I didnt say this thread specifically Parasite. I said lets at least keep it in the NS off topic forum. I dont mind if someone else starts a new thread and they maintain the front page, because I was getting a little lax in beta 3, so it only seems fair. But I do resist strenuously the shift to a forum of our own. Lets keep this here, all of it. Its not for any select group, its for any NS forumite. And the only way they are going to know about it and get interested is if this thread (or one like it) is constantly bumped by our communications. That way everyone gets to see just how much of a good time we are having, and hopefully the amount of NS astrowars players will grow.
Personally I'd recommend that Eediot or Majin start the new thread - but only because they seem to be the most dedicated.
<!--QuoteBegin--Parasite+Dec 2 2003, 03:24 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Parasite @ Dec 2 2003, 03:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I went there, but it was like...dead. Also Marine or Majin or someone said all discussion would take place in this thread and not those forums :/ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It's not dead. I am reviving it, I have been lazy lately [28k, anyone?] but I am going to force it to work again. And it only seems dead because of people like you not posting <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
"Also Marine or Majin or someone said all discussion would take place in this thread and not those forums :/"
Right and wrong. Yes, marine said something. No, it was not "All discussion will take place in this thread and not official TSA forums." He has no authority, right, or place to demand that. What he did do was come onto TSA forums and write a long post saying that everybody should come back here. Logic would have us post in TSA forums... Hm. I wonder.
Anyway, moral of the story, everything will be happening over at TSA. Post here if you want as well, I'm not so rash as to demand that you post in one and only one forum. Check my sig.
<!--QuoteBegin--eediot+Dec 2 2003, 03:33 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eediot @ Dec 2 2003, 03:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Parasite+Dec 2 2003, 03:24 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Parasite @ Dec 2 2003, 03:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I went there, but it was like...dead. Also Marine or Majin or someone said all discussion would take place in this thread and not those forums :/ <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It's not dead. I am reviving it, I have been lazy lately [28k, anyone?] but I am going to force it to work again. And it only seems dead because of people like you not posting <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
"Also Marine or Majin or someone said all discussion would take place in this thread and not those forums :/"
Right and wrong. Yes, marine said something. No, it was not "All discussion will take place in this thread and not official TSA forums." He has no authority, right, or place to demand that. What he did do was come onto TSA forums and write a long post saying that everybody should come back here. Logic would have us post in TSA forums... Hm. I wonder.
Anyway, moral of the story, everything will be happening over at TSA. Post here if you want as well, I'm not so rash as to demand that you post in one and only one forum. Check my sig. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Correct in the first part. I did not demand that everyone leave the TSA forums, but I did request that we all abandon it. Neither will I be slandering the TSA people in this thread, or trying to create separate groups - a them and us scenario.
But I wont be posting there, I wont be supporting the use of their forums and I wont link to them on the front page. They are taking the NS out of the NS astrowars community, at least thats how I see it. I fail to see the logic or the overwhelming benefits of a separate forum, when we have an awesome one right here, that has heaps of people browsing through each day, and as such will see our thread and hopefully be interested.
The best way to kill off the NS AW community seems to be make your own forums. That way, you wont grow, you wont get many new faces. And eventually people will drop off and it will die a quiet death. I think we can keep the good times rolling a heck of a lot better with a thread right here.
This way it wont be an alliance, it will just be a few people spamming a single thread.
TSA is an alliance.
Ahh, ill post from the answer i gave before.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm not going to delete or modify your post, but I'm not going to condone it.
These are TSA forums. They are from members of NS community. Sure, you can continue to 'bump' the NS forum thread, but this is for the serious members, where we can actually organise a serious alliance. That is not possible on NS forums.
You may have introduced us to Astrowars, but this whole thing has gone over you. Request all you want, but I have faith that the people that matter will stay here and further the alliance. With the new beta, we will become a fully operational alliance.
QUOTE "However, when I introduced it, I didnt just introduce it to the people of this forum - I introduced it to the NS community. And I am increasing beginning to feel that having this separate forum is not a good idea. Its taking AW away from the NS community, and into a community of its own."
