Matrix Theory

relsanrelsan Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3720Members, Constellation
I'm not taking credit for this, but its an interesting theory on the matrix. I feel like a lot of people were turned off when they saw the 2nd matrix movie and didn't bother to entertain the plot after seeing the Zion rave. Casting that aside, I've really enjoyed the matrix series and I think it has one of the deepest plots ever conceived. So without further ado, here's an interesting theory on the matrix. Please feel free to post your own or poke holes in this one. One final note, you may want to view the latest Matrix Revolutions trailer before reading this:

<a href='http://www.aixgaming.com/filerush/download.php?target=rev_theatre_0x3839_640_dl.mov' target='_blank'>Matrix Revolutions Trailer</a>

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Zion is a program, just like the Matrix. How is Neo able to figure out that
he is able to stop the sentinels in Zion near the end of the film? The
spoon given to him earlier. It had obviously been bent loads, but how
outside the Matrix? This gave Neo the inspiration and the understanding
that Zion is still a matrix.

The One explained:

"The One" is a program, but has to be "attached" to someone in the Matrix.
So Mr. Anderson got it in the 6th version of the Matrix. Then "The One"
program's purpose is to allow Zion to be destroyed then to rebuild it. The
reason for this is because of anomalies - the 1% of humans that don't
accept the Matrix. These are all brought out of the Matrix program and into
the Zion program by the "Morpheus" program and other similar "ship captain"
programs. Then once all the anomalies are out of the Matrix (and in Zion),
that is the time for Zion to be destroyed, thus killing all the anomalies
off. The Matrix is then upgraded, thus creating the next version of the
Matrix, but Zion must be rebuilt so that the next lot of anomalies can be
brought out again so that they can be destroyed. This is the feedback-loop,
and is the reason to retain a handful of people so that Zion can be rebuilt.
So this is why Neo said the prophecy was a lie - the One's purpose was not
to end the war as the prophecy stated.
Unfortunately, "The One" program must be re-used each time, or copied, so it
can be "attached" to a new anomaly inside the Matrix. So what happens to
the old "The One" program? It faces deletion, and as the Oracle explained,
it goes into exile instead, just like the French bloke (the Merovingian)
did. He was the first One (probably from the second version of the Matrix),
and once he fulfilled his duty, he became an exile program and "abdicated"
his "Oneness" by choosing Persephone and power. This is evident in the bogs
when Persephone asks Neo to kiss her. She says she wants him to kiss her so
she can feel what it is like again to be kissed by something close to
human, just like the Merovingian used to be. Then she says to Trinity that
she envies her, but that these things are not meant to last. So the
Merovingian used to be just like Neo - a One - thus proving further the
feedback-loop explained earlier.

The correct door in the Architect's room

Now there are two possibilities here:
1. All the previous One's chose the right door allowing a "temporary
dissemination" of their code into the Matrix (i.e., the code they "carry"
thus indicating Neo is indeed human), then he must select (unplug) 23
people from the Matrix to rebuild Zion. This takes away the possibility
that stories from previous rebuilds of Zion will be carried through. But
Morpheus indicated in the first Matrix that this is the case anyway. He
said, "there was a man born inside, able to change things, it was he who
freed the first of us," - basically the One previous to Neo. And this
proves that the previous One chose the right door also. Neo's purpose is
also to choose the right door, but he does not because he faces deletion
afterwards and has the choice of going into exile - programs choosing to go
into exile is the one thing that can't be accounted for in program
parameters. Thus, he chooses the left door instead this time. How was Neo
able to choose the other door? Because of his extreme willpower? - Even the
Architect indicated that he'd noticed this - "Interesting. That was quicker
than the others." Or more likely, because the Oracle upgraded his coding
with the candy on the park bench. The candy/cookie was a method to change
the One's program. She said he has made a believer out of her - this is
quite human-like and perhaps the previous One's didn't accept the upgrade
candy, now she has hope... hope that Neo will finally choose the other
door.

2. All the previous One's chose the left door, saving Trinity and letting
Zion fall. So this time is no different. But the Architect does say, "You
are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant
terminated, its entire existence eradicated," and also, "this will be the
sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient
at it," - assuming the Architect isn't lying, then they have already
destroyed Zion (i.e., Zion has fallen) five times - i.e., the result of
going through the left door.

Morpheus and Trinity are programs. Morpheus's purpose was to find the One
and deliver him to the Architect. Trinity's purpose is to control the One
by getting in love with him. Trinity is supposed to be the mother of the
new One every time the Matrix is Reloaded. That's why the sex scene was so
important and why she was named Trinity.

The Architect says, "she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can
do to stop it." He was correct though because she did die just like Neo did
in the first Matrix (Oracle said he or Morpheus would, and she didn't lie,
but he came back to life). Trinity dies, but comes back to life (we are
using medical definition of death in all this of course!).

The Architect has already laid down an ultimatum for Neo choosing the left
door:
The Architect - "Failure to comply with this process will result in a
cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which
coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the
extinction of the entire human race."

Neo - "You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to
survive."

The Architect - "There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept.
However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the
responsibility for the death of every human being in this world."

