LikuI, am the Somberlain.Join Date: 2003-01-10Member: 12128Members
<!--QuoteBegin--UltimaGecko+Sep 28 2003, 12:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UltimaGecko @ Sep 28 2003, 12:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'd like to start off by saying that the Xbox isn't that heavy. It's really not. If you've ever lifted one, and it was heavy to you....freaking work out <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> . And about the controllers. I know a midgety 13 year old who likes the old Xbox controllers over the Controller-S. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Gaming's supposed to be leasurely.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'd also like to point out here that the Xbox is slighty larger than a VCR, and thus fits in most places a VCR is meant to go. Lets you set up your system in more varied configurations, as opposed to the Game Cube, which is about twice as tall as a VCR, and thus had to sit where my stereo ...is supposed to go if I had one.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You could put several GameCubes where an X-Box could go.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Graphics go like so: Xbox Gamecube PS2<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Gameplay > Graphics
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Splinter Cell Ghost Recon with Xbox Live<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'll take Metal Gear Solid and Ghost Recon for PC thank you.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Zelda...but they've been downhill since the SNES ...never played it<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How can you say that if you haven't even played Wind Waker. Have you even played OoT and MM?
Actually, I belive the NES was 8-bit, the SNES was 16. Both were damn good. Although technology is can be a large part for the "average gamer". You wouldn't believe how many people I have heard say "Why the hell did you get a Gamecube j00 nubz0rs!1 omg teh PS2 is so much more powerful!111" Ya.. powerful like a 1994 Palm pilot with a broken screen. and Liku, while you are right about putting many GCs where an xbox would go, you probably wouldn't be able to use them thanks to the top loading nature of the GC compared to the Xbox..
Overall, PS2 is the best console, most games, most support, and you have Japanese developers which will of course will switch over to the PS3 when it comes out around 2006. PS2 also has the built in DVD, extra on the X-Box. A lot of the games are under 20 dollars, and good games are still comming out for it, despite it nearing the end of its support cycle.
Next is the GameCube. Being a Japanese system, it has Japanese support. However, Nintendo has TOO good first party support. Who wants to make a platform game for Nintendo when it all ready has Mario? I see Nintendo going the way of Sega because of its good first party support, but maybe the N5 (N's next system) can make it gain market share.
Last is the X-Box. It is an American system, Japanese developers don't really want to develope for it. I can think of...four, Japanese games that are worth buying for it. It has virtually no support in Japan which makes up the bulk of console gamers. If X-Box can't work in Japan, it probally won't work anywhere else. The "Next-Box" (MS's name for the X-Box2) will come out 2005. It may be a much better system: MS will know how to make consoles now, and if it is backward support with X-Box games, it may sell better.
Online wise, X-Box is doing good, but only because word of mouth. PS2 also has a good plan, depending on what games you want to play. All PS2 online games you can play for free, sans the cost of a modem, while X-Box is play per play.
<!--QuoteBegin--ANeM+Sep 28 2003, 09:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ANeM @ Sep 28 2003, 09:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Actually, I belive the NES was 8-bit, the SNES was 16. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The SNES was advertised as 16 Bit console, but at its heart, it used 8 Bit chips. The peripherals were 16 Bit tech, though.
Nintendo is notorious for using cheap, off the shelve technology to reduce the costs of the final product.
<!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Sep 28 2003, 04:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Sep 28 2003, 04:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Nintendo is notorious for using cheap, off the shelve technology to reduce the costs of the final product. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Like how the N64 wasn't 64 bits, but an optimized 32 bit system.
LikuI, am the Somberlain.Join Date: 2003-01-10Member: 12128Members
<!--QuoteBegin--ANeM+Sep 28 2003, 02:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ANeM @ Sep 28 2003, 02:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> and Liku, while you are right about putting many GCs where an xbox would go, you probably wouldn't be able to use them thanks to the top loading nature of the GC compared to the Xbox.. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeha, I forgot about that.
the tech doesn't matter to me really but I hate it when people get things wrong. I used to froth with anger when some ignorant, label-covered, baseball-cap-wearing jerks used to wander along the PSX titles finally getting to the N64 section with blanks looks and asking...
<b>ignorant plague on humanity:</b> "eh geez, ah these hings sum sorta add-on for the Playstation like?" <b>unfortunate staff member</b> "hmm? no, they're actually titles for the N64" ~scum bucket exchanges bemused look with equally ugly walking-advert of a friend~ <b>ignorant plague on humanity:</b> "wha? what the f**k's tha like?" <b>unfortunate staff member</b> "It's a console made by Nintendo" ~the wretch lets out a laugh causing his nike-plastered shell-suit top to rustle~ <b>ignorant plague on humanity:</b> "aye... right pal..."
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oh, if it helps your imagination; these are the kind of people everyone in the shop (including the customers) watch warily because theyr'e about as likely to pinch something on their way to pick up the next fifa game as they are to look at them <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
I know it's not in the same league as thinking the PS2 might be as powerful/more powerful technically than the GC but it's idiots like that who spread plague-like rumours that the PSX was a 64 bit console and the N64 was slower than it <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Zelda...but they've been downhill since the SNES ...never played it, but smash bros is supposed to be good too.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As in, I never played Super Smash Bros. Melee, but I heard it was good. Not "I've never played the GameCube's Zelda."
Now that that's cleared up...
The Xbox DVD...weirdness is okay. To note, the GameCube can't do anything with DVDs, so ...the Xbox owns it in that department. When my DVD player's lens...decided to not work right anymore...I could have payed 100 for a new DVD player, or 20 for the use of the Xbox's...
