TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
Perhaps all the gear is taken with them back to Frontersman HQ, and is recycled there to fund more research and development, or office chairs, or something along those lines. Or better yet, FOOD to sustain the corps between Kharaa-clearing missions. Yes, that tasty MRE you're eating was once a part of the base of that Armory you set up on Nothing.
<!--QuoteBegin--Talesin+Oct 10 2003, 12:05 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Oct 10 2003, 12:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Perhaps all the gear is taken with them back to Frontersman HQ, and is recycled there to fund more research and development, or office chairs, or something along those lines. Or better yet, FOOD to sustain the corps between Kharaa-clearing missions. Yes, that tasty MRE you're eating was once a part of the base of that Armory you set up on Nothing.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> HAHAHAHA, How about,"I can't belive its not nano-sludge"
ok, if TSA frontiersmen are so smart, then why the heck they continuously try to reproduce with armory? Makes you think, huh? <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo-->
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<!--QuoteBegin--UnderDOG+Oct 10 2003, 12:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UnderDOG @ Oct 10 2003, 12:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--a civilian+Oct 9 2003, 09:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (a civilian @ Oct 9 2003, 09:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> They're not <i>that</i> small. They're nanobots, meaning their size is on the order of 10^-9 meters. The size of a subatomic particle, on the other hand, is on the order of 10^-15 meters. That's a million times smaller. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> haha, funny, but i think your assuming that a "bot" is a about a meter is size, so if they have the prefix nano-, they must be 10^-9 meters <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually, I'm assuming that the "nano" in nanobots comes from "nanometer".
<!--QuoteBegin--Talesin+Oct 10 2003, 12:05 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Oct 10 2003, 12:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes, that tasty MRE you're eating was once a part of the base of that Armory you set up on Nothing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Thanx, now I'll never be able to eat an MRE without puking again.
Repost to answer #2, asking why the TSA doesn't send in HA/HMG right at the start:
You, as a marine, are given an option at the beginning of a round: Your team may start with 500 res in the bank, every upgrade/technology researched, and a full outfitting of HA and heavy weapons. In exchange, however, you must give the aliens a 15-minute head start before you even enter the map. Would you take it?
Imagine what would happen. Every node on the map would be capped by the aliens, all hives built, every strategically important location fortified, and every alien their choice of lifeform with 100 res in reserve. Even if the marines weren't wiped out in the opening seconds of the game, the aliens could overwhelm them with wave after wave of tactically superior units. In short, the marines would be screwed.
The TSA succeeds where others have failed because they work fast. They dock with ships in hours instead of days, and can kill the infection before it spreads out of control. This approach can only be managed by keeping battle-ready transports in almost every inhabited star system, and an organization as deprived of funds as the TSA cannot afford to outfit each of these squads with top-of-the-line equipment. While focusing on fewer, better-equipped transports would be an option for the TSA, it would significantly slow their initial response time.
To allow the Kharaa a head start is suicide, and not worth any starting bonus.
<!--QuoteBegin--a civilian+Oct 10 2003, 05:28 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (a civilian @ Oct 10 2003, 05:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--UnderDOG+Oct 10 2003, 12:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UnderDOG @ Oct 10 2003, 12:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--a civilian+Oct 9 2003, 09:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (a civilian @ Oct 9 2003, 09:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> They're not <i>that</i> small. They're nanobots, meaning their size is on the order of 10^-9 meters. The size of a subatomic particle, on the other hand, is on the order of 10^-15 meters. That's a million times smaller. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> haha, funny, but i think your assuming that a "bot" is a about a meter is size, so if they have the prefix nano-, they must be 10^-9 meters <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually, I'm assuming that the "nano" in nanobots comes from "nanometer". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Question is, does that mean the size of the whole nanomachine is a nanometer in diameter or just a component of the nanomachine? Also, nanotechnology is defined as having at least one dimension on a scale of nanometers. It could be one large flat wafer. Nanotechnology is also defined as devices being built by the use of single atoms or molecules, which has no relation to nanometer.
There's alot of flexibility when it comes to nanotech in games as there are no precedents yet and terminology is in it's infancy.
TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
<!--QuoteBegin--SkulkBait+Oct 10 2003, 12:08 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Oct 10 2003, 12:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Talesin+Oct 10 2003, 12:05 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Oct 10 2003, 12:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes, that tasty MRE you're eating was once a part of the base of that Armory you set up on Nothing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Thanx, now I'll never be able to eat an MRE without puking again. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You were able to eat MREs without puking?
How the hell do you add electrons? Air is just h20. 18 electrons in total. Plus they would have to alter the orbit structure. i.e. the stuff with more than 2,8,8,2 elec config.
Long answer: The TSA are on a tight budget. Very few corporations or governments even *like* them, though the people love 'em to pieces. They can afford to send copies of software detailing the construction of given structures, but cannot justify sending along expensive equipment. In short, the structures and equipment they make are the 'fee' they charge a ship for clearing it of Kharaa, as they use ship resources to make them. They slot their equipment specs into the Comm Chair, and work from there with what they can lay their hands on. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> =) Good answer taken from the backstory as should be done.
<!--QuoteBegin--Geminosity+Oct 9 2003, 08:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Geminosity @ Oct 9 2003, 08:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> considering the super-low density of molecules, or 'mass' of the gas we call air it'd not only take a long time but you'd probably need deprive the ship of a breathable atmosphere just to make a shotgun <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
The TSA can't be that intelligent though; most of their recruits training seems to revolve around wedging their member in the armoury and fufilling their empty chamber needs <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> hahahah beautiful!
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Replicating nanotech is extremely dangerous and nearly non-existent today. The dangers of a machine that never stops, or can reproduce itself into infinity, are too great. Early mistakes destroyed entire planets, and created "hot zones" that will be off limits for many generations. The destructive potential of this technology dwarfs anything man has encountered or imagined.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
From the NS manual, It CAN be unlimited, but its too dangerous.
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<!--QuoteBegin--Black Mage+Oct 9 2003, 09:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Black Mage @ Oct 9 2003, 09:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--Epoch666+Oct 9 2003, 07:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epoch666 @ Oct 9 2003, 07:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A> Where does the MASS come from, to make more nano-sludge? It doesn't appear out of thin air.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In theroy it should. Nanobots should be able to make the atoms in the air into anything they were programed to by addin or removing electrons and/or protons/neutrons. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> owned <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> "Energy can be changed from one form to another, but it cannot be created or destroyed. The total amount of energy and matter in the Universe remains constant, merely changing from one form to another."
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edited October 2003
<!--QuoteBegin--PseudoKnight+Oct 10 2003, 04:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (PseudoKnight @ Oct 10 2003, 04:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Nanotechnology is also defined as devices being built by the use of single atoms or molecules, which has no relation to nanometer.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That would equal basically the same size though. The size of an atom is on the order of 10^-10 meters, or one tenth of a nanometer.
ok let me now get this question down too seeing how eventually someone will post this: the TSA dont blow up the ships with aliens on them because 1. they want to learn more or find out what happened to the crew AND 2. its a game
a_civilianLikes seeing numbersJoin Date: 2003-01-08Member: 12041Members, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead
<!--QuoteBegin--Diablus+Oct 10 2003, 03:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Diablus @ Oct 10 2003, 03:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ok let me now get this question down too seeing how eventually someone will post this: the TSA dont blow up the ships with aliens on them because 1. they want to learn more or find out what happened to the crew AND 2. its a game <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> 3. The ship's owners don't want them to do that.
TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
<!--QuoteBegin--a civilian+Oct 10 2003, 11:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (a civilian @ Oct 10 2003, 11:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Diablus+Oct 10 2003, 03:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Diablus @ Oct 10 2003, 03:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ok let me now get this question down too seeing how eventually someone will post this: the TSA dont blow up the ships with aliens on them because 1. they want to learn more or find out what happened to the crew AND 2. its a game <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> 3. The ship's owners don't want them to do that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> 4. Ships are freaking EXPENSIVE, even aside from any cargo.
and to cause such a explosion you'd have to spam helluva lots of tripmines <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo-->
...not to mention the fact that debris carrying Kharaa bacteria could drift over to other space stations, or even planets and moons, which might have colonies.