This is people from the NS community. We still post on the NS forums - moreso than people do here, to my dismay. This separate forum IS a good idea - it is the only way this alliance could work. And what do you mean, 'taking AW away from the NS community' - NS community is for NS. This is an alliance for AW, not NS. We ARE a community of our own, but we all know eachother from NS.
I do not know where on earth you are coming from with this, but frankly I find it rather ridiculous. I do not know your motives, or what's going on inside that head of yours, but if I have anything to do with it, TSA is here to stay. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And i will quote another reply [not of mine though] from the same thread...
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I dont see why we cant use both
I think it would be a good idea to continue posting in the NS forums like Marine01/Avenell sugested, because after all this is an NS based group and we can continue to draw in some NS people.
We should coordinate activities using these forums though, because its just us. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Essentially we are saying, TSA forums are for the <b>TSA ALLIANCE</b>, and we will coordinate it through that. Sure, keep using this, we can get more new members through this thread, but the TSA is NS community people who have seen AW, liked [loved] it, and formed an alliance. We know eachother through NS, but AW is NOT NS. I dont know your reasons for trying to keep it to this thread alone... This thread is huge, how could people not check it out, so as long as it is on the first or second page, that is fine. But i do not know where you are coming from, 'requesting' [in a little more HARSH manner, actually] that we keep it entirely to the NS forums. Maybe you have some... PERSONAL... reason. But all logic would suggest we need to coordinate things, as it is an ALLIANCE, not just random rantings with a specific topic.
<!--QuoteBegin--eediot+Dec 2 2003, 03:48 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eediot @ Dec 2 2003, 03:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This way it wont be an alliance, it will just be a few people spamming a single thread.
TSA is an alliance.
Ahh, ill post from the answer i gave before.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm not going to delete or modify your post, but I'm not going to condone it.
These are TSA forums. They are from members of NS community. Sure, you can continue to 'bump' the NS forum thread, but this is for the serious members, where we can actually organise a serious alliance. That is not possible on NS forums.
You may have introduced us to Astrowars, but this whole thing has gone over you. Request all you want, but I have faith that the people that matter will stay here and further the alliance. With the new beta, we will become a fully operational alliance.
QUOTE "However, when I introduced it, I didnt just introduce it to the people of this forum - I introduced it to the NS community. And I am increasing beginning to feel that having this separate forum is not a good idea. Its taking AW away from the NS community, and into a community of its own."
This is people from the NS community. We still post on the NS forums - moreso than people do here, to my dismay. This separate forum IS a good idea - it is the only way this alliance could work. And what do you mean, 'taking AW away from the NS community' - NS community is for NS. This is an alliance for AW, not NS. We ARE a community of our own, but we all know eachother from NS.
I do not know where on earth you are coming from with this, but frankly I find it rather ridiculous. I do not know your motives, or what's going on inside that head of yours, but if I have anything to do with it, TSA is here to stay. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And i will quote another reply [not of mine though] from the same thread...
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I dont see why we cant use both
I think it would be a good idea to continue posting in the NS forums like Marine01/Avenell sugested, because after all this is an NS based group and we can continue to draw in some NS people.
We should coordinate activities using these forums though, because its just us. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Essentially we are saying, TSA forums are for the <b>TSA ALLIANCE</b>, and we will coordinate it through that. Sure, keep using this, we can get more new members through this thread, but the TSA is NS community people who have seen AW, liked [loved] it, and formed an alliance. We know eachother through NS, but AW is NOT NS. I dont know your reasons for trying to keep it to this thread alone... This thread is huge, how could people not check it out, so as long as it is on the first or second page, that is fine. But i do not know where you are coming from, 'requesting' [in a little more HARSH manner, actually] that we keep it entirely to the NS forums. Maybe you have some... PERSONAL... reason. But all logic would suggest we need to coordinate things, as it is an ALLIANCE, not just random rantings with a specific topic. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I dont feel I was in any way harsh, it was a request, and a rather tame one I thought - and as for "personal" reasons - I cant understand where you are coming from. I have suggested that someone else start and maintain the thread in this forum if thats the problem, I have offered to sign up under someone else as a leader - I have no personal reasons.
I cant make it any clearer that this isnt a power struggle.