Great choice on the remote. It works a lot better than nay dvd player in the house (aside from the fact I lost the thing that holds the batteries in the remote...That's what Tape is for!). Never had a dvd player with such simplicity of use...and it has a zoom function that my other one didn't. The Xbox doesn't have a DVD logo on it, so it'd be technically illegal to play movies without that remote/sensor thing which adds the legal trademarks of DVD on it.
The Xbox is like a super optimized computer. The Gamespy review (which I hate now, god-awful 5 star system, and that horrible 'front page links to system page, not the article' thing....blech) said Halo was run on a 2.2ghz 512mb Ram 128mb graphics card; and it was choppy at maximum settings.
Compared to the Xbox it has 1/4 of those specs and runs if perfectly fine, and basically the same. That's why between a 2000 dollar computer and a 170 console, you're better off with the console. Unless you're rich.
For everyone saying the PC is better than consoles: How many times have you had a console game 'crash to desktop'? How many times do you have to turn the 'video settings' down? How often do you have to find the right 'driver' for your game? You have to make sure you have the right system specs, don't you? How many cords does your PC have coming out the back (ease of setup)? (if you have a slow computer) How long do you have to wait for the game to load?
....just a few reasons consoles can be more viable to people that use them, over a computer.
The SNES has my favorite game ever...Jurassic Park...FPS and overhead platform/shooter....ahhh, the good ness. Great with an emulator, cause than you can actually save. Like my genesis more than my SNES though, even if it does have my favorite game.
On Topic: GameCube and Xbox over PS2's outdatedness and lack of interesting titles (to me).
eep! jurassic park on the SNES was one of the first games that made me freak out... I had trouble making myself go to the next room because i was scared a pack of raptors would eat me lol
One of the main things I like about consoles is screenshots; Thats how the game <b>will</b> look like on your machine and run smoothly with. No tweaking, no slightly lesser graphics, no framerate differences, stuff like that =3
The reason consoles perform several times better for their hardware levels next to PCs is because they're a specialist medium. The games made for it know exactly what the spec will be and can use all kind of special little tricks specific to the hardware to really squeeze the oohs and aahs out of it ^^ Lets not also forget that the poor PC has to run a full-blown Operating system in the background that has to be capable of running all kinds of nonsense unlike the stripped down and streamlined processes running in the background of most modern consoles <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--UltimaGecko+Sep 28 2003, 05:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UltimaGecko @ Sep 28 2003, 05:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The Xbox is like a super optimized computer. The Gamespy review (which I hate now, god-awful 5 star system, and that horrible 'front page links to system page, not the article' thing....blech) said Halo was run on a 2.2ghz 512mb Ram 128mb graphics card; and it was choppy at maximum settings.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> There are <i>so many</i> variables in a system that just stating those three facts is almost completely insignificant. Quality of Mobos, wiring, how fast of a HD you have, brand of RAM, system heat, system tweaks, driver conflicts, HD fragmentation....the list goes on and on.
For this reason, it would be immensely wise to disregard the "choppy" statement as every computer runs different things much, much differently. Wait until you get the game out of the box before you make a decision like that <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
coilAmateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance.Join Date: 2002-04-12Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
edited September 2003
The simple answer: Go where the games you want are.
I have a Gamecube; I bought it and many games off of my brother for $150. I have LoZ: Wind Waker, which is <b>the best game I have ever played</b> - for any system, including my PC. Yes, it's that good.
I will eventually get an XBox. There are enough games for it that I want that I really can't not get it. (On a side note, the PS2 was always a maybe for me because of DDR... but there's a DDR game coming out for the XBox soon). But I'm very glad for my GameCube.
A side note: the Gamecube's version of Soul Calibur 2, in my opinion, is the best of the three. Link is a fantastic bonus character.
The Gamecube isn't a kiddie console. IMO, it's a purist's console. Some people won't like its selection of games; some will vehemently disagree with my opinion about Wind Waker. I call it the best game I've played because the graphics are gorgeous, the detail is phenomenal, the story is excellent, the gameplay is top-notch, and the combat is perfect (one of the best implementations of 3rd-person chasecam 3D combat I've ever seen, in fact). The whole game is challenging but almost never frustrating. Then again, it doesn't have a shred of multiplayer functionality; some people just won't go for that. That's why I say go where the games are.
XBox: best graphics. Gamecube: great party games, innovative titles, strong 1st-party games, GBA co-functionality. Low cost. PS2: largest game library. worst graphics, shoddy construction.
<!--QuoteBegin--Elderwyrm+Sep 28 2003, 05:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Elderwyrm @ Sep 28 2003, 05:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Any arguement you have for the X-BOX can't include things that are out for PC (PC Versions > Console Versions) or that are out for other systems.
Splinter Cell? Max Payne? RainBow 6?
All PC titles and they all own their X-Box equivilent. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Splinter Cell looks perfectly fine on the XBox, and it's far more easier to control the split jumps and stuff on the XBox (And, as this is an xbox vs GC, the xbox has the better graphics).
Max Payne, is better on the computer.
Rainbow Six 3, as the developers stated is not the same game as Raven Shield. The level's aren't the same, those that are similar are changed and there's graphical tweaks.
...Someone said the PS2 Splinter Cell has a different layout than the Xbox, me, having had the xbox version, didn't ever try the PS2 version. This forum needs a Link vs Spawn vs...whoever the PS2 guy is.
Now that the Gamecube is like $100 you almost can't go wrong, as long as you like 2 games. Of course, same thing goes for the XBox if you got it during christmas with it's free JSRF (god, I hate that game...bah), and that Sega racing game.
The simple answer: Go where the games you want are.
I have a Gamecube; I bought it and many games off of my brother for $150. I have LoZ: Wind Waker, which is <b>the best game I have ever played</b> - for any system, including my PC. Yes, it's that good.
I will eventually get an XBox. There are enough games for it that I want that I really can't not get it. (On a side note, the PS2 was always a maybe for me because of DDR... but there's a DDR game coming out for the XBox soon). But I'm very glad for my GameCube.