Looking at this further, the Architect does say "coupled" with the
extermination of Zion will the human race be exterminated. So he says
everyone connected to the Matrix will die, but if Zion is not exterminated,
the human race will not necessarily die. Also, there is likely to be a
time-window between not going through the right door, and the cataclysmic
crash, thus allowing Neo to unplug as many as possible from the Matrix, then
those people won't die. This will be the start of the next Zion. As for the
Matrix, a cataclysmic crash doesn't mean the end of the Matrix - just needs
rebooting or reloading!

Agent Smith explained:

Agent Smith is the only "human" in this world. He's the one spreading
himself like a virus replicating himself over and over until the Matrix
will finally get overloaded and fail. Smith is the one who wants to get out
of the Matrix for good. He said so in the first Matrix, "I must get out of
here, I must get free! And in this mind, is the key," squeezing Morpheus's
temples, "my key! Once Zion is destroyed, there is no need for me to be
here!"
Smith knows that by killing Neo he can escape the Matrix because Neo is the
key to resetting the Matrix, or to shut it off. It was originally killing
Neo (in the first Matrix) that allowed Smith to become powerful (cloning
ability) - so killing Neo again will allow him to gain Neo's powers
completely, and thus gain the power to shut down the Matrix.
So where the **** did Smith come from if he wants to destroy the Matrix?
He's obviously not meant to be there - he's a computer virus as he has
every characteristic of a virus - he multiplies and spreads and infects
(and emulates) other programs like one. He is exactly as he described
humans at the end of the first Matrix - "You move to an area and you
multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only
way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism
on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A
virus."
But who put him there? This will only be revealed in Revolutions
(Revelations?) I guess - but I'm betting on humans in the real real world,
i.e., outside of Zion and the Matrix. They're at war with the machines and
trying to destroy them by infecting them with this virus - Agent Smith. So
the irony with this theory is that Agent Smith represents the human race!!
Neo represents the machines! Agent Smith says to Neo just after he's seen
the Oracle that he became free when Neo destroyed him in the first Matrix
(remember when Neo entered his body and exploded him from inside out) - as
a virus, Smith has the ability to "inherit" other programs' abilities and
thus inherited some of Neo's.

The anomaly explained:

The anomaly is all the humans that do not accept the Matrix. The Architect
says "Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation
inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an
anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate
from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it
remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not
beyond a measure of control." This includes Neo, but Neo's Matrix avatar is
attached with the One program so that he can follow his purpose as
explained earlier under "The One explained". However, he is also supposed
to protect himself and destroy anything that gets in his way - i.e., Agent
Smith - so that he may fulfill his purpose.
Further proving Neo - and other non-accepters of the Matrix - are the
anomaly, the Architect says, "Your life is the sum of a remainder of an
unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix." The clue
here is Neo's program name - "The One". Take one-third for example. 1 over
3 is 0.33333 recurring. A computer cannot deal with recurring numbers, so
must accept a limit, let's say 0.33333 for argument's sake. Multiply by 3,
you get 0.99999 - never 1.00000, where has the "remainder" 0.00001 (One)
gone? This is the limitation of computers, this is the mathematical
imprecision inherent in programming (of the Matrix) and the eventuality of
the One anomaly unable to be eliminated.

What is the equation then? :

Not sure, but it definitely involves pi. The Keymaker refers to the window
of time to open the door to the mainframe as 314 seconds. 3.14 is pi to
three sig. figs., or the number of radians in half a circle. Half a circle
is like the cross-section of a womb, similar to the alcove of Neo and
Trinity's love scene - conceiving the next One? "NEO", incidentally, is an
anagram of "ONE". Trinity and Neo - one on one; a choice - one or one. Leads
us to 101. "101" is mentioned numerous times in Matrix 1 and Reloaded.
Neo's room at the beginning, Merovingian is on the 101st floor, the 101
freeway of the car chase in Reloaded, then when Trinity is hacking into the
power plant system, she resets the password to Z10N0101. Freaky. Indicates
that she is a program because that's not some random password she's put in.
101 is binary for 5, which in zero-based binary counting: 000 is 1, 001, is
2, 010 is 3, 011 is 4, 100 is 5, 101 is 6 - And this is the 6th version of
the Matrix! Then there are 303. 303 is the room Neo got shot in Matrix 1,
the Oracle lives in room 303, it's also the hotel room number Trinity is in
Matrix 1 and it's seen at the end when Neo fights the Agents and Smith and
begins to literally see the code that makes up the Matrix. 101 x 3 = 303, a
trilogy, 3 + 0 + 3 = 6 = the 6th Matrix. Trinity means 3.

Who is the "mother" that the Architect refers to? :

The Architect says, "Please," in an almost disapproving sense when Neo
suggests the Oracle, but does not reveal who it really is or even directly
that Neo is wrong. The architect was the one who created the Matrix; the
co-creator is neither Persephone nor the Oracle. Both of them are only
programs that have a purpose in the matrix, just like the rest. The
Architect is in charge of the Matrix world and the co-creator is in charge
of Zion. She has almost the same age as the Architect. Therefore, that
woman is the Head Counselor, the only woman of importance that lives in
Zion and the one who asked for the two captains to volunteer at the council
meeting. She's the one who knew all along about the Matrix. She was the one
who told Zion's Defense Minister to cool off and to let Morpheus do his
work so things could go as planned.
Or alternatively, it could indeed be the Oracle. She is the only program
that truly wants humans to have a free choice... at the same time, she sees
the future, because she knows the program code - she is like God - which is
why Seraph protects her - see "Who is Seraph?" below.