Why co-ordinate activities through that forum when you can do it here? Leads to more bumpage of the NS astrowars thread (Remember this thread doesnt have to be specifically mine), more exposure. I cant see the overwhelming benefits of having a separate forum for discussing our alliance compared to a NS offtopic thread. Maybe we can make polls, that would be nice, but apart from that, nothing else is leaping out at me. If the hardcore regulars mainly post on the TSA forums, they will be posting less here. Less bumpage = less exposure. Add to that that they wont always be hanging around to help nublings, and I dont like it.
Maybe its just me eediot, but the reaction I am seeing to my statements here makes me think that perhaps somebody else has personal reasons. I've offered to give away everything that could be seen as personal here.
Either way, I've made my point, and I wont continue to argue further. I guess everyone else can make up their own minds.
I am not saying you should stop posting in this thread. Bumpage is good. But we need to talk in the other forum. Its an ALLIANCE. This thread is for recruitment, the other forum is for the alliance. Argh.
What are the benefits of the alliance being managed outside of this single thread?
- The entire posting system is more organised. We can discuss specific topics a WHOLE lot easier. - Information is a lot easier to recieve, process, and display. - We dont have to worry about the MODs. - We have something solid. I.e we can bookmark the forums, go back to it, see what is new, what has changed, etc, easily and clearly. on just a single large post, you have to go back and tediously find your place. - We can have a site with information as well - We can mass email people. - It is an alliance forum, so we have moderation rights, so we can do funky stuff like that.
Benefits of discussing AW-related [and sometimes, not] related material in a single thread on NS? [I will save my counterarguments of these, but they are obvious anyway, and ive said it before.]
- The communities are not 'split' and the AW discussion remains where it originated, so more people are exposed to the GodSend that is AW.
Take into consideration not only the number of points, but how important some points are in comparison and alone. I cannot really express much clearer how unjustified and illogical your stance on the matter is. There should be no issue whatsoever about the situation. Your attitude baffles me.
I do not know what your problem is, there is nothing I can find wrong with organising TSA alliance and continuing it on a different forum [and site [in the making]], but recruiting more members [who we know from a different community] through a bumped post on the main page, with just enough conversation to keep it going, and be enough of a curiosity [the large post-count should be enough] to encourage people to try it out and become TSA members.
What we need to do is once B4 is out in 12 days or whatever, we restart the AW thread under a new title "Astrowars Beta 4" or something like that. Then we have a fresh thread and the Forums of Eddiot as well.
<!--QuoteBegin--Majin+Dec 2 2003, 11:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Majin @ Dec 2 2003, 11:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What we need to do is once B4 is out in 12 days or whatever, we restart the AW thread under a new title "Astrowars Beta 4" or something like that. Then we have a fresh thread and the Forums of Eddiot as well. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Agreed on the thread restart - care to do the honours Majin?
<!--QuoteBegin--Marine01+Dec 2 2003, 02:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marine01 @ Dec 2 2003, 02:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Majin+Dec 2 2003, 11:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Majin @ Dec 2 2003, 11:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What we need to do is once B4 is out in 12 days or whatever, we restart the AW thread under a new title "Astrowars Beta 4" or something like that. Then we have a fresh thread and the Forums of Eddiot as well. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Agreed on the thread restart - care to do the honours Majin? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Y'know, we'd save alot of time (and Flayra alot of bandwidth) if we just used the TSA forums instead.
anyone want to form an alliance and trade agreement with me to test before the next beta? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> I'm up to 22 planets now, my culture is 26... crazy having so many planets...
EpidemicDark Force GorgeJoin Date: 2003-06-29Member: 17781Members
Alright Discomonkey, my name is [gasp] Epidemic <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Wheee. It's so much fun sending a combined attack value fleet of 27000 to rain firey death on your enemies <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
My fleet has about 3/4 of that CV. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I sent you a trade agreement offer epidemic <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> other ppl send them to me! TechnoZombie! let's see how it works before the game really starts...
also, if one of you guys started the TSA alliance, invite me into it! :-D
I have 720 destroyers, 116 cruisers, and 90 battleships. So <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I need someone with a player level of at least 20 to make a trade agreement with. I only have 4 right now and it just kills me that I'm missing another 10%. Post your AW name here.