A side note: the Gamecube's version of Soul Calibur 2, in my opinion, is the best of the three. Link is a fantastic bonus character.
The Gamecube isn't a kiddie console. IMO, it's a purist's console. Some people won't like its selection of games; some will vehemently disagree with my opinion about Wind Waker. I call it the best game I've played because the graphics are gorgeous, the detail is phenomenal, the story is excellent, the gameplay is top-notch, and the combat is perfect (one of the best implementations of 3rd-person chasecam 3D combat I've ever seen, in fact). The whole game is challenging but almost never frustrating. Then again, it doesn't have a shred of multiplayer functionality; some people just won't go for that. That's why I say go where the games are.
XBox: best graphics. Gamecube: great party games, innovative titles, strong 1st-party games, GBA co-functionality. Low cost. PS2: largest game library. worst graphics, shoddy construction. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I have to agree with you entirely with Zelda, it's second only to Zelda 3 (A Link To The Past, the ULTIMATE GAME), but to me thr graphics ranged from absolutely gorgeous to plain and boring. No matter how nice the ocean looks at first, staring at it for hours on end makes you despise it. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
But as for the GameCube being the purist's console, i dunno about that really, while it's a true console gamer's console, the characters and games are tired and old, in my opinion. Mario Sunshine is awful, Metroid Prime is also as bad and i've not even given Sonic a look in, but the whole idea that the character's crossed from Sega to Nintendo is just pure blasphemy. One thing i will give the GameCube is that it's the first time that Nintendo have opened their doors to more adult games, such as Resident Evil. You'd never find games like that back in the good-old-days on a Nintendo, they were more Megadrive / Genesis games (Splatterhouse, anyone?). To me, there is only one console for the purist, and it's not changed for years, the SNES. You can keep your flashy graphics and high-quality music, the SNES is the one for me.
And on a side note: I feel you were a bit harsh on the PS2, while it does have the worst graphics of the three "next-generation" consoles available, they're be no means <i>that bad</i>. Take a look at Final Fantasy X and see. Hehehe.
I'll admit, I got my PS2 first, but the second I owned it, I started saving up to buy a GameCube.
I've rented an X-box, I own a GameCube. Which one do I like better?
GameCube. It helps that I was raised on the big N but it's also that I've seen games with much more value on them. X-box, it's games have no..no..no soul. They feel as if they were built in a mexican child labor camp sometimes. The GameCube, while it has its young games, has a few adult titles that you will find enjoyable. Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker looks like a child-type game with the cel shaded graphics but that was Shigeru Miyamoto's choice (one of the best company CEO's IMHO). Eternal Darkness, created by Silicon Knights, was one of the creepiest games i'll ever play. It was not the gore-and-violence games you see on the PS2 that attracted me, but rather the Sanity Effect of Eternal Darkness. Try walking into a room with half-sanity over and over. Your head explodes. Resident Evil was also really good, and i've heard good things about Resident Evil Zero. It's also that the GameCube is a very good party console, so if you plan on having friends over and playing, it's good with Smash Bros. Melee, the Monkey Ball's and Mario Party.
<!--QuoteBegin--coil+Sep 28 2003, 07:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coil @ Sep 28 2003, 07:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The simple answer: Go where the games you want are.
I have a Gamecube; I bought it and many games off of my brother for $150. I have LoZ: Wind Waker, which is <b>the best game I have ever played</b> - for any system, including my PC. Yes, it's that good.
I will eventually get an XBox. There are enough games for it that I want that I really can't not get it. (On a side note, the PS2 was always a maybe for me because of DDR... but there's a DDR game coming out for the XBox soon). But I'm very glad for my GameCube.
A side note: the Gamecube's version of Soul Calibur 2, in my opinion, is the best of the three. Link is a fantastic bonus character.
The GameCube isn't a kiddie console. IMO, it's a purist's console. Some people won't like its selection of games; some will vehemently disagree with my opinion about Wind Waker. I call it the best game I've played because the graphics are gorgeous, the detail is phenomenal, the story is excellent, the gameplay is top-notch, and the combat is perfect (one of the best implementations of 3rd-person chasecam 3D combat I've ever seen, in fact). The whole game is challenging but almost never frustrating. Then again, it doesn't have a shred of multiplayer functionality; some people just won't go for that. That's why I say go where the games are.
XBox: best graphics. Gamecube: great party games, innovative titles, strong 1st-party games, GBA co-functionality. Low cost. PS2: largest game library. worst graphics, shoddy construction. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I also happen to agree with coil. Just go where the games that you like are. I think that the GC has the best games. I own 10 games for it (would be more, but I am financially limited). Also, whoever said that GC has kiddie games, is wrong in my opinion. It has Eternal Darkness, the whole RE series, Splinter Cell, Turok: Evolution, and many more. And the best part is that the original Metal Gear Solid is coming out for it. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
EDIT: Of course, it also has the classics: Zelda and Mario. Super Smash Bros. Melee is a blast to play with 3 others. Metroid Prime is one of the best FPS for a console (even tho its controls are different), and Link in Soul Calibur 2 is the best exclusive character, IMO.
TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
GameCube. Follow the games, not the glitz. F-Zero:GX, Zelda, SSB:M, Metroid Prime, SSX:Tricky, Soul Calibur 2 (Link > *), Pikmin, Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem (Which DID manage to 'get' me more than once with sanity effects), and of course Monkeyball/2.
Have a GCN, PS2, and borrowed an X-Box for a couple weeks. Honestly... the X-Box is little more than a mid-low end computer, IMO. I get better graphics chunking through the TV-Out of my Radeon, and can just pop in a few controllers for most any game I feel like playing, if I want to go Console-style.