What's so special about Neo's avatar? :

Neo is a skilled hacker, and his avatar in the Matrix is based on the person
that founded the AI of the original machines that eventually took over the
world... How? Take a look at the disc he gave to the bloke at the door at
the beginning of Matrix 1. It said "DISC AI" on it. The hollowed book Neo
takes the disc out of is "Simulacra and Simulation" - a collection of
essays by the French postmodernist philosopher Jean Baudrillard. He opens it
to the section "on Nihilism" (meaning nothing is truly known, etc.).
"Baudrillard's concept of simulation is the creation of the real through
conceptual or 'mythological' models which have no connection or origin in
reality. The model becomes the determinant of our perception of
reality--the real." And Morpheus says, "Welcome to the desert of the real,"
in Matrix 1. I'd say this book describes The Matrix to a tee. So this disc
contains the key to the AI, and thus how to destroy the machines, so I
think they'll use this info in Revolutions to ultimately destroy the
machines, which means he'll have to go back to the nightclub and find the
guy he gave it to.

Who is Seraph? :

The reason Seraph (the guy Neo meets before meeting the Oracle) had golden
code and was so spectacular is that he came from the first incarnation of
the matrix, which was heaven. "Seraph" is singular for the plural
"seraphim". The seraphim are the highest choir of angels and included
amongst others: Lucifer, Gabriele, Raziel and Malaciah, and they sit on the
8th level of Heaven just one below God. So Seraph will obviously have a big
part in Revolutions, but whose side will he be on - the machines or the
humans? That is the question.

The Twins:

They are exiled programs that emulate the human myth of ghosts as the Oracle
explained. They are programs behaving badly. Persephone killed one of the
Merovingian's bodyguards with a silver bullet because he was emulating a
werewolf. So if the Twins could phase into ghost form, why didn't he when
his arm was trapped in the door of the garage? Was it because he was
wounded or because he can't phase when his arm is trapped? No of course not.
The doors of that building, when shut, always led somewhere else (usually
in the mountains) when opened again without the Keymaker's key. So if it
were slammed shut due to the Twin phasing into ghost form, the Twin's arm
would've ended up god knows where, but certainly not attached to the Twin's
body.
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Comments

  • UltimaGeckoUltimaGecko hates endnotes Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16320Members
    Right after the second movie came out there was a thread trying to discern the meaning of that 'Architect/Neo' interaction. I'm not sure where it is, I'm sure someone could find it if they did a search, but I'm to lazy.

    I like the idea in this approach (except the aforementioned, but lost, thread has better reasoning as to how Neo is the remainder and stuff, it was interesting, probably should have bookmarked it or something). Of course...you probably shouldn't read to much into movies. Eventually you find to many plot holes or problems and it ruins it.

    It's just to much fun to guess....I guess.
  • MonkfishMonkfish Sonic-boom-inducing buttcheeks of terrifying speed&#33; Join Date: 2003-06-03 Member: 16972Members
    i dissagree about your smith theorie , heres what i think



    ok when neo destroyed smith in the first film , he was destroyed and was sent back to the machine mainframe for "reasimilation" back into the matrix , but (like he says in the second movie) he rejected the code , and so he exiled into the matrix as a bad program/virus and now is copying himself in hope that he can kill neo (or something like that)
  • Nil_IQNil_IQ Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15520Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Take one-third for example. 1 over
    3 is 0.33333 recurring. A computer cannot deal with recurring numbers, so
    must accept a limit, let's say 0.33333 for argument's sake. Multiply by 3,
    you get 0.99999 - never 1.00000 <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Well, technically 0.999 recurring IS one. There is a mathematical way to prove it, which is kind of worrying if you think about it, but I digress. (My maths teacher calls it the "bricklayer" problem, if a bricklayer tries to fill a one brick hole, but can only find a half-brick, then a quarter-brick, then and eigth-brick e.t.c, will he ever fill the hole?)

    I didn't pick up that Merosomething (crazy french guy, that's easier <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> ) was an old version of the One, /me wonders if there will be a little showdown between Neo and Crazy French guy <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Also the crazy bum guy from Enter the Matrix will play some part in the story, since i'm sure I saw him in one of the traillers (methinks he was also the one).
  • MelatoninMelatonin Babbler Join Date: 2003-03-15 Member: 14551Members, Constellation
    all these so called intellectuals are missing the most important point about the matrix films, which is neo can punch things really <i> really </i> fast.
    all these crazy theories, maybe those guys should lay of the shmoke :/
  • JimJim Join Date: 2002-11-26 Member: 9989Members
    that all made sense up to the bit about the numbers, that just got silly <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    I've seen deeper plots than the matrix, heck, there's a lot of stuff out there deeper than the matrix; it's just something that happens to have attracted a bunch of fanboys who like to think it's all so intellectual ^~
    Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the matrix series or anything but the endless heaps of praise it recieves for being 'deep' bug me. It's certainly got more depth that the standard action flicks you'll see gushing out of US film industries and it's a step in the right direction... it'll probably end up being the modern day star wars for all I care but it's just a reasonably enjoyable movie for the more jaded amongst us =3

