Motherboard Gurus

OttoDestructOttoDestruct Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
<div class="IPBDescription">I summon thee.. or some crap</div> Uhm. yea. I'm about to order the motherboard for a new computer, when CWAG brought up using AMD. I was planning on running a P4 2.4ghz 800mhz FSB HT processor. The motherboard I had picked out (Gigabyte don't remember exact model name I think something like 1000 Pro) and processor would ring up together at about 280 dollars. Now my question is, how much of a performance gain is this over a $90 AMD cpu running 2500+ with 333 bus, along with a motherboard (any recommendations? I know Asus makes good ones but theres a TON of them, I'm looking for one with integrated audio, but no integrated graphics.)

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  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    The Intel one isn't much of a performance gain at all. I'd recommend going with the AMD Athlon (barton) 2500+, riding on an ASUS A7V8X (deluxe, with broadcom gigabit ethernet onboard) mobo, or a Soyo Dragon Platinum. In either case, avoid the nForce and nForce 2 chipsets like the plague they are.
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    I just ordered (well I am tomarrow) A gigabyte with this: Description: Socket A for AMD Athlon XP / Athlon /Duron processor, VIA KT600 chipset, 400/333/266/200 MHz FSB, DDR400(PC3200)/ DDR333 (PC2700) / DDR266 (PC2100) -184pin, Max capacity : 3GB DIMM slots:3, 2 x UDMA ATA133/100/66 Bus Master IDE ports, 2 x USB 2.0 connectors (support 4 ports), 1 x AGP slot (8X/4X-AGP 3.0 compliant), 5 x PCI, ATX, Dimension.

    AMD AthlonXP 2700+
    512MB DDR RAM.

    and a junky generic full tower case. (6 drive bays) for.... $494.
  • FinaFina Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3267Members
    I've got the Barton 2500+ and Epox EP-8RDA+ motherboard. Works great. I've got the processor knocked up to the speeds of a 2800+ with the retail HSF without a hitch.
  • 0003900039 Join Date: 2003-03-18 Member: 14653Members
    get a A7N8X then some PC3200 ram and then bump the FSB up to 400 and voila instant 3200+
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--CommunistWithAGun+Oct 7 2003, 05:06 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Oct 7 2003, 05:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I just ordered (well I am tomarrow) A gigabyte with this: Description: Socket A for AMD Athlon XP / Athlon /Duron processor, VIA KT600 chipset, 400/333/266/200 MHz FSB, DDR400(PC3200)/ DDR333 (PC2700) / DDR266 (PC2100) -184pin, Max capacity : 3GB DIMM slots:3, 2 x UDMA ATA133/100/66 Bus Master IDE ports, 2 x USB 2.0 connectors (support 4 ports), 1 x AGP slot (8X/4X-AGP 3.0 compliant), 5 x PCI, ATX, Dimension.

    AMD AthlonXP 2700+
    512MB DDR RAM.

    and a junky generic full tower case. (6 drive bays) for.... $494. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No offence, but I think the 2700+ is a poor choice for a processor. It's among the worst price/performance ratios from AMD. You can save 20 bucks and get a 2600+ with Barton, which won't even feel that much worse.

    Well that's what I would choose because I'm so poor <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    <stagewhisper> The 2600+ is not a Barton core... </stagewhisper>

    And I stand beside what I said about avoiding the nVidiot nForce/2 chipset. Hell, people STILL are having problems getting them working... with GeForce cards! (ATI cards apparently work without a hitch.. they just can't get their own gear to work together without hiccups)
  • fo_sheezy_my_neezyfo_sheezy_my_neezy Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10768Members, Constellation
    just got a ASUS A7V8X-X/LAN KT400, AMD|2600 /333 ATHLON XP, 1024 MB PC2700 DDR (Corsair, good stuff), a Sony 16x DVD-ROM, a Sony 52x24x52 CD-RW, a generic case with no power supply, and a ALLIED ATX400P4 400W power supply for under $500. It works awesome (I just bought a new vid card and had hard drives already), so yeah. You're not going to see enough of a performance increase with the more expensive P4 to make it worthwhile. I reccomend the MB I got too (it's ASUS), and it was like $60. It's gog gigabit ethernet built in, with basic built in audio, USB 2.0, etc etc etc. Hooray newegg.com
  • FinaFina Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3267Members
    I had no problems getting my nForce working. I just moved the equipment from my old mobo, installed drivers, and it worked. My Ti4400 works better than ever.