Oh... and I've seen an X-Box crash to console. I was there at release, when Seagate could not keep their unit running for more than seven minutes with any other release game (including HALO) beyond a junky-looking football thing.
In short, I'll stick with my GCN and PS2, and just wait for CXBX to come to full fruition. Then I'll just play all the X-Box titles I want to on my PC, with improved visual quality. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Lets not forget hte most important reason: Nintendo is a game company. Thats all they do, they don't sell any other electronics, they don't make any other software, and they don't want to turn their console into a media center. They just make games (and game systems). Besides that, Miamoto pwnz j00 xbox f00!
It all depends on which has better games, in otherwords... <a href='http://cube.ign.com/scores_9.html?fromint=1&submit.x=89&submit.y=9' target='_blank'>GameCube</a> VS <a href='http://xbox.ign.com/scores_9.html' target='_blank'>XBox</a>
They are about the same, but it looks like XBox shines at sports games while GameCube shines at a pretty good diversity.
<!--QuoteBegin--coil+Sep 28 2003, 05:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coil @ Sep 28 2003, 05:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The simple answer: Go where the games you want are. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I was going to post this but coild beat me to it.
I bought a gamecube just for Metroid Prime. I've also gotten a blast out of Mario Sunshine and Wind Waker as well, so I definately wub me cube. My friend Stephen though is a sports nut, and he loves his X-Box cause its got all the good sports games on it. And its gonna have Ninja Gaiden on it. Ninja Friggin Gaiden. I predict I'll be stealing his X-Box soonish. :P
I'm sick of everyone claiming that the PS2 has ugly games. Have you even played the system’s best graphical offerings? Do you only care about technical quality? The whole system potential ranking of “Xbox > GC > PS2” doesn’t mean much if you care more for the artistic aspects of graphics than how clear the image is and how high the texture resolution is.
Technical graphics come into play mostly in FPS games and the like… games that render a whole lot of **** out in the distance and have to do it from all angles. The PS2 doesn’t do that, but it has some exceptional art in a few games. Final Fantasy X has great backgrounds, some of the best CG I’ve seen (I don’t care if they choose to make some cut scenes pre-rendered if they produce the best visual quality, and there’s no denying that they take a lot of talent and time to create), and of course the best spell effects ever IMO. Devil May Cry has some breathtaking backgrounds and the animations and the combat in general pack a lot of punch. Zone Of The Enders 2 is another game that packs a lot of oomph, nice animation and character design, it’s especially appealing to people who like Anime (it even has some anime cut scenes), although it’s a game where the camera directly follows the player, so the technical aspects limit the graphics somewhat. Metal Gear Solid 2 has nice cut scenes and third person graphics, although the quality goes down a bit when you view things close up close in first person view… Thankfully you play most of the game from specifically angled third person cameras.
I haven’t played all of the graphically good PS2 titles; the major ones I can think of that I’m missing are ICO and Silent Hill 2 (the latter of which looks incredible, technically as well as artistically). Without a doubt, the PS2 has the largest collection of **** looking games, and it takes exceptional talent to create good-looking games on the PS2, and if these same development teams were working on full scale original titles (not ports) for Microsoft they would look even better, but they’re not.
I like technical aspects of graphics too, when they’re done right and don’t hinder the art. HL2 looks amazing, more so IMO than DOOM3, which has nice (although harsh) lighting, but I don’t like what I’m seeing in the DOOM3 models. They’re all effects and no texture; they look fake and plastic. Advanced effects should be used to create more realistic surfaces, not offer an excuse to leave surfaces with bad textures just because they have real time lighting and bump mapping on every inch.
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Sorry I’m wandering, I’ll get back the subject of this thread. I like the GC more so than the Xbox. I sometimes hear people claim that the xbox is superior, citing games such as Splinter Cell, Halo, Morrowind, Star Wars: Knights of The Old Republic, Ghost Recon, etc. That’s all well and good if you have a poor PC, but since I’m primarily a PC gamer I think I’ll pass. Mech Assault you say? Dumbed down FPS combat in a mech context. Jet Set Radio Future? The music hurts my ears. Panzer Dragoon Orta? Looks interesting, I’ll give it that. I haven’t played it though. And I don’t like sports games, realistic racing games or semi-realistic racing games. My Racing games need blistering speed and tracks that loop and corkscrew. Like F-Zero. Excellent GC racing game, the only racing game I own, in fact (no, Star Wars: Episode 1 Racer doesn’t count). None of the future xbox games seem especially appealing to me (with the possible exception of Halo 2, we’ll see if they take that futuristic city and give it something other than a continuous gray texture).
The Gamecube has been taking up the majority of my console gaming time recently with F Zero, Ikaruga (never owned a Dreamcast, I’m sorry to say), Soul Calibur 2 (Yeah, I know it’s multi-platform), and I’ll get back to Zelda and Metroid Prime later but I’m taking a break from them. Metroid Prime is a beautiful game that’s a bit too slow paced for me and Zelda is kind of fun but the combat is way too easy. Give me some challenge, some possibility of actually dying in a normal fight. Ikaruga is my faveourite GC game overall, good graphics and the best old school shooter gameplay I’ve seen, but with some nice twists that help differentiate it from all others in the genre that I’ve played.
In terms of upcoming GC games, I’ll likely buy the Metal Gear Solid remake since I missed the original, Tales of Symphonia is a promising RPG that’s getting some good reviews in Japan. the upcoming multi-platform Prince of Persia game looks good. I’ve been waiting for Too Human for a long time and there have been rumors about it being pushed back to the next Nintendo console, which worries me quite a bit as I don’t know if I’ll purchase any next gen console besides the PS3. What I’m really looking forward to is the upcoming PS2 lineup. Final Fantasy XII, Kingdom Hearts 2, Metal Gear Solid 3, Front Mission 4, Star Ocean 3, Xenosaga Episode 2. Of course I won't actually buy all of those, but... FFXII.. mmmm.