    The rave/sex scene was possibly one of the longest, most drawn out, pointlessly boring things I've seen in a film to date and why they went through with the computer generated orgasm is beyond me ~sigh~
    Did I mention that the explanation of the vampires and odd stuff being left-overs from the older versions of the matrix feels like just a convienent yet cruddy excuse just to shove the ghost guys in the film? =/
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Nil_IQ+Sep 27 2003, 11:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nil_IQ @ Sep 27 2003, 11:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Take one-third for example. 1 over
    3 is 0.33333 recurring. A computer cannot deal with recurring numbers, so
    must accept a limit, let's say 0.33333 for argument's sake. Multiply by 3,
    you get 0.99999 - never 1.00000 <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Well, technically 0.999 recurring IS one. There is a mathematical way to prove it, which is kind of worrying if you think about it, but I digress. (My maths teacher calls it the "bricklayer" problem, if a bricklayer tries to fill a one brick hole, but can only find a half-brick, then a quarter-brick, then and eigth-brick e.t.c, will he ever fill the hole?)

    I didn't pick up that Merosomething (crazy french guy, that's easier <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> ) was an old version of the One, /me wonders if there will be a little showdown between Neo and Crazy French guy <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Also the crazy bum guy from Enter the Matrix will play some part in the story, since i'm sure I saw him in one of the traillers (methinks he was also the one). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Here it is...

    0.999999x10 = 9.999999
    9.999999-0.999999= 9
    So then 10x0.999999-1x0.999999= 9
    Which means 9x0.999999=9, thus 0.999999=1


    BUT, what he was reffering to is that 0.99999 (5 9's after the dot, assuming it is the computer limit) multiplied by 10 is 9.99990 (the 1st 9 became the digit value, and the last 9 moved up to 4th decimal. The last 0 is the 0 in the 6th place put by the computer limit in 0.99999(0)


    Interesting theory though. I think the 101s and 303s is a bit far fetched :/
  • relsanrelsan Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3720Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Geminosity+Sep 27 2003, 02:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Geminosity @ Sep 27 2003, 02:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I've seen deeper plots than the matrix, heck, there's a lot of stuff out there deeper than the matrix; it's just something that happens to have attracted a bunch of fanboys who like to think it's all so intellectual ^~
    Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the matrix series or anything but the endless heaps of praise it recieves for being 'deep' bug me. It's certainly got more depth that the standard action flicks you'll see gushing out of US film industries and it's a step in the right direction... it'll probably end up being the modern day star wars for all I care but it's just a reasonably enjoyable movie for the more jaded amongst us =3

    The rave/sex scene was possibly one of the longest, most drawn out, pointlessly boring things I've seen in a film to date and why they went through with the computer generated orgasm is beyond me ~sigh~
    Did I mention that the explanation of the vampires and odd stuff being left-overs from the older versions of the matrix feels like just a convienent yet cruddy excuse just to shove the ghost guys in the film? =/ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Ok its not the deepest thing in the world but compared to the barrage of crap that comes out of movie theatres these days, it's very deep. I'm not saying its the greatest concept of all time but its definitely a lot more interesting than a lot of the plots we see coming out of Hollywood these days. Plus I think it indirectly keys in on a lot of real world philosophies. It has at least as much entertainment value as good ol ns. I personally I am not attracted to the plot because its intellectual. I think it's interesting because the film conceptually parallels life and spirituality on many levels and it seems like there may be an underlying message to all this aside from the typical "life is not real and we are all in the matrix." This theory keyed on a lot of hints that I missed in the movie and that's why I thought it was interesting.

    I agree that thing about the numbers was the weakest link in the theory and I don't believe all of this to be completely correct but it does have some good points. I don't know about pi and the half circle but the code of Z10N101 symbolizing the 5th instantiation of zion was pretty interesting.
  • BogglesteinskyBogglesteinsky Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11488Members
    the half circle thing is correct, but i feel its a bit pushed. the number of radians in a complete circle is 2*pi

    I found the first one really interesting because of the spiritual and moral issues in the plot. I didnt find the second one as interesting as the first, but hopefully the third will make up for it. Personally, i think we have seen the ending already...
  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    yeah, I think I just jumped the gun a bit because I know a few people who actually dress up with shades and black coats and won't shut up about the matrix lol.

    Like I said, I'll happily agree it's deeper than the usual run-of-the-mill SFX blowouts that seem to be common these days (though there's a few gems recently that are great fun to watch, shallow or otherwise XD ) and it's definitely a step in the right direction <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    okies, I think I'll stop hi-jacking the topic now ^^;
  • Anonymous_CowardAnonymous_Coward Join Date: 2003-08-15 Member: 19768Members
    Oh come on...

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Z10N0101. Freaky. Indicates
    that she is a program because that's not some random password she's put in.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Z10N, ZION? Please. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
    0101 is just to get past the 8 character limit put in place on some systems.

