Why Do American No Use Cheating Death

Clan_Hunter

If I wanted to use something I had to update every 2 weeks because its security got cracked, I'd install windows.

Cold_NiTe

I mean this as a question, and not a rhetorical one at that but;

Why would a server require you to not have CD? Is there something I'm missing?


Oh and don't give me that junk about VAC global banning you, as far as I have heard, it doesn't work with NS.

Quaunaut

<!--QuoteBegin--Cold-NiTe+Sep 27 2003, 08:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ Sep 27 2003, 08:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I mean this as a question, and not a rhetorical one at that but;

Why would a server require you to not have CD? Is there something I'm missing?


Oh and don't give me that junk about VAC global banning you, as far as I have heard, it doesn't work with NS. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dunno. All I know is that when I try and join a CS/DoD game, it says to refer to the CD manual. I do, and all it says is that I have to close CD.

Cold_NiTe

Well if it is outside of NS then the server must be running VAC, Valve's anti-cheat proggy. VAC detects CD, and would permanently globaly ban your cd-key/wonid, however CD automatically boots you from the server to prevent that. Thats what I understand it to be. Hey, I am curious about the whole 3 servers a minute though. I mean WOW, <b>HL on crack</b> or what? How is that possible??

InfraRed

<!--QuoteBegin--Cold-NiTe+Sep 27 2003, 10:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ Sep 27 2003, 10:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Oh and don't give me that junk about VAC global banning you,  as far as I have <u><b>heard</b></u>, it doesn't work with NS.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, hear this. VAC detects a cheat by scanning the memory. If it finds a cheat, then your cdkey is banned until 2008 as it stands at the moment. VAC is designed to prevent cheaters from playing, when NS uses VAC, your cdkey will be globaly banned for using a cheat. All I would do then is change to another cdkey <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

Cold_NiTe

Wait wait, hold the phones... Does it work with NS as of this moment or not?? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->

rennex

<!--QuoteBegin--Cold-NiTe+Sep 28 2003, 12:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ Sep 28 2003, 12:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Wait wait, hold the phones... Does it work with NS as of this moment or not?? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
VAC isn't used by NS at the moment. Not until 2.1 is released, at the earliest.

RabidWeasel

VAC doesn't work with NS

AND

CD autodetects VAC if you join a VAC server and prevents you from joining so your cdkey doesn't get pwned.

Forlorn

Flay, please screw VAC, it blows, stick with C-D. I know from talking with countless hackers, (net-tez, myg0t) that C-D is 1000 times more preventive towards any hack than VAC is.

And now to add to the list of the hackers I know that claim C-D is more annoying to them, we have InfraRed.

C-D is also updated MUCH more frequently than VAC; and esp. since Valve is concentrating on Steam and HL2, I doubt it to be updated frequently if at all.


Ditch all plans for VAC and stick with C-D, it works better, is updated weekly, has no lag, no strain on the client, small DL, it really is a dream come true for preventing h4x.

Now, onto the topic of this thread:

#cri. is a clan that won't play very often on non-CD servers, simply because yes, we are paranoid, and it's within the range of our reality that <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>*GASP*</span> there are clans out there with hackers who want nothing more than to win, no matter the cost.

I remember when we started to enforce this rule in our clan of C-D only servers, and we scrimmed exigent, they kept trying to join with C-D on and got kicked for over an hour, and eventually we had to eat dinner. It's quite annoying when other clans are too lazy/incompetant to DL a file smaller than... actually, C-D is the smallest DL I can think of on the internet...

Kissamies

Hehe, I used to hate CD because it was constantly getting updated, but this was only before I realised that I can make the program get its own updates. It may not be a big file, but it was annoying to fetch and install a new version every time I wanted to have a little game session. Running it is no problem, I let ASE turn it on when needed.

anonamous

i agree that VAC is ****, C-D stops you using cheats, VAC asks if you have any, C-D is going to work much beter than NS, and i dont see why C-D cant become part of NS itself. when was the last time you saw a hack in a NS server that used C-D?. when was the last time you saw a hack in a CS/dod server running VAC?

InfraRed

Just so I dont get banned from these forums for saying I cheat, I only cheat in CS and have never even considered it for any other mod than CS. Especialy NS due to it having such a good community and being a fun game. I cheat in CS to have fun, it aint cheating infact its raging, what could be more fun than having a 360degree aimbot and 1000x speed with a knife. You could knife the entire team within 5-10 seconds on maps like fy_iceworld <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Look i'll post a screenshot I took (with removed cheat name)... The real problem comes when someone cheats to look good, to get a high score whilst hiding the fact they are cheating. They are the real lamers as its very dishonest, at least when I cheat I do it out loud and blatantly, its also funny the stuff people come out with. ('ive recorded a demo and have your wonid which im gonna send to valve' etc etc) Its also got me into C++ programming which is something I would have never thought about and will open many doors for me sometime down the line I hope.
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Cereal_KillR

I don't know what's more disgraceful. That you blatantly cheat in a game, no matter how hard you hate it (hey it's people like you that make CS community so bad) or that you play on UK2.NET

SmilingAssassin

<!--QuoteBegin--Cereal_KillR+Sep 28 2003, 03:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cereal_KillR @ Sep 28 2003, 03:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't know what's more disgraceful. That you blatantly cheat in a game, no matter how hard you hate it (hey it's people like you that make CS community so bad) or that you play on UK2.NET <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agree completely with you Cereal_KillR. I kind of like CS, but I hate playing it on public servers because you're bound to get someone who cheats or is just generally lame. If you want to rage, rage against someone who deserves it...like the phone/cable companies, or your bank. I'm sure they've done more to tick you off in the past little while than CS has <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->.