I got 4 through my alliance (which is ranked 3rd right now <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> )
<!--QuoteBegin--eediot+Dec 7 2003, 08:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eediot @ Dec 7 2003, 08:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> msg 'michelino' to join the TSA alliance
next beta i will start the alliance <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Wont that depend on
A) who gets A$8000 first?
and at that a spare $8000,
Regards Es Quatro
-soaking up the sun in good ol' T-town AL. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--eediot+Dec 2 2003, 04:34 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eediot @ Dec 2 2003, 04:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I am not saying you should stop posting in this thread. Bumpage is good. But we need to talk in the other forum. Its an ALLIANCE. This thread is for recruitment, the other forum is for the alliance. Argh.
What are the benefits of the alliance being managed outside of this single thread?
- The entire posting system is more organised. We can discuss specific topics a WHOLE lot easier. - Information is a lot easier to recieve, process, and display. - We dont have to worry about the MODs. - We have something solid. I.e we can bookmark the forums, go back to it, see what is new, what has changed, etc, easily and clearly. on just a single large post, you have to go back and tediously find your place. - We can have a site with information as well - We can mass email people. - It is an alliance forum, so we have moderation rights, so we can do funky stuff like that.
Benefits of discussing AW-related [and sometimes, not] related material in a single thread on NS? [I will save my counterarguments of these, but they are obvious anyway, and ive said it before.]
- The communities are not 'split' and the AW discussion remains where it originated, so more people are exposed to the GodSend that is AW.
Take into consideration not only the number of points, but how important some points are in comparison and alone. I cannot really express much clearer how unjustified and illogical your stance on the matter is. There should be no issue whatsoever about the situation. Your attitude baffles me.
I do not know what your problem is, there is nothing I can find wrong with organising TSA alliance and continuing it on a different forum [and site [in the making]], but recruiting more members [who we know from a different community] through a bumped post on the main page, with just enough conversation to keep it going, and be enough of a curiosity [the large post-count should be enough] to encourage people to try it out and become TSA members. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Marine01 vs eediot blah blah blah,
Personally, I see no personal reason for Marine01 to keep it out of the tomopdam forums, At first I thought there was, however if he is offering to give it up, and let other people sign up under him, well then there is no 'personal' reason to keep it here.
Frankly, the more i visit tomopdam.com/forums/blah it reeks of eediot setting himself up as a self proclaimed leader. Which I am against, simply because well, he has less experience than myself. And while it is nothing personal, I don't ally with less experienced players, also with the new alliance system, you have to be more careful about who you choose to ally with.
I have never considered myself part of the official NS alliance neither the new TSA alliance, rather just looking friendly toward them offering at least NAPs. It is so much more beneficial to ally with people in your biology range. I will join the appropriate alliance when the time comes, I'm not going to offer my allegiance to something that may be of no use to me when beta 4 starts. I think it is crazy to expect other people to do the same. Unless I you are near other NS forumites in beta 4. I would only keep links to the TSA unofficial unless you can them in your biology.
As for the new alliance system, more alliance 'administration' can be carried out through the AW server - as this is what the majority of players requested, so the need for using another forum or other communication is not essential. I really don't want to leave the AW site to conduct AW business on another website, it gets too tedious. I only visit this thread for AW because I play NS, and browse its forums every now and then.
Besides, this sheer size of this thread will get people in by curiousity, but it needs regular posts to stay at the front. Perhaps start a new one for Beta 4, however we need a more dedicated forumite to update the front page, because no offense marine01 you were getting a little shoddy. Besides when I go to a really long thread that I haven't been to, I don't read all of it, I only read the first few pages and the last few to get the gyst. Which I think would be all that is required for this.
At first I thought there was a power struggle between Marine01 and eediot however with Marine01's offer to just hand it over to other people, I see no personal reason. However eediot is admin of the forum, and wants to start TSA alliance in AW, can we see the pattern? I think that is a bit controlling, I'd want members to vote if I were in it. Besides, I think NS forum Mods are the best around. Unless you have clear and concise rules forums can quickly disintergrate.....