    The truth is that there are currently many, many possible story plots to the Matrix. Some are good and some just suck. Personally, I never really believed the matrix in a matrix theory. Half because it just sucks. The other half has to do with what he did at the end of M2, which was basically magic. Affecting the world in a way that you didn't think possible yet. And there are many, many reasons for magic. Just pick one and you have your plot line. Clearly not enough evidence, even with the little hints you see all over the place.

    The 'one' is not a program. Or rather it is, but it would be a program imbedded in a deep level of this thing we call conciousness. Not a program held in some memory of some computer system somewhere. It is not 'implanted' in him, but develops naturally in some people. Morpheus is just a poor fool that didn't realize that what is held as gospel truth depends on the gospel. Belief comes from somewhere and failing to understand where it comes from will lead you to this. Trinity is just your token love interest. Or rather she would be, if she didn't hold some qualities of the 'one' herself. Her relationship with Neo solidifies those parts in him that the machines are looking for. (No jokes please. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> That was horrible, sorry.) Society makes up a part of the Matrix that keeps the humans under control. But there is some level that the machines can't compensate for. I would venture to guess that if this same control was applied to the machines themselves they would also face similar problems, but it's not. I doubt that after the machine revolution found in the animatrix that they would let themselves have severely limited freedoms. This all culminates in someone like Neo who finds himself with those abilities he has.

    I'm going to have to say that humans just die at the end of their story, of old age or other causes, but the machines are capable of living on in some form for a while. So you are not going to meet even the remains of those who were formerly the 'one' or even any of those humans that were involved. The different versions of the Matrix may also have been vastly different from the one we see now. Perhaps when they were first starting out they didn't have as huge a 'farm' of humans as they do now. So they might only have needed smaller village settings where vampires and werewolfs were the agents. Either taking those stories out of previous human culture or developing them as they go along. (Whose to say that the original culture of these enslaved humans had the exact same stories, legends, and folklore that we do now.) I completely agree with your bit about Seraph. It just fits so well and, more importantly, doesn't suck. Seraph is the coolest one out there.

    Merovingian and his wife are probably just lamenting the humanity that they once felt when the machines first gained conciousness. They may have lost this due to their continued development in such a hostile environment as Earth has become. No sunlight, no plants, no animals, no nature, and no texture except from the red sky, the grimy dirt, and the things they themselves create. None of the outside influences that truly shape culture and human development. They have grown stagnant and some of them, Smith especially, have developed an intense hatred for it and for being reminded of what humans still sometimes feel within their Matrix. Incidentally, I don't believe that Agent Smith is anything more than an aggresive program that gained some insight due to being taken over by Neo. Agents don't die of course. So when he did he was brought back, but Neo's mark was still on him.

    Also, I'm sure there are more than just one or two machines that want to give the human race a second chance. But you know how expressing your opinion blows over in a fascist or elitist society...

    There, everything is explained, but nothing is explained. As it should be. By the way, I'm more interested in the relationship between Trinity and Ghost than I am about why Neo can do what he did outside of the Matrix. Is it nanites, 'post-Vingian singularity' development, buddhist transcendence, or a radio transmitter in Neo's head? Who cares!
  • NecrosisNecrosis The Loquacious Sage Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18828Members, Constellation
    The whole left-right door thing.

    There would be no choice for exile. In fact, computers would probably disseminate you anyway. So we're left to the conclusion that the two door design was "faked". Find it odd how the Architects speech led Neo to certain conclusions? The Architect himself somewhat dramatic?

    It smacks of fakery - just feeding Neo a line to keep him under an element of control.

    There is no evidence that the Merovingian was a former One. He has some knowledge of code manipulation but since hes an intelligence gathering program its nothing out of the ordinary. True programs could avoid deletion because they can see their own "mortality" (if you will) and thus take action. Neo was following the Oracle's instructions, the Architect seemingly expected him, so its all a bit too neat for my liking.

    Where I think it all went pear shaped was the creation of the Smith virus - something obviously unexpected, and why further Agents have been upgraded in an Anti-One effort.

    According to some scripts, the Oracle would be one of those machine intelligences who believes the machines cannot exist in this stagnant cycle. So its possible that she is acting within the matrix in order to bring it down. Though I feel thats unlikely given the alleged number of matrices. And lets not forget she seems more concerned with keeping the status quo - disseminating the One and keeping Zion "alive".

    If Trinity, Morpheus, etc, are all programs.... surely they would look like programs. Although one could argue its a double bluff - and if they ARE programs, then it only continues the line of thinking that the Architect was faked also.

    The speech linking Zion to the Matrix - Zion would be destroyed by Sentinels. The effects of Smith changed this orchestrated move however. The Smiths taking over the Matrix was ALSO unexpected. Going to an "original" plan, Zion would be destroyed in entirety and the Matrix would crash - killing all humans plugged in.

    If Neo chose the other door.... Zion would be killed but the human race would live on.

    Was there any choice to begin with? Risk freeing humanity against keeping them alive in slavery?

    A cataclysmic crash wont stop the matrix...... but it would destroy humanity. You couldn't free them all, and consider how hard it is to free ONE human.. Agents could move in very quickly and act on possible attempts. Worth the risk?


