No offense but..
Raven1
Join Date: 2002-04-02 Member: 374Members
Join Date: 2002-04-02 Member: 374Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Reality check</div>The MOD isnt even out yet, perhaps you should wait before puting in the financial burder of an internet radio service and all this other stuff, why not wait and see how the fan base is. cuz no offense at all, but even with all the peopel on this forum playing at teh same time, ur still gonna have a miniscule fan base compared to most of the mainstream MODs
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I don't really think its up to you to decide where people want to spend their money, besides its the people who are putting the effort and money in that may help this mod become big.
and then we can have some comercials on dod radio for the mod with a "wanna find out more got to ns radio or our web site" stuff.
You say that it would be a bad idea to over extend the mod..but the very action of extending something is what makes it grow. You, more than anyone, should know that taking risks is what business is all about. From what I've heard, though this may be wrong, Flayra has spent thousands on this mod, BUT his risk has paid off.
Immensely. Not even released, yet the mod has a good Following. Not even released, but already clans are switching from CS to NS. The radio might be a burden, might not be popular, BUT Any advertising is useful advertising. While it might only hit less than 2% of the target audience, it would atleast get some people interested.
NS is a Modification...and yet, it's also it's own game. The NS Team could, Quite easily, Purchase rights to use the Half-life Engine, and release their own, stand online game, like the makers of Jedi Knight: Jedi Outcast did. Instead, Flayra will be releasing this game free for download on the internet.
It seems to me that, while Flayra seems a very practical man and could be a VERY wealthy businessman and programmer if he so wished, He enjoys having a simple, relaxing life. He doesn't seem to be trying to get anything out of NS, Yet, while it might also drain on his income, it also is revolutionizing the gaming Industry.
So even if this game is a flunk with player base, even if it is a massive plunk with money, It will still place a deep mark on gaming in the future. That mark is something that will never be smoothed or Etched out.
Flayra once said in an interview that Mods are an Art Form. This holds true, and, were NS gauged along side some of the best paintings, it would make the Mona Lisa look like doodling. Sometimes it's the changes or emotions something creates that outweighs any price.
Before I get completely off target with this post, let me sum it up. Basically you Compare NS to a Business project, created for revenue. This does not hold true, as NS surpasses such meager Bounderies. NS is a masterpiece and a shining beacon of the skills of all involved. It was not created for the purpose of revenue, as far as I can see, and while I am not Flayra or one of his wonderful staff members, I say that one cannot put a price on being able to express one's self by creating a Masterpiece of art.
Flayra has managed to make his fans even more excited in NS than even him (With the help of Monse), and that is why so many people wish to donate to server funds and internet radios. It is this Fanaticism among the fans that will ASSURE that NS will be a successful Modification, even if the fan base never grows.
However, with this many excited Fans, and with such great content to it, I fully expect that NS will turn out to be very popular, and I am sure that every cent that has gone into it, both from Flaya and Staff, and from the Fan Base, will all be rewarded with enjoyment, fun, and amusement of everyone, once it's released. I am quite sure that Flayra and Staff won't be able to do anything except be proud of the wonderful work they have created.
Thank you for your time and Patience in reading this post, long as it may be.
/me cries for joy
jedisar is right this mod will shape games/mods to come, even if its only proving to the team that they can see things to the end! but read jedisar's post hes the
demi-god of ns
Interesting. I've never seen a pessimistic who didn't say that.
See, I don't doubt that you've got a great knowledge in buisness managment, but the attitude you're speaking up for would result in not only no mods, but also no 'real' games, no movies, no books, no art whatsoever.
Every kind of art, and especially the 'bigger' (more profitable) kinds have got a certain point when all that's known is a concept, an idea of an idea of what something great could look like.
If the original artist would be confronted with people who think in the same 'cost - benefit' categories you seem to use, he would never see the support, motivation, and money necessary to bring his project to live.
We, the pre-release community of this game (I refuse calling it a mod), <i>have</i> seen the concept, and decided that the idea of the idea of what Natural Selection will become is worth our time and effort.
Having seen it in action, I can say that it was the right descision.
I'm no businessman. I studied art at college. The whole time I was fully aware that I, (or indeed the vast majority of my fellow students) was unlikely to get rich doing this.
I picked that because I had a passion for art and creating things...
Btw, my grades were perfectly adequate for a business or science course if that was what I had decided on..
Anyway, I dont know about internet radio stations or whatever but this game totally caught my attention from the first screenies.
I dont make a habit of registering on forums etc, but I thought I would here. Maybe be able to get involved in the playtesting etc eventually although I realise there are a lot of you who have been waiting in line a lot longer than me..
In all my time playing games (20+ years), the only other time I have even tried or considered trying to register as a tester was StarWars Galaxies, which I fully expect to be one of the biggest games of all time. I cant see NS making quite the kind of impact I expect SWG to, but I can still see it becoming very popular indeed..
