Inquiry To Do With Possible Aa / Pistol Scripting
RooK
Join Date: 2003-10-15 Member: 21694Members, Constellation
Join Date: 2003-10-15 Member: 21694Members, Constellation
Been playin NS since 1.02, just don't post here... some of you might know me as xE.Serge, but that doesn't matter.
Anyways, I observed a really odd cat tonight. He was unusually good, to say the least. Never missed anything, and seemed to know where things were coming from before they turned the corner. I can understand having your crosshair looking dead center in a hallway, then looking up to shoot a skulk, but being prepared for the skulk and already aiming up... hmm...
Anyways... He had a little medialion by his name - I have no clue what that is, so if its some uber leet player, let me know.
Don't get me wrong, I KNOW there are godly aims out there (i'm one of em <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> ) but this was wierd. Maybe it was just the ping differences, but it didn't seem to matter where his crosshair was... he would land every single shot. Never miss one. And he obviously was using a pistol script.
So, I guess my question is, how much are cheats used in NS? I don't participate in clans - the xE is just to make it look like i'm not a nub. I had written an autofire script a while back, but don't use it anymore - just wanted to see if I could do it, so I know it can be done, but I thought I read something about an anti scripting feature - which this guy had found a way past. And yah, I know about just binding your fire to mousewheel... this wasn't the case.
The most odd thing was that he really seemed to hit everything... he would hop over an alien, his crosshair wouldn't match up, but you could see the hits registering from the green blood. Is that just the lag?
Anyways, I observed a really odd cat tonight. He was unusually good, to say the least. Never missed anything, and seemed to know where things were coming from before they turned the corner. I can understand having your crosshair looking dead center in a hallway, then looking up to shoot a skulk, but being prepared for the skulk and already aiming up... hmm...
Anyways... He had a little medialion by his name - I have no clue what that is, so if its some uber leet player, let me know.
Don't get me wrong, I KNOW there are godly aims out there (i'm one of em <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> ) but this was wierd. Maybe it was just the ping differences, but it didn't seem to matter where his crosshair was... he would land every single shot. Never miss one. And he obviously was using a pistol script.
So, I guess my question is, how much are cheats used in NS? I don't participate in clans - the xE is just to make it look like i'm not a nub. I had written an autofire script a while back, but don't use it anymore - just wanted to see if I could do it, so I know it can be done, but I thought I read something about an anti scripting feature - which this guy had found a way past. And yah, I know about just binding your fire to mousewheel... this wasn't the case.
The most odd thing was that he really seemed to hit everything... he would hop over an alien, his crosshair wouldn't match up, but you could see the hits registering from the green blood. Is that just the lag?
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Also, the only anti-pistolscripting measure that was implemented in 2.0 was the rate of fire cap, which is something like five bullets per second. It is possible to fire the pistol as rapidly as is allowed by the rate of fire cap, without using a script (or even mousewheel). I can do it.
Another thing, it's not that difficult to know where an enemy is coming from, if you listen.
mouse wheel does it tho. there's no way you can fire faster than the other guy that uses mouse wheel..
I dont think that the fire-cap was capped enough..
- mousewheeling is stupid. You can easily fire faster with your finger. So basically finger > script > mwheel. Some people use mwheel as a preference, but it gives you no advantage.
- first person spectating kinda sucks for telling if someone is aimbotting. Its not true to whats really happening. Unless of course its like some maxed out aimbot thats rediculously obvious. Sometimes you can tell when they cant hit hives, or cant switch targets. Sometimes...
- some people are really good at predicting hiding spots. I know just about every corner of every map. Sometimes I'll hear a really slight skulk step, leave that exact area for a few seconds, come back and figure out the most likely hiding spot. I kill alot of skulks in obvious spots that after i go "omg i'm so getting banned for that one".
- i doubt someone with a vet icon would be stupid enough to cheat using their main wonid.