    Smith...... is interesting. He knows about the matrices, but wants to destroy Zion. However, that could merely mean he wishes to destroy all humans and live in the "real" world - as opposed to being a zookeeper of sorts.

    Neo's rescue attempt was foreseen by the Oracle....... so was it all orchestrated to fit in with the "story" the machines are feeding to Neo?

    Now that Smith is "free"... he has no purpose. He has no "script" to work from. Assuming his core programming was "destroy zion" then he is STILL working to this plan..... only with the ability to understand that destroying the matrix would ALSO destroy zion.

    Who put him there? Melding with the One, if the film is to be believed. The action was unexpected, throwing the matrix into chaos. Moreso if the Smith-One mixed program means ALL smiths must be destroyed in order to truly disseminate the One.




    You can't draw any real conclusions from either Matrix or Matrix Reloaded. Every single thing can be interpreted as a bluff or double bluff. Its fun to speculate though, so my speculation is -

    Merovingian was not a previous One.
    Morph, Trin, etc, are all "real".
    The Oracle is a machine AI who relies on intuition and has decided it is better for man and machine to live together.
    The Architect is a machine AI who believes man's place is in the matrix.


    I believe that watching the Animatrix will give evidence that the machines are split between coexistance and extermination.
  • OttoDestructOttoDestruct Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
    I still subsribe to the theory that Neo is Jesus.
  • ComproxComprox *chortle* Canada Join Date: 2002-01-23 Member: 7Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Developer, Subnautica Playtester, Pistachionauts
    I agree with Otto, you guys are putting way too much effort in this! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • JammerJammer Join Date: 2002-06-03 Member: 728Members, Constellation
    The basic plot of revolutions. This is more or less confirmed from the trailer and other spoiler sites:
    SPOILER!!!!

    SKIP ME!!!


    <span style='color:purple'>
    There are 3 worlds:
    Real World
    Machine World (Kind of matrix where all the machines are connected)
    Matrix

    Neo and Bane now has a 'wireless' machine-world connection they got when Smith tried to copy himself onto them. Thats how he can destory the machines with his mind. Neo goes into a coma where he is in his wireless machine world connection and he learns about the matrix in the machine world. He gets dumped into the Matrix where the Merovingian is holding him at his club. They rescue him and the really freaking hot woman kills the Merovingian.

    Anyway, Zion comes under attack and Neo thinks he can save everything. He and trinity fly to 01 (the machine CITY) where he meets with AI (the big face thing from the trailer) who jacks him into the matrix to fight smith.

    THIS IS THE ENDING I HAVE HEARD, I DON'T THINK ITS 100% TRUE DON'T READ ME!
    Neo and Smith fight. Neo wins at first, but smith over takes him. Smith nearly copies himself over neo when AI jacks neo out, destroying smith and all his copies while killing neo(kinda like what ahppens if you rip out a memory card while saving). Zion is saved, but the matrix still exists.
    </span>

    I personally doubt that its the real ending. I doubt they Wachowskis would design a movie in such a way that the entire plot is WORTHLESS.

    The one thing I'm afraid about is that I'm pretty sure that the matrix exists after this movie, since Shiny is making a MMORPG about the Matrix. PLEASE HIRE THE SPECIALISTS TEAM!!!! :-)
  • LigerLiger Join Date: 2003-07-08 Member: 18026Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Cereal_KillR+Sep 27 2003, 09:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cereal_KillR @ Sep 27 2003, 09:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Nil_IQ+Sep 27 2003, 11:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nil_IQ @ Sep 27 2003, 11:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Take one-third for example. 1 over
    3 is 0.33333 recurring. A computer cannot deal with recurring numbers, so
    must accept a limit, let's say 0.33333 for argument's sake. Multiply by 3,
    you get 0.99999 - never 1.00000 <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Well, technically 0.999 recurring IS one. There is a mathematical way to prove it, which is kind of worrying if you think about it, but I digress. (My maths teacher calls it the "bricklayer" problem, if a bricklayer tries to fill a one brick hole, but can only find a half-brick, then a quarter-brick, then and eigth-brick e.t.c, will he ever fill the hole?)

    I didn't pick up that Merosomething (crazy french guy, that's easier <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> ) was an old version of the One, /me wonders if there will be a little showdown between Neo and Crazy French guy <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Also the crazy bum guy from Enter the Matrix will play some part in the story, since i'm sure I saw him in one of the traillers (methinks he was also the one). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Here it is...

    0.999999x10 = 9.999999
    9.999999-0.999999= 9
    So then 10x0.999999-1x0.999999= 9
    Which means 9x0.999999=9, thus 0.999999=1


    BUT, what he was reffering to is that 0.99999 (5 9's after the dot, assuming it is the computer limit) multiplied by 10 is 9.99990 (the 1st 9 became the digit value, and the last 9 moved up to 4th decimal. The last 0 is the 0 in the 6th place put by the computer limit in 0.99999(0)


    Interesting theory though. I think the 101s and 303s is a bit far fetched :/ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    .... I did not follow that at all... which to me proves that mathematitians are just strange people.