I liked the FFX prerendered stuff because it was all so pretty and epic but if you want to see the most accomplished CG in the entire universe, there's one piece in RE0 that was so exceptional the room fell into stunned silence... it looked real o.O I don't mean "I went to the cinema and that was good CG" I mean we actually sat there and couldn't bring ourselves to believe for even a moment it was computer generated. We've watched it again and again and again before finally accepting it is but wow; billy sure has one heck of a flashback lol <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Geminosity+Sep 29 2003, 10:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Geminosity @ Sep 29 2003, 10:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I liked the FFX prerendered stuff because it was all so pretty and epic but if you want to see the most accomplished CG in the entire universe, there's one piece in RE0 that was so exceptional the room fell into stunned silence... it looked real o.O I don't mean "I went to the cinema and that was good CG" I mean we actually sat there and couldn't bring ourselves to believe for even a moment it was computer generated. We've watched it again and again and again before finally accepting it is but wow; billy sure has one heck of a flashback lol <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> But, to be honest, Square are at the forfront of CG animation. Blizzard used to be, by far, but nothing can touch Final Fantasy movie's quality. Ok, yeah, that had a film budget to back it, but damn, so much looks so real.
<!--QuoteBegin--Geminosity+Sep 29 2003, 09:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Geminosity @ Sep 29 2003, 09:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I liked the FFX prerendered stuff because it was all so pretty and epic but if you want to see the most accomplished CG in the entire universe, there's one piece in RE0 that was so exceptional the room fell into stunned silence... it looked real o.O I don't mean "I went to the cinema and that was good CG" I mean we actually sat there and couldn't bring ourselves to believe for even a moment it was computer generated. We've watched it again and again and again before finally accepting it is but wow; billy sure has one heck of a flashback lol <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, the GC has some graphically great games. Metroid Prime, REmake and RE0 come to mind. I?ve played RE0 and didn?t like the gameplay all that much, I got bored after the train segment. It seemed sort of clunky. It was definitely amazing visually though. I think I might buy REmake sometime, it?s fairly cheap and I think I?d like it more than RE0.
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Gaming's supposed to be leasurely.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'd also like to point out here that the Xbox is slighty larger than a VCR, and thus fits in most places a VCR is meant to go. Lets you set up your system in more varied configurations, as opposed to the Game Cube, which is about twice as tall as a VCR, and thus had to sit where my stereo ...is supposed to go if I had one.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You could put several GameCubes where an X-Box could go.
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Xbox
Gamecube
PS2<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Gameplay > Graphics
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Ghost Recon with Xbox Live<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'll take Metal Gear Solid and Ghost Recon for PC thank you.
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How can you say that if you haven't even played Wind Waker. Have you even played OoT and MM?
Both were damn good.
Although technology is can be a large part for the "average gamer". You wouldn't believe how many people I have heard say "Why the hell did you get a Gamecube j00 nubz0rs!1 omg teh PS2 is so much more powerful!111"
Ya.. powerful like a 1994 Palm pilot with a broken screen.
and Liku, while you are right about putting many GCs where an xbox would go, you probably wouldn't be able to use them thanks to the top loading nature of the GC compared to the Xbox..
Next is the GameCube. Being a Japanese system, it has Japanese support. However, Nintendo has TOO good first party support. Who wants to make a platform game for Nintendo when it all ready has Mario? I see Nintendo going the way of Sega because of its good first party support, but maybe the N5 (N's next system) can make it gain market share.
Last is the X-Box. It is an American system, Japanese developers don't really want to develope for it. I can think of...four, Japanese games that are worth buying for it. It has virtually no support in Japan which makes up the bulk of console gamers. If X-Box can't work in Japan, it probally won't work anywhere else. The "Next-Box" (MS's name for the X-Box2) will come out 2005. It may be a much better system: MS will know how to make consoles now, and if it is backward support with X-Box games, it may sell better.
Online wise, X-Box is doing good, but only because word of mouth. PS2 also has a good plan, depending on what games you want to play. All PS2 online games you can play for free, sans the cost of a modem, while X-Box is play per play.
The SNES was advertised as 16 Bit console, but at its heart, it used 8 Bit chips. The peripherals were 16 Bit tech, though.
Nintendo is notorious for using cheap, off the shelve technology to reduce the costs of the final product.
Like how the N64 wasn't 64 bits, but an optimized 32 bit system.
Yeha, I forgot about that.
<b>ignorant plague on humanity:</b> "eh geez, ah these hings sum sorta add-on for the Playstation like?"
<b>unfortunate staff member</b> "hmm? no, they're actually titles for the N64"
~scum bucket exchanges bemused look with equally ugly walking-advert of a friend~
<b>ignorant plague on humanity:</b> "wha? what the f**k's tha like?"
<b>unfortunate staff member</b> "It's a console made by Nintendo"
~the wretch lets out a laugh causing his nike-plastered shell-suit top to rustle~
<b>ignorant plague on humanity:</b> "aye... right pal..."
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oh, if it helps your imagination; these are the kind of people everyone in the shop (including the customers) watch warily because theyr'e about as likely to pinch something on their way to pick up the next fifa game as they are to look at them <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
I know it's not in the same league as thinking the PS2 might be as powerful/more powerful technically than the GC but it's idiots like that who spread plague-like rumours that the PSX was a 64 bit console and the N64 was slower than it <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
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...never played it, but smash bros is supposed to be good too.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As in, I never played Super Smash Bros. Melee, but I heard it was good.
Not "I've never played the GameCube's Zelda."
Now that that's cleared up...