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HAHAHAHA,
How about,"I can't belive its not nano-sludge"
Makes you think, huh? <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo-->
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haha, funny, but i think your assuming that a "bot" is a about a meter is size, so if they have the prefix nano-, they must be 10^-9 meters
<!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, I'm assuming that the "nano" in nanobots comes from "nanometer".
Thanx, now I'll never be able to eat an MRE without puking again.
You, as a marine, are given an option at the beginning of a round: Your team may start with 500 res in the bank, every upgrade/technology researched, and a full outfitting of HA and heavy weapons. In exchange, however, you must give the aliens a 15-minute head start before you even enter the map. Would you take it?
Imagine what would happen. Every node on the map would be capped by the aliens, all hives built, every strategically important location fortified, and every alien their choice of lifeform with 100 res in reserve. Even if the marines weren't wiped out in the opening seconds of the game, the aliens could overwhelm them with wave after wave of tactically superior units. In short, the marines would be screwed.
The TSA succeeds where others have failed because they work fast. They dock with ships in hours instead of days, and can kill the infection before it spreads out of control. This approach can only be managed by keeping battle-ready transports in almost every inhabited star system, and an organization as deprived of funds as the TSA cannot afford to outfit each of these squads with top-of-the-line equipment. While focusing on fewer, better-equipped transports would be an option for the TSA, it would significantly slow their initial response time.
To allow the Kharaa a head start is suicide, and not worth any starting bonus.
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haha, funny, but i think your assuming that a "bot" is a about a meter is size, so if they have the prefix nano-, they must be 10^-9 meters
<!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, I'm assuming that the "nano" in nanobots comes from "nanometer". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Question is, does that mean the size of the whole nanomachine is a nanometer in diameter or just a component of the nanomachine? Also, nanotechnology is defined as having at least one dimension on a scale of nanometers. It could be one large flat wafer. Nanotechnology is also defined as devices being built by the use of single atoms or molecules, which has no relation to nanometer.
There's alot of flexibility when it comes to nanotech in games as there are no precedents yet and terminology is in it's infancy.
Thanx, now I'll never be able to eat an MRE without puking again. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You were able to eat MREs without puking?
Air is just h20.
18 electrons in total.
Plus they would have to alter the orbit structure. i.e. the stuff with more than 2,8,8,2 elec config.
Huh?
Long answer: The TSA are on a tight budget. Very few corporations or governments even *like* them, though the people love 'em to pieces. They can afford to send copies of software detailing the construction of given structures, but cannot justify sending along expensive equipment. In short, the structures and equipment they make are the 'fee' they charge a ship for clearing it of Kharaa, as they use ship resources to make them. They slot their equipment specs into the Comm Chair, and work from there with what they can lay their hands on. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
=) Good answer taken from the backstory as should be done.
The TSA can't be that intelligent though; most of their recruits training seems to revolve around wedging their member in the armoury and fufilling their empty chamber needs <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
hahahah beautiful!
From the NS manual, It CAN be unlimited, but its too dangerous.
Thanks for all the backstory quotes, the question has definitely be anwered. The answer is...IT IS A FRICKING GAME!
<span style='color:green'>*Spored again.*</span>
In theroy it should. Nanobots should be able to make the atoms in the air into anything they were programed to by addin or removing electrons and/or protons/neutrons. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
owned <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
"Energy can be changed from one form to another, but it cannot be created or destroyed. The total amount of energy and matter in the Universe remains constant, merely changing from one form to another."
<b>owned</b> by the first law of thermodynamics.
The TSA are Poor, and its a game.
Wouldn't be much fun if they didn't have to work for a victory!
That would equal basically the same size though. The size of an atom is on the order of 10^-10 meters, or one tenth of a nanometer.
3. The ship's owners don't want them to do that.
3. The ship's owners don't want them to do that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
4. Ships are freaking EXPENSIVE, even aside from any cargo.
5. There *might* still be survivors.
7. look at reason 2.
8. look at reason 7.
9. If you still have questions, refer to reason 8.