-SA

Jummeh

<!--QuoteBegin--Cereal_KillR+Sep 28 2003, 09:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cereal_KillR @ Sep 28 2003, 09:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't know what's more disgraceful. That you blatantly cheat in a game, no matter how hard you hate it (hey it's people like you that make CS community so bad) or that you play on UK2.NET <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
roflmao

But yeah, why do you cheat like that. I reckon if cs was free of all the name calling and the idiot hackers its actually quite a fun game. And i can't believe you actually openly admit to cheating, I don't care if it's on another mod, but people worked hard on that mod for your (or everyones enjoyment). Try to sound less proud of your cheating antics, even don't post them in your posts ok?

Back on-topic. Yeah if you get annoyed that you have to open and close c-d the, just use ASE, its great cos it does it for you. As for changing 2-3 servers a minute... why would you want to do that, did you know that you can browse servers?

sugarmychurro

One person I know cannot run CD on their computer for some strange reason. When running CD an connecting to servers, it hangs before it gets to console and gives him this error. Any suggestions to fix?

Paranoia2MB

Kinda wierd, but oh well I supposed. I use Cheating Death all the time except for when I play DOD 'cause DOD wont run with CD running also. One thing that kind of sucks about CD is that it's possible to get around.

Jummeh

Thats VAC sucking not c-d <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

anonamous

is he using dod retail, i found that it did that with mine

Birdy

<!--QuoteBegin--InfraRed+Sep 28 2003, 10:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (InfraRed @ Sep 28 2003, 10:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Just so I dont get banned from these forums for saying I cheat, I only cheat in CS and have never even considered it for any other mod than CS. Especialy NS due to it having such a good community and being a fun game. I cheat in CS to have fun, it aint cheating infact its raging, what could be more fun than having a 360degree aimbot and 1000x speed with a knife. You could knife the entire team within 5-10 seconds on maps like fy_iceworld <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Look i'll post a screenshot I took (with removed cheat name)... The real problem comes when someone cheats to look good, to get a high score whilst hiding the fact they are cheating. They are the real lamers as its very dishonest, at least when I cheat I do it out loud and blatantly, its also funny the stuff people come out with. ('ive recorded a demo and have your wonid which im gonna send to valve' etc etc) Its also got me into C++ programming which is something I would have never thought about and will open many doors for me sometime down the line I hope.
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Bad score for a cheater <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

XCan

Question: Does VAC care about NS at all? ATM VAC only updates(seldom) for CS-cheats. DoD is basicly pretty much ignored. Will VAC care about NS?

InfraRed

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Bad score for a cheater  <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
:O

<3

Cartman2be

lol.. uk2 needs CD... lags and stuff

Anyway, CD is a brilliant idea.. if yiu get HLSW, it turns on and off when you need it and you dont <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

criticaI

#cri runs cheating death on our server and we have a lot of clans that will refuse to play on it, as well. I think some of the clans are too lazy, some of them may be questionalbly hackers.

criticaI

Ok, I read the thread after posting. If you have a tech problem, please goto <a href='http://www.unitedadmins.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.unitedadmins.com/</a> and seek help in many of the ways available before you say "OMG Cheating Death won't work on my computer!!!11"

They take questions in #cheating-death on GamesNET.

GG, don't be lazy. Cheating Death is a simple and elegent cheat prevention system and I think everybody should use it. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

nthing

<!--QuoteBegin--InfraRed+Sep 28 2003, 08:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (InfraRed @ Sep 28 2003, 08:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You could knife the entire team within 5-10 seconds on maps like fy_iceworld <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow. You must have some awsome skill dude! Oh, wait...

llama - I'd flame you more but it's not my style, so I just hope somebody else does.

InfraRed

Flame all you want, you will just become another llama like in CS, the very people I like to annoy <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

nthing

<!--QuoteBegin--InfraRed+Sep 28 2003, 12:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (InfraRed @ Sep 28 2003, 12:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Flame all you want, you will just become another llama like in CS, the very people I like to annoy <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
So you see yourself as a kind of police force, do you? Punishing those criminal llamas who play CS?
Thanks mate. Don't know what the world would be like without you.

boobs!

I'm lazy, I don't like seeing [NO C-D] because i am so lazy, and in NS its pretty obvious how to tell a "h4x0r" from a very good player. Especially in 2.0. So yeah go ahead and call us "Yankees" cheaters/lazy-bois, whatnot, don't really matter. Pretty soon VAC will be running anyways, automatically updating in the background, so us lazy folk can go about our business.

Oh and we (ReD) don't usually scrim anyone besides US clans and the occassional NZ clan, sorry euros <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> (<3 fwd)

eggmac

<3 ReD
We should get scrim sometime anyway <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->