times it doesn't f***ing matter. if you can kill a helluva lot of people using your own personal stance, then kudos to you. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes I know, I've seen several different styles and stances, but many have their 'own' style.

    It is NOT an easy weapon to use by any means. I've mostly handled short swords and long swords, but I found the katana really weird to hold and overly alien.

    I think I'll stick to European weapons <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
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