The Xbox DVD...weirdness is okay. To note, the GameCube can't do anything with DVDs, so ...the Xbox owns it in that department. When my DVD player's lens...decided to not work right anymore...I could have payed 100 for a new DVD player, or 20 for the use of the Xbox's...
Great choice on the remote. It works a lot better than nay dvd player in the house (aside from the fact I lost the thing that holds the batteries in the remote...That's what Tape is for!). Never had a dvd player with such simplicity of use...and it has a zoom function that my other one didn't. The Xbox doesn't have a DVD logo on it, so it'd be technically illegal to play movies without that remote/sensor thing which adds the legal trademarks of DVD on it.
The Xbox is like a super optimized computer. The Gamespy review (which I hate now, god-awful 5 star system, and that horrible 'front page links to system page, not the article' thing....blech) said Halo was run on a 2.2ghz 512mb Ram 128mb graphics card; and it was choppy at maximum settings.
Compared to the Xbox it has 1/4 of those specs and runs if perfectly fine, and basically the same. That's why between a 2000 dollar computer and a 170 console, you're better off with the console. Unless you're rich.
For everyone saying the PC is better than consoles:
How many times have you had a console game 'crash to desktop'?
How many times do you have to turn the 'video settings' down?
How often do you have to find the right 'driver' for your game?
You have to make sure you have the right system specs, don't you?
How many cords does your PC have coming out the back (ease of setup)?
(if you have a slow computer) How long do you have to wait for the game to load?
....just a few reasons consoles can be more viable to people that use them, over a computer.
The SNES has my favorite game ever...Jurassic Park...FPS and overhead platform/shooter....ahhh, the good ness. Great with an emulator, cause than you can actually save. Like my genesis more than my SNES though, even if it does have my favorite game.
On Topic: GameCube and Xbox over PS2's outdatedness and lack of interesting titles (to me).
One of the main things I like about consoles is screenshots; Thats how the game <b>will</b> look like on your machine and run smoothly with. No tweaking, no slightly lesser graphics, no framerate differences, stuff like that =3
The reason consoles perform several times better for their hardware levels next to PCs is because they're a specialist medium. The games made for it know exactly what the spec will be and can use all kind of special little tricks specific to the hardware to really squeeze the oohs and aahs out of it ^^
Lets not also forget that the poor PC has to run a full-blown Operating system in the background that has to be capable of running all kinds of nonsense unlike the stripped down and streamlined processes running in the background of most modern consoles <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Splinter Cell?
Max Payne?
RainBow 6?
All PC titles and they all own their X-Box equivilent.
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There are <i>so many</i> variables in a system that just stating those three facts is almost completely insignificant. Quality of Mobos, wiring, how fast of a HD you have, brand of RAM, system heat, system tweaks, driver conflicts, HD fragmentation....the list goes on and on.
For this reason, it would be immensely wise to disregard the "choppy" statement as every computer runs different things much, much differently. Wait until you get the game out of the box before you make a decision like that <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I have a Gamecube; I bought it and many games off of my brother for $150. I have LoZ: Wind Waker, which is <b>the best game I have ever played</b> - for any system, including my PC. Yes, it's that good.
I will eventually get an XBox. There are enough games for it that I want that I really can't not get it. (On a side note, the PS2 was always a maybe for me because of DDR... but there's a DDR game coming out for the XBox soon). But I'm very glad for my GameCube.
A side note: the Gamecube's version of Soul Calibur 2, in my opinion, is the best of the three. Link is a fantastic bonus character.
The Gamecube isn't a kiddie console. IMO, it's a purist's console. Some people won't like its selection of games; some will vehemently disagree with my opinion about Wind Waker. I call it the best game I've played because the graphics are gorgeous, the detail is phenomenal, the story is excellent, the gameplay is top-notch, and the combat is perfect (one of the best implementations of 3rd-person chasecam 3D combat I've ever seen, in fact). The whole game is challenging but almost never frustrating. Then again, it doesn't have a shred of multiplayer functionality; some people just won't go for that. That's why I say go where the games are.
XBox: best graphics.
Gamecube: great party games, innovative titles, strong 1st-party games, GBA co-functionality. Low cost.
PS2: largest game library. worst graphics, shoddy construction.
Splinter Cell?
Max Payne?
RainBow 6?
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Splinter Cell looks perfectly fine on the XBox, and it's far more easier to control the split jumps and stuff on the XBox (And, as this is an xbox vs GC, the xbox has the better graphics).
Max Payne, is better on the computer.
Rainbow Six 3, as the developers stated is not the same game as Raven Shield. The level's aren't the same, those that are similar are changed and there's graphical tweaks.
...Someone said the PS2 Splinter Cell has a different layout than the Xbox, me, having had the xbox version, didn't ever try the PS2 version. This forum needs a Link vs Spawn vs...whoever the PS2 guy is.
Now that the Gamecube is like $100 you almost can't go wrong, as long as you like 2 games. Of course, same thing goes for the XBox if you got it during christmas with it's free JSRF (god, I hate that game...bah), and that Sega racing game.
The simple answer: Go where the games you want are.
I have a Gamecube; I bought it and many games off of my brother for $150. I have LoZ: Wind Waker, which is <b>the best game I have ever played</b> - for any system, including my PC. Yes, it's that good.
I will eventually get an XBox. There are enough games for it that I want that I really can't not get it. (On a side note, the PS2 was always a maybe for me because of DDR... but there's a DDR game coming out for the XBox soon). But I'm very glad for my GameCube.
A side note: the Gamecube's version of Soul Calibur 2, in my opinion, is the best of the three. Link is a fantastic bonus character.