- wait, they were definately hacking. Vets suck at ns :/ <3 rennex <3
but to answer your question, yes there are hackers in ns. I haven't seen nearly as much of it in 2.x as i did in 1.0x, but they do exist. You'd silly to think otherwise.
Thats what I thought for the most part. Just wanted to know... that and what the medal ment. If I had to choose I probably would have said he wasn't cheating,
but it was just pointless to spec - come to think of it... it was almost like the opposite of lag in games like QW / Q3. Wierd science.
And Yshiwhaddi****, it was (-_-) or whatever. But I will contest he wasn't just "pressing a button" really fast. Mousewheel at least, and it seemed like more than 5 rounds per second, or whatever lucid said.
I'd kinda just like to see scripting blocked somehow... I know this will **** a lot of people off, but you know the ones i'm talking about... the fade script that i've seen used a couple times... (and could probably write if I felt the need) where the fade blinks right up to your face and then swipes you... Easy to write... Thinking about it right now, after writing the script it would be just holding down a button until you get in the marines face, then letting go and it would auto swipe.
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But the rate of fire is <i>capped</i> at five rounds per second (or whatever it's capped at). That is the limit. It cannot be exceeded.
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You've seen it used? How could you know they were using it? That action is very possible without using a script.
its too obvious... it works too well
In fact, I had just written out a script that would perform that action, and was about to hit submit, but I don't want you people using my brains <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
just a couple aliases... wait a sec... do aliases even work in HL anymore? For some reason I get the feeling they don't.
Shows how much I know... my config -
bind mouse1 +attack
phear it.
Also, aliases do work in HL.
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THE IRONY!
I'm not even gonna tell you, just figure it out yourself. hint:
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Cats have a pretty good sense of smell.
(roofle @ Yumosis)
Also, I'm totally not getting this (-_-) reference either. What the hell is that supposed to be, a sad face wearing giant headphones or something? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> Totally clueless over here to your geeky gamer in-jokes. Please to be explaining?
gg NS inside jokes.
there is only a gap in the animation
you can swipe kill people while you are still bringing up your weapon haveing just blinked in to there face
as for pistol scripts, they still work
(takes breath)
AHAhahAhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Anyhow:
That player doesn't hack. He hates hackers, to be honest. However, he is extreamlly good. Lone rambo skulks have a low chance in hell of killing him.
- yes pistol scripts still work but they are stupid. Don't you think its a lil silly to use a script for something you can do better without it?
- you dont need a script to blink/swipe leap/bite etc. Just have hud_fastswitch set to 1, and bind a key to lastinv (technically you dont even need this). The animation wont play for the first swipe after switching from blink but it still happens. Test it on an empty server with a friend. Sometimes you won't hit them but thats just because you missed <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
- the (-_-) guy is yumosis. Notice he was the one who posted "*cough* maybe he was a "elite" haxor, his name wasnt by any chance (-_-) was it?" He doesn't hack but he definately isn't good either. I think maybe you are just easily impressed.
- there really isnt anything in ns that scripting can help you do better. Maybe some things but not really. Scripting is more of a preference. Like I use arrows instead of WASD. I just like a different setup. Same with ns scripters.
*Fight Fight Fight*
Lerk walks in, Lerk blows up.
And, this is why I don't often randomly pub. Always these guys on your case if you have headphones (dude, how the hell did you know I was there? I was in a vent!).
Oh yeah and as a guy who never scripts just practice with the fade and you can get the blink swipe down. I dont get it every time but I get quite a few script like kills with fade using 1 and 2 to switch back and forth, prolly get more with lastinv but I'm too lazy.
It's really easy to avoid all but the gorge and lerk's idle noise for each race.
Just crouch bunny hop as that alien race. You won't make any noises, because you are silent, and because you crouch you make zero noises. I do this as an onos, I think it's hilarious.
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Your jealousy flatters me, nub.
I won't have such witchhunts around my boards.