In summary I think (for those who think its worth) -
An official TSA forum is unnecessary (what makes it official anyway - tomopdam.com? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> )
Keep this uber thread, it will only encourage more players to sign up to AW
ONLY officially ally with people in your biology range. It's crazy otherwise.
I made my own alliance, with the big people nearby me. That's what i'll do in the next round. Ok, yes, I might donate money to people not in the alliance if they ask for it on the NS.org forums but other then that, i'm sticking to my own Trans-System Alliance
I have a small problem now in ending days for someone exp-hungry to solve. Thing is, I decided to little peck this guy Zag-zag with couple thousand destroyers and he didnt like it at all... so he wiped out half of my planets and is sieging every single other planet of mine.
His fleet size isnt so bad but I were idling these couple days and not taking any stress cause of game ending.
Attention !!! We have evidence of an incoming fleet around that time. 10 Destroyer 25 Battleship going to attack Beta Aliath 10! We suppose its the Fleet of Zag-Zag.
But come step right up and break this siege in Beta Aliath (36/67), if you dont mind. And that big bad guy itself is in Beta Al Chiba (36/60) if you like to PUNISH him. Or not.
if all NS players allied together, you might have a few people in biology range in your alliance, and those few people will have a few more... check out <a href='http://www.astrowars.com/rankings/alliance.php' target='_blank'>http://www.astrowars.com/rankings/alliance.php</a> -- the IonStorm alliance that won last game has 15 members. you think each of those 15 can see the other 14? I seriously doubt it.
I definitely agree it should be fully democratic, but I think that if we all banded together we'd really stand a chance of winning. we have like 30+ people. that IonStorm group is 15 currently, it looks like. why be a loner?
I dont see why we cant post in BOTH this thread and the "official" Topodam TSA ones. We can still draw in more NS players and talk about stuff in this post, however the other forum can have more strategy discussion and can prevent this one from being filled up with 200 more pages minor repetative posts such as:
"so can you guys help me kill this guy" "maby where is he" "over there" "k i sent some stuff" "kthxpwn" "I need money" "me too" "can I have money also" ect...
Second: what exactly does the new alliance feature do? Are we all going to sign up under one TSA one, would there be a benifit to that?
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Personally I'd recommend that Eediot or Majin start the new thread - but only because they seem to be the most dedicated.
Also Marine or Majin or someone said all discussion would take place in this thread and not those forums :/ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's not dead. I am reviving it, I have been lazy lately [28k, anyone?] but I am going to force it to work again. And it only seems dead because of people like you not posting <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
"Also Marine or Majin or someone said all discussion would take place in this thread and not those forums :/"
Right and wrong. Yes, marine said something. No, it was not "All discussion will take place in this thread and not official TSA forums." He has no authority, right, or place to demand that. What he did do was come onto TSA forums and write a long post saying that everybody should come back here. Logic would have us post in TSA forums... Hm. I wonder.
Anyway, moral of the story, everything will be happening over at TSA. Post here if you want as well, I'm not so rash as to demand that you post in one and only one forum. Check my sig.
Also Marine or Majin or someone said all discussion would take place in this thread and not those forums :/ <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's not dead. I am reviving it, I have been lazy lately [28k, anyone?] but I am going to force it to work again. And it only seems dead because of people like you not posting <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
"Also Marine or Majin or someone said all discussion would take place in this thread and not those forums :/"
Right and wrong. Yes, marine said something. No, it was not "All discussion will take place in this thread and not official TSA forums." He has no authority, right, or place to demand that. What he did do was come onto TSA forums and write a long post saying that everybody should come back here. Logic would have us post in TSA forums... Hm. I wonder.
Anyway, moral of the story, everything will be happening over at TSA. Post here if you want as well, I'm not so rash as to demand that you post in one and only one forum. Check my sig. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Correct in the first part. I did not demand that everyone leave the TSA forums, but I did request that we all abandon it. Neither will I be slandering the TSA people in this thread, or trying to create separate groups - a them and us scenario.
But I wont be posting there, I wont be supporting the use of their forums and I wont link to them on the front page. They are taking the NS out of the NS astrowars community, at least thats how I see it. I fail to see the logic or the overwhelming benefits of a separate forum, when we have an awesome one right here, that has heaps of people browsing through each day, and as such will see our thread and hopefully be interested.