    Though since you use the term 'nVidiot' I get the feeling that you are a anti-nVidia fanboy.
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    Nah, I just look at the specs. Many people have reported severe errors when using an nForce chipset mobo with a GeForce card.

    The term 'nVidiot' mostly comes from looking at the company's actions, utilizing their marketing muscle more than technical expertise to keep their marketshare, running outright smear campaigns in the past to keep superior cards off the store shelves so they could sell more of their own (ex: The Kyro2 video card, while priced to compete with the GF2MX boards, would easily keep pace with a GF2GTS, or even a GF2Ultra in most games. They put out an 'informational packet' to major suppliers, displaying 'major rendering errors' which ONLY surfaced when utilizing the advanced driver tweaks in a certain order, which were clearly labelled 'advanced users only'. This killed the sales of the K2 as no one was able to buy them, and see for themselves that the PVR tile-based renderer easily outperformed their immediate-mode path). As well, their current 'optimizations' in the drivers for a number of games which FORCE visual options down without letting users disable them, while *enabling* the highest-quality modes only when taking a _screenshot_, are viewed as highly shady. As well, bringing their marketshare to bear in muscling 3DMark into accepting their hard-coded tweaks ONLY for that benchmark (static culling planes inserted manually on a given sequence, ONLY raising performance in that benchmark alone).

    nVidiot is a fitting term for those proponents clinging to them, much the way a number of people still cling to 3Dfx.
  • GreyPawsGreyPaws Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8659Members
    I'd always go with intel over AMD, more stable and better performance... if you looking to overclock get one of the Asus mobos
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Cereal_KillR+Oct 7 2003, 01:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cereal_KillR @ Oct 7 2003, 01:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--CommunistWithAGun+Oct 7 2003, 05:06 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Oct 7 2003, 05:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I just ordered (well I am tomarrow) A gigabyte with this: Description: Socket A for AMD Athlon XP / Athlon /Duron processor, VIA KT600 chipset, 400/333/266/200 MHz FSB, DDR400(PC3200)/ DDR333 (PC2700) / DDR266 (PC2100) -184pin, Max capacity : 3GB DIMM slots:3, 2 x UDMA ATA133/100/66 Bus Master IDE ports, 2 x USB 2.0 connectors (support 4 ports), 1 x AGP slot (8X/4X-AGP 3.0 compliant), 5 x PCI, ATX, Dimension.

    AMD AthlonXP 2700+
    512MB DDR RAM.

    and a junky generic full tower case. (6 drive bays) for.... $494. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No offence, but I think the 2700+ is a poor choice for a processor. It's among the worst price/performance ratios from AMD. You can save 20 bucks and get a 2600+ with Barton, which won't even feel that much worse.

    Well that's what I would choose because I'm so poor <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Heh, you caught my typo. I am getting a 2600. T-bred. I looked it over in comparison to some mighty P4's. The P4's always JUST beat it by a lil' bit. Except on Games. That made me feel warm and fuzzy. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--GreyPaws+Oct 7 2003, 04:09 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GreyPaws @ Oct 7 2003, 04:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'd always go with intel over AMD, more stable and better performance... if you looking to overclock get one of the Asus mobos <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Uh... Better performance? AMD's cpus get 9 processes a cycle to Intel's 6. Thats why my 2600 clocked at 2.0somethingGhz performs as well as a 2.6Ghz pentium (Thats the reason behind the 2600 part <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> )
  • FinaFina Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3267Members
    Well, none of the hardware manufacturers are saints.

    I've been an AMD fan since I built my first >400mhz PC. The Athlons were almost always half the price of the Intel equivalents. Seeing as that I was on a small budget, this was perfect. I don't care if the P4's are a little faster, I save a good deal of cash with the AMDs. I haven't noticed any instability that could be blamed on the processor and not Windows itself.
  • HellbillyHellbilly A whole title out of pity... Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3931Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    I have a rock solid ASUS A7N8X with an xp1800+

