Is It Stealing
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Join Date: 2003-08-29 Member: 20359Members
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That is stealing. Robin Hood <i>was</i> a thief afterall.
It's easy to spot the flaws in that reasoning: A) People are buying CDs despite having MP3s, indeed, some buy the CDs <i>because</i> of the MP3s. B) Not everyone downloading a song would buy an album or single. The claimed losses are thus extreme overestimates.
So, in short, no, music sharing does not constitute stealing to me.
Now it means more like "to take or copy something from someone without their permission." Duplicating information can be stealing now. Piracy is the name given to stealing of software.
Legally by the contracts, using kazaa to download software/music that you HAVEN'T purchased is stealing. Personally, I believe this is an attempt by the old clueless CEOs to stop file sharing (though it isn't working at all). I think if they were smart, they'd use this to their advantage to selling software/music.
Now it means more like "to take or copy something from someone without their permission." Duplicating information can be stealing now. Piracy is the name given to stealing of software.
Legally by the contracts, using kazaa to download software/music that you HAVEN'T purchased is stealing. Personally, I believe this is an attempt by the old clueless CEOs to stop file sharing (though it isn't working at all). I think if they were smart, they'd use this to their advantage to selling software/music. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Um no... legally its Copyright Infringement. Though the RIAA would certainly like you to think otherwise.
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Only, its not as far as the law is concerned adn as far as most people are concerned.
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Only, its not as far as the law is concerned adn as far as most people are concerned. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well yes, in fact, it is against the law. There are music companies suing college students over this stuff right now (I would know, they sued my roommate). While it isn't important to most people is irrelevant. The people don't decide which laws to follow and which to ignore. Ironically, the law for the people isn't the same thing as the law by the people.
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Only, its not as far as the law is concerned adn as far as most people are concerned. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well yes, in fact, it is against the law. There are music companies suing college students over this stuff right now (I would know, they sued my roommate). While it isn't important to most people is irrelevant. The people don't decide which laws to follow and which to ignore. Ironically, the law for the people isn't the same thing as the law by the people. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Of course its against the law, Its copyright infringement. IT IS NOT THEFT.
If the Internet as a whole wasn't portrayed as emanations from Satan's backside, then the RIAA would have a much harder time getting all this through. Since the general public are too ignorant or idle to find out what the difference is between a hacker and a hole in the ground, then the RIAA can happily portray all things Internet as Bad™. Then its a piece of cake to get the go ahead from the relavant legislative bodies to steamroller ISPs and individuals.
All-in-all, if the RIAA and the entertainment industry as a whole were seen less as an industry and more as purveyors of entertainment, maybe the public would use P2P more responsibly. As it is, its payback time for P2P'ers for decades of the industry taking the p*ss (price fixing, profiteering, monopolising, cynicism, generating unlistenable garbage). Its no wonder the industry has panicked (over-reacted ?).
Footnote: I rarely use P2P myself - I like to have the CDs. I'm just a sheep of the industry. *sigh*
its not the taking that is illega, since someone is giving you the file, if I gave a CD to a stranger on the street he didn't steal it. The illegal part is that the sharer of the file doesn't have the right to distribute copies of the work, thats why it is copyright infringement.