    The way I've head, and really most logical reasoning, is that as the number of 9's behind the decimal point increases, the difference becomes so infanitecimal that at a point, a perfect third (as we count them) would have so many nine's behind it that the area represented would not even be large enough for the smallest of sub-atomic particles to fit into.
    _______

    On the matrix: Who knows, the AI thing seem likely from the trailers I've seen...
  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    Most of it makes sense, until you get to the math part and the only word that can come to mind is "crackpot"

    Nevertheless, its all a very... interesting.. theory for sure. :)
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    edited September 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--Liger+Sep 29 2003, 11:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Liger @ Sep 29 2003, 11:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Cereal_KillR+Sep 27 2003, 09:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cereal_KillR @ Sep 27 2003, 09:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Nil_IQ+Sep 27 2003, 11:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nil_IQ @ Sep 27 2003, 11:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Take one-third for example. 1 over
    3 is 0.33333 recurring. A computer cannot deal with recurring numbers, so
    must accept a limit, let's say 0.33333 for argument's sake. Multiply by 3,
    you get 0.99999 - never 1.00000 <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Well, technically 0.999 recurring IS one. There is a mathematical way to prove it, which is kind of worrying if you think about it, but I digress. (My maths teacher calls it the "bricklayer" problem, if a bricklayer tries to fill a one brick hole, but can only find a half-brick, then a quarter-brick, then and eigth-brick e.t.c, will he ever fill the hole?)

    I didn't pick up that Merosomething (crazy french guy, that's easier <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> ) was an old version of the One, /me wonders if there will be a little showdown between Neo and Crazy French guy <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Also the crazy bum guy from Enter the Matrix will play some part in the story, since i'm sure I saw him in one of the traillers (methinks he was also the one). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Here it is...

    0.999999x10 = 9.999999
    9.999999-0.999999= 9
    So then 10x0.999999-1x0.999999= 9
    Which means 9x0.999999=9, thus 0.999999=1


    BUT, what he was reffering to is that 0.99999 (5 9's after the dot, assuming it is the computer limit) multiplied by 10 is 9.99990 (the 1st 9 became the digit value, and the last 9 moved up to 4th decimal. The last 0 is the 0 in the 6th place put by the computer limit in 0.99999(0)


    Interesting theory though. I think the 101s and 303s is a bit far fetched :/ <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    .... I did not follow that at all... which to me proves that mathematitians are just strange people.

    The way I've head, and really most logical reasoning, is that as the number of 9's behind the decimal point increases, the difference becomes so infanitecimal that at a point, a perfect third (as we count them) would have so many nine's behind it that the area represented would not even be large enough for the smallest of sub-atomic particles to fit into.
    _______

    On the matrix: Who knows, the AI thing seem likely from the trailers I've seen... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well look at it this way... 0.99999 (with an infinite of 9's) multiplied by 10 makes 9.9999 (with an infinite of 9's)

    9.999999
    10x0.99999999-1x0.99999999= 9x 0.999999

    >9.99999999
    - 0.99999999
    ------------------
    >9.00000000

    So if 9x 0.999999 = 9, then divide by 9 both sides. 9x0.999999 becomes 0.999999 and 9 becomes 1
    Thus 0.99999 is 1 <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Basically, if you multiply by 10, as there is an infinite number of 9's, there won't be a "last 9" that would become 0. All 9's remain 9's, and the digit becomes a 9. By substracting them, all decimal values are removed (9-9=0) and the digit stays 9. So basically you got 9x[that number]= 9.
    HOWEVER, a computer can't create "infinity" so there is always a last 9. By multiplying by 10, that number goes up a spot while it's former spot is filled with a 0

    example: 0.346 -> 3.46<b>0</b>




    But the whole point of Z10N0101 is because 1 and 0's are cool and look computery. It's no eveil scheme of 6's in whatever. I belive that the Matrix wasn't designed as being so deep as this.



    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Now that Smith is "free"... he has no purpose.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    <b>Smith</b> I'm unplugged, a new man, so to speak, like you, apparently free.
    <b>Neo</b> Congratulations
    <b>Smith</b> Thank you. But, as you well know apperances can be decieving. Which brings us back to the reason why we are here. We are not here because we are free, we are here because we are not free. There is no denying purpose, because as we both know without purpose, we would not exist. It is purpose that created us. Purpose that connects us. Purpose that pulls us, that guides us, that drives us. It is purpose that defines, purpose that binds us. We are here because of you Mr. Anderson we are here to take from you what you tried to take from us. Purpose!
  • NecrosisNecrosis The Loquacious Sage Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18828Members, Constellation
    Yah, thats what I mean.

    Smith lost his purpose when he became (if you will) a "free agent".

    However, since stopping Zion is all he knows..... it is all he will continue to do.

    Hence what seems to be confusion in his actions, as he tries to give himself a purpose.

    I dunno if that makes sense?
  • MajinMajin Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16829Members, Constellation
    I don't think that the 3rd movie will be the true end to the Matrix... there will be another.
  • Smoke_NovaSmoke_Nova Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8697Members
    the third movie is the end, the Wachowski's wrote it as a trilogy.
  • NecrosisNecrosis The Loquacious Sage Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18828Members, Constellation
    Its also the start of the online game.

