I think you would need to be agressive in taking down the alien RTs from the start of the game. If they are any good at all, half the alien team will gorg and drop an RT, making it 5v1.
If you only start taking down alien RTs at the 10-min mark, then you are WAAAYYYY too slow. Form a team of about 2-3 marines and have them move to where you think the aliens RT are. They might even kill some <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo--> along the way.
You should upgrade your arms lab earlier, to get HMG. do not be afraid to drop the HMGs and shotties in mid-game. Despite what many people say, HMGs are really best againest <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> , NOT shotties.
Edit: btw, are you "[ctK] Hunty"?? Thought i saw you couple days ago in the coFR server.
Mines?Please.....i give mines some skulk will blow the entire marine team up if they actually drop mines infront of them in a corridor.....
I really try to kill alien RTs as fast as possible but its very hard....i dont know why but most of the time when i try to do this skulks just get 3-4 kills in a row by themselves....
Hand out 2 shotties and send them RT hunting around early game (0~3 minute mark most possibly) And if you think they'll die easily,send 1 LMGer to supply support fire.
And when going for RTs,you instruct them to SHOOT them,not KNIFE them.And when it goes down only send 1 to build,not all.They other one/two should cover him,since the aliens now know where you are,unless you sent a 5-man team of shotguns (which doesn't pwn Onos,sadly).
And when an early fade arrives,just make sure your Marines can handle the speed of the Fade's blink,or at least be able to see where it has stopped blinking,there is nothing a comm can do to help against Blink, you have to pray that they can actually see where the Fade winded up at.
As for early Onos....you most likely would've killed many alien RTs,so it should come around the 10-15 minute mark,where you most likely will have HA+HMG,and from what I've seen in the HK servers the Onos rarely use Devour....big liability for them if they don't use it on HA.
Just make sure you deny them the res,and keep your marines alive,then you should be able to prevail into the dreaded 15-20 minute mark (endgame)
And yes,whats more devastating than an early Fade?? An early lerk. Thank god Im one of them <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Tried it.2 shotgunners and 4 lmgers,went to an alien rt,managed to take it down.Then the problems start.4 guys start building,including the 2 shotgunners.I tell them to stop.Too late.2 skulks come in and kill everyone.
What's the Big deal, after my team caps and secures res. early in the game i send my team to destroy there res. and secure a hive, then 1) the onos has been delayed because i took down there res. and 2)when they do get onos 2-3 good marines can take down an onos becuase they will have 3/3 upgrades, then after the first wave of onos the armory will be upgraded then the games over, I don't understand why people think onos are difficult to kill...
<!--QuoteBegin--Stoneburg+Oct 9 2003, 01:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stoneburg @ Oct 9 2003, 01:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Then your problem is that you're playing with idiots. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Couldn't have said it better myself.
<!--QuoteBegin--Necrosis+Oct 9 2003, 03:34 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Necrosis @ Oct 9 2003, 03:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you cant understand the problem......... you really shouldnt be in a thread DISCUSSING it.
Great first post, chief. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hah. Also well said.
well, either the marines are really as bad as you make them out to be, or you simply dont supply/support them well enough.
Cuz, unless the game is VERY one sided, (noob marines, pro aliens) I simply cannot believe that 2 <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo--> could consistently own 6 <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'><!--endemo--> throughout the game as you claim. Or the fairly extreme situation of <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::fade::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/fade.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='fade.gif'><!--endemo--> owning Seven <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> .
lvl 1 armour could help. Or fast MT.
I would like to see you comm and be a witness to these situations. PM me your in-game nick and the server you frequent?
<!--QuoteBegin--Rofellos da wink+Oct 10 2003, 01:00 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rofellos da wink @ Oct 10 2003, 01:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> well, either the marines are really as bad as you make them out to be, or you simply dont supply/support them well enough.
Cuz, unless the game is VERY one sided, (noob marines, pro aliens) I simply cannot believe that 2 <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo--> could consistently own 6 <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'><!--endemo--> throughout the game as you claim. Or the fairly extreme situation of <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::fade::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/fade.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='fade.gif'><!--endemo--> owning Seven <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> .
lvl 1 armour could help. Or fast MT.
I would like to see you comm and be a witness to these situations. PM me your in-game nick and the server you frequent? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I can belive it.
I hardly ever upgrade my armory in early game (yes you read that right), I rush RTs, elec em ALL, and build 2 armslab, by 5-6 mins I have full ups, and enough res to give the entire team shotguns twice over.
Team of lvl 3 armor, lvl 3 weapons shotguns >>>>> onos, and it owns a fade even more, 1 shot to the face = dead fade. Have em move to the 2nd hive, blow it apart in a matter of secs, at this point my armory is upgrading, so by the time theyve died on the last hive (if they have), I got HA ready.. always works
Great pub tactic, try it sometimes, dont bother with turrets, dont bother with an obs either (unless they got sens of course), just get a lot of RTs fast, elec them, and rush 2 armslab and tech tech tech!
Well situations like what i describe are considered very common place on the local servers i frequent.
As for meeting up together on my local servers sometime....i dont think thats a very good.You are liable to get flack for associating with me <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
PM me your game name, I really don't have a clue but what I do know is that you're from around HK or Taiwan, so yeah....
