<!--QuoteBegin--|Owen|+Oct 9 2003, 12:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (|Owen| @ Oct 9 2003, 12:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> good to hear revolver... the LMG, HG and HMG need to look as if they're shooting lasers <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No problem. I'm just slightly concerned about the tracers, not sure where those are located...
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<!--QuoteBegin--Commando+Oct 9 2003, 09:59 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Commando @ Oct 9 2003, 09:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Jeez guys, don't let your ego's inflate your head to monsterous proportions, threatening to sue them is just pathetic.
If you didn't want people to ask about modelling it, don't post the concept art until your model is finished. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Exactly. Seriously... if you are adamant about it being a closed model-pack, take the conversation to e-mail or PM, and only transfer the concept art there.
All of which is entirely beside the point. Is there *honestly* any harm in others modelling off concept sketches? What... are other people's models (if any are produced) going to sneak onto Aka's hard drive, and delete his version? Or is it more paranoia about having someone else come in and do a BETTER version of the model, with fewer polies?
Okay, let's look at it, assuming that. Someone makes a better version. You now have a better-looking, better-performing version of your concept-weapon. Aka can make his version, which would be the 'official' one for this particular pack, while the 'better' one is out there for those who prefer to go get it.
In all honesty, following your train of thought, Bungie could sue you for creating a derivative work based upon their game. You own the concept sketches. Those fall under copyright law, and cannot be changed or used to create a derivative work... which in fair-use means no one can take your sketch, outline the gun, then copy and paste it into another picture. Or take your picture, draw on it, and then claim it is their drawing, without crediting you.
You can get into similarity and likeness, along with trademark dilution, but the fact of the matter is, you have not created a 3D model. People cannot simply exact-copy the lines from your drawing and work from there without permission, as that would be a derivative work. They *can*, however, create a model with resemblance, without breaking copyright. And unless a piece of art has been specifically trademarked, up to that point any lawsuit is based entirely upon that resemblance, and proving that it is a derivative work.
I've had to explain the distinction in the past to a number of art-pirate sites, who took beautiful drawings and colourations, and essentially traced them.. usually badly.. to produce the images on their site. In most cases, they were blatant tracery, with obvious modifications if-any. Sure, you can copyright a species you created (Ferai, for example) and ask other artists to provide creditation, or even to simply not draw them (of which it is VERY difficult to prevent beyond on a social level, so long as they give proper credit). Unfortunately, having already stated that these concepts are based roughly upon Halo, it becomes VERY sticky to try to sue someone for a concept you do not, yourself, bear ownership of. Additionally, there is a term you should learn. <b>Barratry</b>. This is where you threaten legal action in order to prompt a desired response, relying entirely upon that threat of legal action with no means or intention to back it up. Barratry is quite illegal.
Simply put after all this rambling and exposition, what you own is the sketch. If you would rather not have people make a 3D model of it beyond those specifically approved, do not post the sketch here, please. Take it to e-mail, and come back with the finished package when it is done.
First owen made the rifle look something like TAU weapon from WH40K then he edited it to look diffrent, and released the concept then we made the deal that the concepts are exclusive to me to model their. totally their own type, the name is just "Halo thing", otherwise its totally diffrent from Wh40k/Halo .
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If you didn't want people to ask about modelling it, don't post the concept art until your model is finished.
No problem. I'm just slightly concerned about the tracers, not sure where those are located...
If you didn't want people to ask about modelling it, don't post the concept art until your model is finished. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exactly. Seriously... if you are adamant about it being a closed model-pack, take the conversation to e-mail or PM, and only transfer the concept art there.
All of which is entirely beside the point. Is there *honestly* any harm in others modelling off concept sketches? What... are other people's models (if any are produced) going to sneak onto Aka's hard drive, and delete his version? Or is it more paranoia about having someone else come in and do a BETTER version of the model, with fewer polies?
Okay, let's look at it, assuming that. Someone makes a better version. You now have a better-looking, better-performing version of your concept-weapon. Aka can make his version, which would be the 'official' one for this particular pack, while the 'better' one is out there for those who prefer to go get it.
In all honesty, following your train of thought, Bungie could sue you for creating a derivative work based upon their game. You own the concept sketches. Those fall under copyright law, and cannot be changed or used to create a derivative work... which in fair-use means no one can take your sketch, outline the gun, then copy and paste it into another picture. Or take your picture, draw on it, and then claim it is their drawing, without crediting you.
You can get into similarity and likeness, along with trademark dilution, but the fact of the matter is, you have not created a 3D model. People cannot simply exact-copy the lines from your drawing and work from there without permission, as that would be a derivative work. They *can*, however, create a model with resemblance, without breaking copyright. And unless a piece of art has been specifically trademarked, up to that point any lawsuit is based entirely upon that resemblance, and proving that it is a derivative work.
I've had to explain the distinction in the past to a number of art-pirate sites, who took beautiful drawings and colourations, and essentially traced them.. usually badly.. to produce the images on their site. In most cases, they were blatant tracery, with obvious modifications if-any.
Sure, you can copyright a species you created (Ferai, for example) and ask other artists to provide creditation, or even to simply not draw them (of which it is VERY difficult to prevent beyond on a social level, so long as they give proper credit). Unfortunately, having already stated that these concepts are based roughly upon Halo, it becomes VERY sticky to try to sue someone for a concept you do not, yourself, bear ownership of.
Additionally, there is a term you should learn. <b>Barratry</b>. This is where you threaten legal action in order to prompt a desired response, relying entirely upon that threat of legal action with no means or intention to back it up. Barratry is quite illegal.
Simply put after all this rambling and exposition, what you own is the sketch. If you would rather not have people make a 3D model of it beyond those specifically approved, do not post the sketch here, please. Take it to e-mail, and come back with the finished package when it is done.
Surprise me. I like suprises. I'll be waiting for the release thread.