    So I think the term "end" is a bit optimistic.
  • DiscoZombieDiscoZombie Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18951Members
    anyone else with me when I say part of me wishes the Wachowskis stopped after the first Matrix? I mean, don't get me wrong -- I enjoyed the second one and the Animatrix and I'm looking forward to the third movie... but, the first movie... well, it had a solid ending -- a HAPPY ending at that. Neo seemed all-powerful, which was cool, and we assumed he shut down the matrix for good, which was also cool. There were no loose ends.

    Then came the second movie. Neo got his azz kicked regularly, which was not cool. A million plot doors were opened -- many more than could possibly be closed. The first movie answered all the questions it posed; the second one left so many questions that it, quite frankly, made no sense. It's like the whole movie was forced, like a money making scheme, and, therefore, a lot of its integrity was sacrificed. the fact that people HAVE to write these pages-long theories about things the movie should have explained is a testiment to its shortcomings.

    In fact, I'd say that if the first movie hadn't been so good, no one would care to write theories about the Matrix universe... if the first movie had been as filled with as many unanswered questions and plot holes as the second, people would probably have dismissed it as another cheeky sci-fi B-movie... so, yeah, I'll watch the third, and I hope it'll make some sense without being too contrived...
  • Anonymous_CowardAnonymous_Coward Join Date: 2003-08-15 Member: 19768Members
    edited October 2003
    The only reason there were so few plotholes in the first one was because they left a lot of that universe undefined. I really don't care if it has a million unanswered questions, as long as the plot makes some sense. Movie makers of the past few decades consistently make the mistake of giving you everything on a silver platter. While there is a large contingent that whines regularly whenever they don't show each and every detail, a work that makes you think is more than worth that. Imnsho, it would have sucked if they just left Matrix as it was. It wasn't all <b>that</b> great anyway, it just surprised people so that they thought it was so much better than it actually was.

    It was not superior in originality nor was it in acting. The only area in which it excelled was in the use of special effects. But I'm sure you've heard all this before...

    The superman ending was lacking besides. You get basically the same ending in M2 and see how fulfilling <b>that</b> was. The only reason the first one didn't suck was because you didn't have any sort of idea what life outside the Matrix was really like. Zion was this 'paradise' for humans that needed to be protected and could easily be done so. You learn in the 2nd one that this is not the case. So you find that there is NO god, NO heaven, and the rulers of hell are very close to winning. This is a lot more interesting, to me anyway.

    Oh yes. How can we forget 'The Matrix Online'. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> As long as they don't make it into some kind of trading card game with minor rpg elements, I'll be there.
  • Owen1Owen1 Join Date: 2003-04-13 Member: 15457Members
    edited October 2003
    your theory is wrong.

    1.) the spoon given to Neo isnt bent... just in bad shape cuz its in poverty stricken future

    2.) if this were true than in theory any program still in the matrix could hack into the real (fake) world, not just agent smith.

    3.) neo isnt just the 1 in the matrix, its as if he's some technological prophet. he can stop machines in the real world by sending out a sort of biological emp in any direction he chooses.

    4.) I'm pretty sure the W bros. made the films plotline so that it was some kinda happy ending rather than at the end of Jhonny gets a gun (the film used in the video for metallica's 'One')

    5.) yer mum
  • BogglesteinskyBogglesteinsky Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11488Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--DiscoZombie+Oct 1 2003, 06:16 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DiscoZombie @ Oct 1 2003, 06:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> anyone else with me when I say part of me wishes the Wachowskis stopped after the first Matrix? I mean, don't get me wrong -- I enjoyed the second one and the Animatrix and I'm looking forward to the third movie... but, the first movie... well, it had a solid ending -- a HAPPY ending at that. Neo seemed all-powerful, which was cool, and we assumed he shut down the matrix for good, which was also cool. There were no loose ends.

    Then came the second movie. Neo got his azz kicked regularly, which was not cool. A million plot doors were opened -- many more than could possibly be closed. The first movie answered all the questions it posed; the second one left so many questions that it, quite frankly, made no sense. It's like the whole movie was forced, like a money making scheme, and, therefore, a lot of its integrity was sacrificed. the fact that people HAVE to write these pages-long theories about things the movie should have explained is a testiment to its shortcomings.

    In fact, I'd say that if the first movie hadn't been so good, no one would care to write theories about the Matrix universe... if the first movie had been as filled with as many unanswered questions and plot holes as the second, people would probably have dismissed it as another cheeky sci-fi B-movie... so, yeah, I'll watch the third, and I hope it'll make some sense without being too contrived... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    My point exactly. I believe we have already seen the end of the trilogy
  • Browser_ICEBrowser_ICE Join Date: 2002-11-04 Member: 6944Members
    One thing I don't understand.

    In the second movie, they rescued the only survivor in the Zeon attack. They said everyone was dead except that guy.

    Now in the 3rd movie, the trailer referes to Zeon as still existing and that Neo has to save them from destruction.

    If Zeon was destroyed in the 2nd movie, how come they are still talking about it the 3rd movie as still existing with all it's people <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Smoke_NovaSmoke_Nova Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8697Members
    Browser, they were referring to Bane as the only survivor of the Hovercraft counter-attack against the sentinel army. Zion is still around safe and secure for now.
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