The best way to kill off the NS AW community seems to be make your own forums. That way, you wont grow, you wont get many new faces. And eventually people will drop off and it will die a quiet death. I think we can keep the good times rolling a heck of a lot better with a thread right here.
TSA is an alliance.
Ahh, ill post from the answer i gave before.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm not going to delete or modify your post, but I'm not going to condone it.
These are TSA forums. They are from members of NS community. Sure, you can continue to 'bump' the NS forum thread, but this is for the serious members, where we can actually organise a serious alliance. That is not possible on NS forums.
You may have introduced us to Astrowars, but this whole thing has gone over you. Request all you want, but I have faith that the people that matter will stay here and further the alliance. With the new beta, we will become a fully operational alliance.
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"However, when I introduced it, I didnt just introduce it to the people of this forum - I introduced it to the NS community. And I am increasing beginning to feel that having this separate forum is not a good idea. Its taking AW away from the NS community, and into a community of its own."
This is people from the NS community. We still post on the NS forums - moreso than people do here, to my dismay. This separate forum IS a good idea - it is the only way this alliance could work. And what do you mean, 'taking AW away from the NS community' - NS community is for NS. This is an alliance for AW, not NS. We ARE a community of our own, but we all know eachother from NS.
I do not know where on earth you are coming from with this, but frankly I find it rather ridiculous. I do not know your motives, or what's going on inside that head of yours, but if I have anything to do with it, TSA is here to stay. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And i will quote another reply [not of mine though] from the same thread...
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I dont see why we cant use both
I think it would be a good idea to continue posting in the NS forums like Marine01/Avenell sugested, because after all this is an NS based group and we can continue to draw in some NS people.
We should coordinate activities using these forums though, because its just us. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Essentially we are saying, TSA forums are for the <b>TSA ALLIANCE</b>, and we will coordinate it through that. Sure, keep using this, we can get more new members through this thread, but the TSA is NS community people who have seen AW, liked [loved] it, and formed an alliance. We know eachother through NS, but AW is NOT NS. I dont know your reasons for trying to keep it to this thread alone... This thread is huge, how could people not check it out, so as long as it is on the first or second page, that is fine. But i do not know where you are coming from, 'requesting' [in a little more HARSH manner, actually] that we keep it entirely to the NS forums. Maybe you have some... PERSONAL... reason. But all logic would suggest we need to coordinate things, as it is an ALLIANCE, not just random rantings with a specific topic.
TSA is an alliance.
Ahh, ill post from the answer i gave before.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm not going to delete or modify your post, but I'm not going to condone it.
These are TSA forums. They are from members of NS community. Sure, you can continue to 'bump' the NS forum thread, but this is for the serious members, where we can actually organise a serious alliance. That is not possible on NS forums.
You may have introduced us to Astrowars, but this whole thing has gone over you. Request all you want, but I have faith that the people that matter will stay here and further the alliance. With the new beta, we will become a fully operational alliance.
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"However, when I introduced it, I didnt just introduce it to the people of this forum - I introduced it to the NS community. And I am increasing beginning to feel that having this separate forum is not a good idea. Its taking AW away from the NS community, and into a community of its own."
This is people from the NS community. We still post on the NS forums - moreso than people do here, to my dismay. This separate forum IS a good idea - it is the only way this alliance could work. And what do you mean, 'taking AW away from the NS community' - NS community is for NS. This is an alliance for AW, not NS. We ARE a community of our own, but we all know eachother from NS.
I do not know where on earth you are coming from with this, but frankly I find it rather ridiculous. I do not know your motives, or what's going on inside that head of yours, but if I have anything to do with it, TSA is here to stay. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And i will quote another reply [not of mine though] from the same thread...
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I dont see why we cant use both
I think it would be a good idea to continue posting in the NS forums like Marine01/Avenell sugested, because after all this is an NS based group and we can continue to draw in some NS people.