The Gamecube isn't a kiddie console. IMO, it's a purist's console. Some people won't like its selection of games; some will vehemently disagree with my opinion about Wind Waker. I call it the best game I've played because the graphics are gorgeous, the detail is phenomenal, the story is excellent, the gameplay is top-notch, and the combat is perfect (one of the best implementations of 3rd-person chasecam 3D combat I've ever seen, in fact). The whole game is challenging but almost never frustrating. Then again, it doesn't have a shred of multiplayer functionality; some people just won't go for that. That's why I say go where the games are.
XBox: best graphics.
Gamecube: great party games, innovative titles, strong 1st-party games, GBA co-functionality. Low cost.
PS2: largest game library. worst graphics, shoddy construction. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have to agree with you entirely with Zelda, it's second only to Zelda 3 (A Link To The Past, the ULTIMATE GAME), but to me thr graphics ranged from absolutely gorgeous to plain and boring. No matter how nice the ocean looks at first, staring at it for hours on end makes you despise it. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
But as for the GameCube being the purist's console, i dunno about that really, while it's a true console gamer's console, the characters and games are tired and old, in my opinion. Mario Sunshine is awful, Metroid Prime is also as bad and i've not even given Sonic a look in, but the whole idea that the character's crossed from Sega to Nintendo is just pure blasphemy. One thing i will give the GameCube is that it's the first time that Nintendo have opened their doors to more adult games, such as Resident Evil. You'd never find games like that back in the good-old-days on a Nintendo, they were more Megadrive / Genesis games (Splatterhouse, anyone?). To me, there is only one console for the purist, and it's not changed for years, the SNES. You can keep your flashy graphics and high-quality music, the SNES is the one for me.
And on a side note: I feel you were a bit harsh on the PS2, while it does have the worst graphics of the three "next-generation" consoles available, they're be no means <i>that bad</i>. Take a look at Final Fantasy X and see. Hehehe.
I'll admit, I got my PS2 first, but the second I owned it, I started saving up to buy a GameCube.
I've rented an X-box, I own a GameCube. Which one do I like better?
GameCube. It helps that I was raised on the big N but it's also that I've seen games with much more value on them. X-box, it's games have no..no..no soul. They feel as if they were built in a mexican child labor camp sometimes. The GameCube, while it has its young games, has a few adult titles that you will find enjoyable. Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker looks like a child-type game with the cel shaded graphics but that was Shigeru Miyamoto's choice (one of the best company CEO's IMHO). Eternal Darkness, created by Silicon Knights, was one of the creepiest games i'll ever play. It was not the gore-and-violence games you see on the PS2 that attracted me, but rather the Sanity Effect of Eternal Darkness. Try walking into a room with half-sanity over and over. Your head explodes. Resident Evil was also really good, and i've heard good things about Resident Evil Zero. It's also that the GameCube is a very good party console, so if you plan on having friends over and playing, it's good with Smash Bros. Melee, the Monkey Ball's and Mario Party.
GameCube is a better long-term own then an X-Box.
I have a Gamecube; I bought it and many games off of my brother for $150. I have LoZ: Wind Waker, which is <b>the best game I have ever played</b> - for any system, including my PC. Yes, it's that good.
I will eventually get an XBox. There are enough games for it that I want that I really can't not get it. (On a side note, the PS2 was always a maybe for me because of DDR... but there's a DDR game coming out for the XBox soon). But I'm very glad for my GameCube.
A side note: the Gamecube's version of Soul Calibur 2, in my opinion, is the best of the three. Link is a fantastic bonus character.
The GameCube isn't a kiddie console. IMO, it's a purist's console. Some people won't like its selection of games; some will vehemently disagree with my opinion about Wind Waker. I call it the best game I've played because the graphics are gorgeous, the detail is phenomenal, the story is excellent, the gameplay is top-notch, and the combat is perfect (one of the best implementations of 3rd-person chasecam 3D combat I've ever seen, in fact). The whole game is challenging but almost never frustrating. Then again, it doesn't have a shred of multiplayer functionality; some people just won't go for that. That's why I say go where the games are.
XBox: best graphics.
Gamecube: great party games, innovative titles, strong 1st-party games, GBA co-functionality. Low cost.
PS2: largest game library. worst graphics, shoddy construction. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I also happen to agree with coil. Just go where the games that you like are. I think that the GC has the best games. I own 10 games for it (would be more, but I am financially limited). Also, whoever said that GC has kiddie games, is wrong in my opinion. It has Eternal Darkness, the whole RE series, Splinter Cell, Turok: Evolution, and many more. And the best part is that the original Metal Gear Solid is coming out for it. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
EDIT: Of course, it also has the classics: Zelda and Mario. Super Smash Bros. Melee is a blast to play with 3 others. Metroid Prime is one of the best FPS for a console (even tho its controls are different), and Link in Soul Calibur 2 is the best exclusive character, IMO.
Have a GCN, PS2, and borrowed an X-Box for a couple weeks. Honestly... the X-Box is little more than a mid-low end computer, IMO. I get better graphics chunking through the TV-Out of my Radeon, and can just pop in a few controllers for most any game I feel like playing, if I want to go Console-style.
Oh... and I've seen an X-Box crash to console. I was there at release, when Seagate could not keep their unit running for more than seven minutes with any other release game (including HALO) beyond a junky-looking football thing.
In short, I'll stick with my GCN and PS2, and just wait for CXBX to come to full fruition. Then I'll just play all the X-Box titles I want to on my PC, with improved visual quality. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Listen to the mod's. They are smart. GameCube is much better for truely exclusive games.
<a href='http://cube.ign.com/scores_9.html?fromint=1&submit.x=89&submit.y=9' target='_blank'>GameCube</a> VS <a href='http://xbox.ign.com/scores_9.html' target='_blank'>XBox</a>
They are about the same, but it looks like XBox shines at sports games while GameCube shines at a pretty good diversity.
I was going to post this but coild beat me to it.