And as for the idiot problem....remember that it's better to know beforehand than in the last minuet (Meaning tell them 1 build at a time BEFORE you go RT hunting)
If it doesn't work then you are definitely stuck with idiots (or a lot,there are a few exceptions)
<!--QuoteBegin--DarkEnligther+Oct 10 2003, 01:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkEnligther @ Oct 10 2003, 01:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I hardly ever upgrade my armory in early game (yes you read that right), I rush RTs, elec em ALL, and build 2 armslab, by 5-6 mins I have full ups, and enough res to give the entire team shotguns twice over. ! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Lies.
You won't have the res for quick upgrades if you electrify. If you're going to use numbers, check them, or at least make them plausible. Hyperboles and made up stories don't add anything to the discussion, only detracts from your credibility.
it would seem to me if you wanna go quick upgrades you CAN"T electrify, and need yer upped rines to patrol rts while you up them, and elect RTs as spare rez comes avail.
more likely is a pg network with upped rines and no elect. elect is 30 simolians!! eep!
or a nicer and more aggressive strat is elect rts and have yer squads hunt down alien RTs. that'll buy you time to dbl AL it.
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A phasenetwork to all key locations avoid the walking in between, where you get ambushed...
3 turrets and open space usually kills or fends of most onos'
If they are any good at all, half the alien team will gorg and drop an RT, making it 5v1.
If you only start taking down alien RTs at the 10-min mark, then you are WAAAYYYY too slow.
Form a team of about 2-3 marines and have them move to where you think the aliens RT are.
They might even kill some <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo--> along the way.
You should upgrade your arms lab earlier, to get HMG. do not be afraid to drop the HMGs and shotties in mid-game. Despite what many people say, HMGs are really best againest <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> , NOT shotties.
Edit: btw, are you "[ctK] Hunty"?? Thought i saw you couple days ago in the coFR server.
Mines?Please.....i give mines some skulk will blow the entire marine team up if they actually drop mines infront of them in a corridor.....
I really try to kill alien RTs as fast as possible but its very hard....i dont know why but most of the time when i try to do this skulks just get 3-4 kills in a row by themselves....
P.S.Pub games btw.
And if you think they'll die easily,send 1 LMGer to supply support fire.
And when going for RTs,you instruct them to SHOOT them,not KNIFE them.And when it goes down only send 1 to build,not all.They other one/two should cover him,since the aliens now know where you are,unless you sent a 5-man team of shotguns (which doesn't pwn Onos,sadly).
And when an early fade arrives,just make sure your Marines can handle the speed of the Fade's blink,or at least be able to see where it has stopped blinking,there is nothing a comm can do to help against Blink, you have to pray that they can actually see where the Fade winded up at.
As for early Onos....you most likely would've killed many alien RTs,so it should come around the 10-15 minute mark,where you most likely will have HA+HMG,and from what I've seen in the HK servers the Onos rarely use Devour....big liability for them if they don't use it on HA.
Just make sure you deny them the res,and keep your marines alive,then you should be able to prevail into the dreaded 15-20 minute mark (endgame)
And yes,whats more devastating than an early Fade?? An early lerk. Thank god Im one of them <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Onos' are having a hard time surviving a small team of SGmarines without either celerity or regen...
If you can aim that is...
Situation repeats whole game....
Great first post, chief.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Great first post, chief. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hah. Also well said.
or you simply dont supply/support them well enough.
Cuz, unless the game is VERY one sided, (noob marines, pro aliens)
I simply cannot believe that 2 <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo--> could consistently own 6 <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'><!--endemo--> throughout the game as you claim. Or the fairly extreme situation of <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::fade::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/fade.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='fade.gif'><!--endemo--> owning Seven <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> .
lvl 1 armour could help. Or fast MT.
I would like to see you comm and be a witness to these situations.
PM me your in-game nick and the server you frequent?
or you simply dont supply/support them well enough.
Cuz, unless the game is VERY one sided, (noob marines, pro aliens)
I simply cannot believe that 2 <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo--> could consistently own 6 <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'><!--endemo--> throughout the game as you claim. Or the fairly extreme situation of <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::fade::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/fade.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='fade.gif'><!--endemo--> owning Seven <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> .
lvl 1 armour could help. Or fast MT.
I would like to see you comm and be a witness to these situations.
PM me your in-game nick and the server you frequent? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I can belive it.
Team of lvl 3 armor, lvl 3 weapons shotguns >>>>> onos, and it owns a fade even more, 1 shot to the face = dead fade.
Have em move to the 2nd hive, blow it apart in a matter of secs, at this point my armory is upgrading, so by the time theyve died on the last hive (if they have), I got HA ready.. always works
Great pub tactic, try it sometimes, dont bother with turrets, dont bother with an obs either (unless they got sens of course), just get a lot of RTs fast, elec them, and rush 2 armslab and tech tech tech!
As for meeting up together on my local servers sometime....i dont think thats a very good.You are liable to get flack for associating with me <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
And as for the idiot problem....remember that it's better to know beforehand than in the last minuet (Meaning tell them 1 build at a time BEFORE you go RT hunting)
If it doesn't work then you are definitely stuck with idiots (or a lot,there are a few exceptions)
! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lies.
You won't have the res for quick upgrades if you electrify. If you're going to use numbers, check them, or at least make them plausible. Hyperboles and made up stories don't add anything to the discussion, only detracts from your credibility.
more likely is a pg network with upped rines and no elect. elect is 30 simolians!! eep!
or a nicer and more aggressive strat is elect rts and have yer squads hunt down alien RTs. that'll buy you time to dbl AL it.