    Go AMD <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • OttoDestructOttoDestruct Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
    I dunno Hellbilly you don't got smashing pumpkins in youre playlist.. I might be tempted to stay on the darkside.... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • ArcadiusArcadius Join Date: 2003-04-14 Member: 15491Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--CommunistWithAGun+Oct 6 2003, 10:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Oct 6 2003, 10:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I just ordered (well I am tomarrow) A gigabyte with this: Description: Socket A for AMD Athlon XP / Athlon /Duron processor, VIA KT600 chipset, 400/333/266/200 MHz FSB, DDR400(PC3200)/ DDR333 (PC2700) / DDR266 (PC2100) -184pin, Max capacity : 3GB DIMM slots:3, 2 x UDMA ATA133/100/66 Bus Master IDE ports, 2 x USB 2.0 connectors (support 4 ports), 1 x AGP slot (8X/4X-AGP 3.0 compliant), 5 x PCI, ATX, Dimension.

    AMD AthlonXP 2700+
    512MB DDR RAM.

    and a junky generic full tower case. (6 drive bays) for.... $494. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    CWAG where did you order that from? I'm looking into getting a new computer myself and that beats the pants off any price quote I've gotten so far.
  • OttoDestructOttoDestruct Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
    Ok I'm certain I'm going AMD now. One question. Whats the difference between a thoroughbred and barton core.
  • 0003900039 Join Date: 2003-03-18 Member: 14653Members
    barton has 512 kb l2 cache and lower clock speed and the tbreds have 256 kb l2 chache and higher clock speeds
  • OttoDestructOttoDestruct Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
    So Barton is better?
  • TenSixTenSix Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7932Members
    I don't even have enough money to speculate about what I would do if I had money <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Arcadius+Oct 7 2003, 08:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Arcadius @ Oct 7 2003, 08:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--CommunistWithAGun+Oct 6 2003, 10:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Oct 6 2003, 10:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I just ordered (well I am tomarrow) A gigabyte with this: Description: Socket A for AMD Athlon XP / Athlon /Duron processor, VIA KT600 chipset, 400/333/266/200 MHz FSB, DDR400(PC3200)/ DDR333 (PC2700) / DDR266 (PC2100) -184pin, Max capacity : 3GB DIMM slots:3, 2 x UDMA ATA133/100/66 Bus Master IDE ports, 2 x USB 2.0 connectors (support 4 ports), 1 x AGP slot (8X/4X-AGP 3.0 compliant), 5 x PCI, ATX, Dimension.

    AMD AthlonXP 2700+
    512MB DDR RAM.

    and a junky generic full tower case. (6 drive bays) for.... $494. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    CWAG where did you order that from? I'm looking into getting a new computer myself and that beats the pants off any price quote I've gotten so far. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well, the 2700 is a typo. I'm getting a 2600...


    Other than that, I get it special from my friends vendor...I usually get things at a very good price. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    Bartons perform just as well as TBreds at most things, excepting calculation-intensive tasks that require many variables to be swapped in and out of memory. The increased L2 cache gives them a hefty boost there... stuff like encoding, rendering, and the like.
  • OttoDestructOttoDestruct Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
    Ok some other questions.. I don't know anything about overclocking AMD systems. I hear people talk about multiplier, but got no clue. Any direction to a noob guide to overclocking? I also heard of people overclocking their 333 bus to 400, how is that done? The last computer I overclock was a P1 and that was like three years ago so I don't remember a whole lot LOL.
  • FinaFina Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3267Members
    The Bartons have twice as much cache, and run at a higher FSB than the TBreds. The TBreds run at higher clockspeeds, though. The reviews and benchmarks I read showed the Bartons running games faster than TBreds, while being slower in some business app tests due it's lower clockspeed.
  • OttoDestructOttoDestruct Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
    *bumpy*

    read last message
  • fo_sheezy_my_neezyfo_sheezy_my_neezy Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10768Members, Constellation
    the current price and speed of preccessors is such that you don't really need to overclock. That being said, as far as I know, to overclock all you do is change the voltage going to the CPU (in CMOS) and have a helluva lot of cooling.
  • OttoDestructOttoDestruct Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
    Did I ask the price? And anyway, no its not cheap, the cheapest 400 bus is $264 on newegg. Thats not cheap.
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    You could get a 2700+ Like me with 333FSB... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • OttoDestructOttoDestruct Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
    Thats what I am getting.... but I want to know how / if I should bother overclocking the bus and CPU
  • WheeeeWheeee Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    I thought soyo was bad at quality control
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