We should coordinate activities using these forums though, because its just us. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Essentially we are saying, TSA forums are for the <b>TSA ALLIANCE</b>, and we will coordinate it through that. Sure, keep using this, we can get more new members through this thread, but the TSA is NS community people who have seen AW, liked [loved] it, and formed an alliance. We know eachother through NS, but AW is NOT NS. I dont know your reasons for trying to keep it to this thread alone... This thread is huge, how could people not check it out, so as long as it is on the first or second page, that is fine. But i do not know where you are coming from, 'requesting' [in a little more HARSH manner, actually] that we keep it entirely to the NS forums. Maybe you have some... PERSONAL... reason. But all logic would suggest we need to coordinate things, as it is an ALLIANCE, not just random rantings with a specific topic. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dont feel I was in any way harsh, it was a request, and a rather tame one I thought - and as for "personal" reasons - I cant understand where you are coming from. I have suggested that someone else start and maintain the thread in this forum if thats the problem, I have offered to sign up under someone else as a leader - I have no personal reasons.
I cant make it any clearer that this isnt a power struggle.
Why co-ordinate activities through that forum when you can do it here? Leads to more bumpage of the NS astrowars thread (Remember this thread doesnt have to be specifically mine), more exposure. I cant see the overwhelming benefits of having a separate forum for discussing our alliance compared to a NS offtopic thread. Maybe we can make polls, that would be nice, but apart from that, nothing else is leaping out at me. If the hardcore regulars mainly post on the TSA forums, they will be posting less here. Less bumpage = less exposure. Add to that that they wont always be hanging around to help nublings, and I dont like it.
Maybe its just me eediot, but the reaction I am seeing to my statements here makes me think that perhaps somebody else has personal reasons. I've offered to give away everything that could be seen as personal here.
Either way, I've made my point, and I wont continue to argue further. I guess everyone else can make up their own minds.
Once this thread reached 80-90 pages, I finally caved in and joined AW. If it didnt exist, I would never have joined AW.
What are the benefits of the alliance being managed outside of this single thread?
- The entire posting system is more organised. We can discuss specific topics a WHOLE lot easier.
- Information is a lot easier to recieve, process, and display.
- We dont have to worry about the MODs.
- We have something solid. I.e we can bookmark the forums, go back to it, see what is new, what has changed, etc, easily and clearly. on just a single large post, you have to go back and tediously find your place.
- We can have a site with information as well
- We can mass email people.
- It is an alliance forum, so we have moderation rights, so we can do funky stuff like that.
Benefits of discussing AW-related [and sometimes, not] related material in a single thread on NS? [I will save my counterarguments of these, but they are obvious anyway, and ive said it before.]
- The communities are not 'split' and the AW discussion remains where it originated, so more people are exposed to the GodSend that is AW.
Take into consideration not only the number of points, but how important some points are in comparison and alone. I cannot really express much clearer how unjustified and illogical your stance on the matter is. There should be no issue whatsoever about the situation. Your attitude baffles me.
I do not know what your problem is, there is nothing I can find wrong with organising TSA alliance and continuing it on a different forum [and site [in the making]], but recruiting more members [who we know from a different community] through a bumped post on the main page, with just enough conversation to keep it going, and be enough of a curiosity [the large post-count should be enough] to encourage people to try it out and become TSA members.
Then we have a fresh thread and the Forums of Eddiot as well.
Then we have a fresh thread and the Forums of Eddiot as well. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed on the thread restart - care to do the honours Majin?
Then we have a fresh thread and the Forums of Eddiot as well. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed on the thread restart - care to do the honours Majin? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Y'know, we'd save alot of time (and Flayra alot of bandwidth) if we just used the TSA forums instead.
also, if one of you guys started the TSA alliance, invite me into it! :-D
(mines Crisp)
next beta i will start the alliance
next beta i will start the alliance <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wont that depend on
A) who gets A$8000 first?
and at that a spare $8000,
Regards
Es Quatro
-soaking up the sun in good ol' T-town AL. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
What are the benefits of the alliance being managed outside of this single thread?
- The entire posting system is more organised. We can discuss specific topics a WHOLE lot easier.
- Information is a lot easier to recieve, process, and display.
- We dont have to worry about the MODs.
- We have something solid. I.e we can bookmark the forums, go back to it, see what is new, what has changed, etc, easily and clearly. on just a single large post, you have to go back and tediously find your place.
- We can have a site with information as well
- We can mass email people.