The NS team seem to have a vision which they are following, and to me it looks like a very cool vision indeed.
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Point #2: For a kid working on a college degree, your spelling and puctuation use sure leaves a lot to be desired; I hope you type better on your papers. Spelling and grammar count for a *lot* on this forum.
You say that it would be a bad idea to over extend the mod..but the very action of extending something is what makes it grow. You, more than anyone, should know that taking risks is what business is all about. From what I've heard, though this may be wrong, Flayra has spent thousands on this mod, BUT his risk has paid off.
Immensely. Not even released, yet the mod has a good Following. Not even released, but already clans are switching from CS to NS. The radio might be a burden, might not be popular, BUT Any advertising is useful advertising. While it might only hit less than 2% of the target audience, it would atleast get some people interested.
NS is a Modification...and yet, it's also it's own game. The NS Team could, Quite easily, Purchase rights to use the Half-life Engine, and release their own, stand online game, like the makers of Jedi Knight: Jedi Outcast did. Instead, Flayra will be releasing this game free for download on the internet.
It seems to me that, while Flayra seems a very practical man and could be a VERY wealthy businessman and programmer if he so wished, He enjoys having a simple, relaxing life. He doesn't seem to be trying to get anything out of NS, Yet, while it might also drain on his income, it also is revolutionizing the gaming Industry.
So even if this game is a flunk with player base, even if it is a massive plunk with money, It will still place a deep mark on gaming in the future. That mark is something that will never be smoothed or Etched out.
Flayra once said in an interview that Mods are an Art Form. This holds true, and, were NS gauged along side some of the best paintings, it would make the Mona Lisa look like doodling. Sometimes it's the changes or emotions something creates that outweighs any price.
Before I get completely off target with this post, let me sum it up. Basically you Compare NS to a Business project, created for revenue. This does not hold true, as NS surpasses such meager Bounderies. NS is a masterpiece and a shining beacon of the skills of all involved. It was not created for the purpose of revenue, as far as I can see, and while I am not Flayra or one of his wonderful staff members, I say that one cannot put a price on being able to express one's self by creating a Masterpiece of art.
Flayra has managed to make his fans even more excited in NS than even him (With the help of Monse), and that is why so many people wish to donate to server funds and internet radios. It is this Fanaticism among the fans that will ASSURE that NS will be a successful Modification, even if the fan base never grows.
However, with this many excited Fans, and with such great content to it, I fully expect that NS will turn out to be very popular, and I am sure that every cent that has gone into it, both from Flaya and Staff, and from the Fan Base, will all be rewarded with enjoyment, fun, and amusement of everyone, once it's released. I am quite sure that Flayra and Staff won't be able to do anything except be proud of the wonderful work they have created.
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What he said...with less commas :-D
You can almost say NS is a model community right now, eager fans, helpful moderators and dev team, site updated at least weekly and not monthly (readyroom.org that is), and the new guys are greeted with hello's and not STFU newb <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
Adding a radio station just enhances the community feeling and could help the new guys out when the talk about what NS is and do some Q&A about it. If the fanbase is this eager and willing to help now, I am sure this community will try and stay in the best shape it can, even when release time comes around and the 'newbs' show up.
no offense;)
but man, they can place a radio, because they love so much this amazing masterpiece of game.
and you cant be so pessimist to come here and say: DONT PLACE THE RADIO OR WE ARE GOING TO BE DOOOOMED!!!!
i think that you are far away from the concept of a fan, so when you learn what loving a game is, comeback and teach us some bussines management.....
i just wanna say that the radio is such big fan thing, think of it a bit, a radio of a game that hasnt been released yet, i think that this mod has a lot, and i mean a lot of fans, not the registered ones, coz we are the real fans <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo--> but there´s also a lot of people that just checks the forums but they dont post........
the point here is that you should try to be a lot more optimistic, because the radio is a fan thing, and not an official dev. team proyect so this is not going to affect the mod in any way (well its gonna affect, but it will only bring greatness and glory to it <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->) so please raven, let the people keep their dreams, and make em true......
btw: Jedisar we wuv ya!!!!
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Well.. no I wont.. but I just had an urge to yell some threatening comment. my docter says its perfectly normal.
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Cheers Jed. Perfectly stated.
Well you're obviously not an english major :-)
dont forget, when dod and cs were first released mod's werent a big deal
Sorry jed but i wanted to translate this one.
Until they got help from valve, and i seriously don't think that Natural Selection needs any help. I noticed that i have some spelling errors but i can read it and so you should be able to.I now cannot remember what i was about to say as my brain has ceased to function again.
CS was one of the first mods, but I waited for DoD forever. DoD is actually kinda young in HL's standards. The only reason mods are a "big deal" is because CS is the #1 played online action game. Don't ask me why, I'm not quite sure how people can mindlessly shoot eachother on that mod as much as they do, but it doesn't matter.
HL's mod market is flooded with potential players, that was a big reason the dev's chose the HL engine.
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