I bought a gamecube just for Metroid Prime. I've also gotten a blast out of Mario Sunshine and Wind Waker as well, so I definately wub me cube. My friend Stephen though is a sports nut, and he loves his X-Box cause its got all the good sports games on it. And its gonna have Ninja Gaiden on it. Ninja Friggin Gaiden. I predict I'll be stealing his X-Box soonish. :P
Listen to coil, don't listen to fanboys. ;)
Technical graphics come into play mostly in FPS games and the like… games that render a whole lot of **** out in the distance and have to do it from all angles. The PS2 doesn’t do that, but it has some exceptional art in a few games. Final Fantasy X has great backgrounds, some of the best CG I’ve seen (I don’t care if they choose to make some cut scenes pre-rendered if they produce the best visual quality, and there’s no denying that they take a lot of talent and time to create), and of course the best spell effects ever IMO. Devil May Cry has some breathtaking backgrounds and the animations and the combat in general pack a lot of punch. Zone Of The Enders 2 is another game that packs a lot of oomph, nice animation and character design, it’s especially appealing to people who like Anime (it even has some anime cut scenes), although it’s a game where the camera directly follows the player, so the technical aspects limit the graphics somewhat. Metal Gear Solid 2 has nice cut scenes and third person graphics, although the quality goes down a bit when you view things close up close in first person view… Thankfully you play most of the game from specifically angled third person cameras.
I haven’t played all of the graphically good PS2 titles; the major ones I can think of that I’m missing are ICO and Silent Hill 2 (the latter of which looks incredible, technically as well as artistically). Without a doubt, the PS2 has the largest collection of **** looking games, and it takes exceptional talent to create good-looking games on the PS2, and if these same development teams were working on full scale original titles (not ports) for Microsoft they would look even better, but they’re not.
I like technical aspects of graphics too, when they’re done right and don’t hinder the art. HL2 looks amazing, more so IMO than DOOM3, which has nice (although harsh) lighting, but I don’t like what I’m seeing in the DOOM3 models. They’re all effects and no texture; they look fake and plastic. Advanced effects should be used to create more realistic surfaces, not offer an excuse to leave surfaces with bad textures just because they have real time lighting and bump mapping on every inch.
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Sorry I’m wandering, I’ll get back the subject of this thread. I like the GC more so than the Xbox. I sometimes hear people claim that the xbox is superior, citing games such as Splinter Cell, Halo, Morrowind, Star Wars: Knights of The Old Republic, Ghost Recon, etc. That’s all well and good if you have a poor PC, but since I’m primarily a PC gamer I think I’ll pass. Mech Assault you say? Dumbed down FPS combat in a mech context. Jet Set Radio Future? The music hurts my ears. Panzer Dragoon Orta? Looks interesting, I’ll give it that. I haven’t played it though. And I don’t like sports games, realistic racing games or semi-realistic racing games. My Racing games need blistering speed and tracks that loop and corkscrew. Like F-Zero. Excellent GC racing game, the only racing game I own, in fact (no, Star Wars: Episode 1 Racer doesn’t count). None of the future xbox games seem especially appealing to me (with the possible exception of Halo 2, we’ll see if they take that futuristic city and give it something other than a continuous gray texture).
The Gamecube has been taking up the majority of my console gaming time recently with F Zero, Ikaruga (never owned a Dreamcast, I’m sorry to say), Soul Calibur 2 (Yeah, I know it’s multi-platform), and I’ll get back to Zelda and Metroid Prime later but I’m taking a break from them. Metroid Prime is a beautiful game that’s a bit too slow paced for me and Zelda is kind of fun but the combat is way too easy. Give me some challenge, some possibility of actually dying in a normal fight. Ikaruga is my faveourite GC game overall, good graphics and the best old school shooter gameplay I’ve seen, but with some nice twists that help differentiate it from all others in the genre that I’ve played.
In terms of upcoming GC games, I’ll likely buy the Metal Gear Solid remake since I missed the original, Tales of Symphonia is a promising RPG that’s getting some good reviews in Japan. the upcoming multi-platform Prince of Persia game looks good. I’ve been waiting for Too Human for a long time and there have been rumors about it being pushed back to the next Nintendo console, which worries me quite a bit as I don’t know if I’ll purchase any next gen console besides the PS3. What I’m really looking forward to is the upcoming PS2 lineup. Final Fantasy XII, Kingdom Hearts 2, Metal Gear Solid 3, Front Mission 4, Star Ocean 3, Xenosaga Episode 2. Of course I won't actually buy all of those, but... FFXII.. mmmm.
I don't mean "I went to the cinema and that was good CG" I mean we actually sat there and couldn't bring ourselves to believe for even a moment it was computer generated. We've watched it again and again and again before finally accepting it is but wow; billy sure has one heck of a flashback lol <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I don't mean "I went to the cinema and that was good CG" I mean we actually sat there and couldn't bring ourselves to believe for even a moment it was computer generated. We've watched it again and again and again before finally accepting it is but wow; billy sure has one heck of a flashback lol <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
But, to be honest, Square are at the forfront of CG animation. Blizzard used to be, by far, but nothing can touch Final Fantasy movie's quality. Ok, yeah, that had a film budget to back it, but damn, so much looks so real.
I don't mean "I went to the cinema and that was good CG" I mean we actually sat there and couldn't bring ourselves to believe for even a moment it was computer generated. We've watched it again and again and again before finally accepting it is but wow; billy sure has one heck of a flashback lol <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, the GC has some graphically great games. Metroid Prime, REmake and RE0 come to mind. I?ve played RE0 and didn?t like the gameplay all that much, I got bored after the train segment. It seemed sort of clunky. It was definitely amazing visually though. I think I might buy REmake sometime, it?s fairly cheap and I think I?d like it more than RE0.