- It is an alliance forum, so we have moderation rights, so we can do funky stuff like that.
Benefits of discussing AW-related [and sometimes, not] related material in a single thread on NS? [I will save my counterarguments of these, but they are obvious anyway, and ive said it before.]
- The communities are not 'split' and the AW discussion remains where it originated, so more people are exposed to the GodSend that is AW.
Take into consideration not only the number of points, but how important some points are in comparison and alone. I cannot really express much clearer how unjustified and illogical your stance on the matter is. There should be no issue whatsoever about the situation. Your attitude baffles me.
I do not know what your problem is, there is nothing I can find wrong with organising TSA alliance and continuing it on a different forum [and site [in the making]], but recruiting more members [who we know from a different community] through a bumped post on the main page, with just enough conversation to keep it going, and be enough of a curiosity [the large post-count should be enough] to encourage people to try it out and become TSA members. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Marine01 vs eediot blah blah blah,
Personally, I see no personal reason for Marine01 to keep it out of the tomopdam forums, At first I thought there was, however if he is offering to give it up, and let other people sign up under him, well then there is no 'personal' reason to keep it here.
Frankly, the more i visit tomopdam.com/forums/blah it reeks of eediot setting himself up as a self proclaimed leader. Which I am against, simply because well, he has less experience than myself. And while it is nothing personal, I don't ally with less experienced players, also with the new alliance system, you have to be more careful about who you choose to ally with.
I have never considered myself part of the official NS alliance neither the new TSA alliance, rather just looking friendly toward them offering at least NAPs. It is so much more beneficial to ally with people in your biology range. I will join the appropriate alliance when the time comes, I'm not going to offer my allegiance to something that may be of no use to me when beta 4 starts. I think it is crazy to expect other people to do the same. Unless I you are near other NS forumites in beta 4. I would only keep links to the TSA unofficial unless you can them in your biology.
As for the new alliance system, more alliance 'administration' can be carried out through the AW server - as this is what the majority of players requested, so the need for using another forum or other communication is not essential. I really don't want to leave the AW site to conduct AW business on another website, it gets too tedious. I only visit this thread for AW because I play NS, and browse its forums every now and then.
Besides, this sheer size of this thread will get people in by curiousity, but it needs regular posts to stay at the front. Perhaps start a new one for Beta 4, however we need a more dedicated forumite to update the front page, because no offense marine01 you were getting a little shoddy. Besides when I go to a really long thread that I haven't been to, I don't read all of it, I only read the first few pages and the last few to get the gyst. Which I think would be all that is required for this.
At first I thought there was a power struggle between Marine01 and eediot however with Marine01's offer to just hand it over to other people, I see no personal reason. However eediot is admin of the forum, and wants to start TSA alliance in AW, can we see the pattern? I think that is a bit controlling, I'd want members to vote if I were in it. Besides, I think NS forum Mods are the best around. Unless you have clear and concise rules forums can quickly disintergrate.....
In summary I think (for those who think its worth) -
An official TSA forum is unnecessary (what makes it official anyway - tomopdam.com? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> )
Keep this uber thread, it will only encourage more players to sign up to AW
ONLY officially ally with people in your biology range. It's crazy otherwise.
Any other suggestions may go here.....
Regards
Es Quatro
- hailing from T-town AL.
His fleet size isnt so bad but I were idling these couple days and not taking any stress cause of game ending.
Attention !!! We have evidence of an incoming fleet around that time.
10 Destroyer
25 Battleship
going to attack Beta Aliath 10!
We suppose its the Fleet of Zag-Zag.
But come step right up and break this siege in Beta Aliath (36/67), if you dont mind.
And that big bad guy itself is in Beta Al Chiba (36/60) if you like to PUNISH him. Or not.
I definitely agree it should be fully democratic, but I think that if we all banded together we'd really stand a chance of winning. we have like 30+ people. that IonStorm group is 15 currently, it looks like. why be a loner?
"so can you guys help me kill this guy"
"maby where is he"
"over there"
"k i sent some stuff"
"kthxpwn"
"I need money"
"me too"
"can I have money also"
ect...
Second: what exactly does the new alliance feature do? Are we all going to sign up under one TSA one, would there be a benifit to that?