<!--QuoteBegin--Geminosity+Oct 16 2003, 04:00 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Geminosity @ Oct 16 2003, 04:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No offence but as fun as those things are they're all stuff you'd find in various forms in current RPGs anyways; mounts, vehicles, chatting, funny stuff, cool stuff because of the environment, 'craft' skills, etc
Not that exciting once the novelties wear off but I'll probably still give it a go if there's a free trial, if not it already sounds like the 8 or more MMORPGs I've tried over the years that started off feeling cool until the shiny outer surface wore away revealing the tired, giant-calculator treadmill nature underneath all of them =P <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Don't worry, it's Final Fantasy! <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> It sounds like the same old thing, but it's got such a nice touch to it that you probably won't notice. If you do, it'll still be fun. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
- the cheaters, hackers and dupers who have all the unique/rare/set/pink items you can dream of and probably haven't even heard of. In fact, some of them probably aren't even available in game or ever have been. The infamous - "the game crashed when I did *this* - and wow! look what I found in my backpack!". Yeah, riiight. Pull the other one, it's got bells on.
- the depressives who just want someone to pour their problems to. They just hang around the outskirts in the meeting areas.
- the ADDs who jump around the meeting areas screaming 'Look at me! Look at me! I want attention NOW'.
- the lazy. They want help, money, directions, lends of your big weapons, help killing things, websites, cheats etc...
- the inpenatrable cliques.
- the gargantuan squabbles over mob killing rights. Designers think the best way to limit the number of decent items in game is to give them to unique mobs who's destiny is to spawn once a month and be instantly slaughtered by half the player base on the server. What follows is a gargantuan squabble over looting rights. Then there's the gargantuan squabble over who nicked the loot while everyone was squabbling over who's loot it is.
- the twinkers who exploit the gap between cheating and the rules. They never actually use 3rd party tools to cheat, but they assume that if you can do it in-game - it's legal. This is where most of the duping occurs.
- the beta testers who dominate the game because they've got a massive head start in game knowledge.
- the ebayers who think it really is a way to make a living by spending 2 days waiting for unique mobs to spawn, or slaughtering 100,000s of mobs just to get that rare drop.
- the cheaters who actually *do* make a living by selling fairy dust and fool's gold.
- the con artists who prey on the ill-informed.
- the old hands who have playing so long they probably wrote the damn thing. They have 100s items that were discontinued years ago. They have the most powerful characters so PK'ing them is impossible no matter how much time you spend in game.
- Finally, the designers who think that 'balance' means 'nerf'. Periodically, they prevent strong items from dropping in game giving advantage to the older player base under the illusion that its rewarding the committed players. They will only ban the cheaters under real life threats of harm to them and their families. Their communication with the player base is one or two posts a week in the game forums on trivial matters.
MMORPGs are released 1 year before they should be so they're full of bugs and the servers are woefully inadequate. The server logging is non-existent. Most of the cheating occurs in the first 6 months by which time the economy is ruined and the lords and ladies have already moved in, settled down and are already ordering the less fortunate around. There is no reimbursement policy. Additional content is the odd extra mob once-in-a-while (presumably most of the programming effort is spect plugging the holes in the core design). New items are so weak its like comparing a drinking straw to a lump hammer in terms of skull-bashing effectiveness.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->the gargantuan squabbles over mob killing rights. Designers think the best way to limit the number of decent items in game is to give them to unique mobs who's destiny is to spawn once a month and be instantly slaughtered by half the player base on the server. What follows is a gargantuan squabble over looting rights. Then there's the gargantuan squabble over who nicked the loot while everyone was squabbling over who's loot it is. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah... I'd prolly be the guy snatching all the loot.
Creep, from my experience, FFXI is most definately not like that. (Except for the beta testers part, but you can't help that. Someone has to do the job. It's their reward for testing, I guess.)
The only Problem I have with FF games from 7 on, is the fact that it takes SOOOOOOO LONG and SOOOO many fights to get some things, like Experince. Example in FF7 You could beat the game 100 times faster than you could beat any of the "Weapons". You needed to get majorly strong to take the "Weapons" on!
Example in FF8 MAGIC!!!! You know how long it takes to get some of the higher level spells. You could spend an hour just getting 100 of the lower level spells... GRRRR.
Example in FF9 Again, you need to level up soooo much!!! (said note: FF9 had my favorite characters, I liked "Zidane" even more than "Cloud" <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->)
Example in FF10 CHOCOBO GAME!!!!!!!!! WORST 5 DAYS OF MY LIFE! I get a time of 0:0:0, but you need a time of less than 0:0:0. I have never wanted to die so bad! <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> (side note: Best FF game to date, but FFx:2 is going to bomb!)
<!--QuoteBegin--CForrester+Oct 16 2003, 02:07 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Oct 16 2003, 02:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Don't knock on FFXI until you've tried it. If you don't like FFXI, then DON'T TALK HERE! You ONLY have a right to form an opinion about FFXI AFTER you've played it for yourself. End of story.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Excuse me? FFXI may end up being really good. It may even be worth a monthly fee in excess of ten dollars. It mightn't. The one thing I KNOW about it is that it comes with a p2p-fee. I'll discuss that, with or without your permission.
Then there is the speculation. Consider this: Many MMORPGs have launched in a buggy, incomplete state. Many of them were (like the one Creep mentioned) released far too early. Many of them are broken in balance and/or economy. All of the major ones have an additional "keep paying us after you buy the game"-tag. Nowadays, expecting upcoming MMORPGs to go down the same path can hardly be considered prejudice anymore. Standard practice in courtrooms is "Innocent until proven guilty", but for MMORPGs, I can no longer apply this policy. SWG was supposed to be the saviour of the afflicted, both Star Wars- and MMORPG-enthusiasts alike. The game launched in a flurry of bugs, the much-sought-after force powers are not even on the horizon yet (later expansion pack perhaps?), several classes are imbalanced, quests still seem pointless. At least the houses no longer disappear. A MMORPG can no longer say "I'm gonna be great!", because so much indicates otherwise. It's a MMORPG? Then chances are it's gonna suck.
What does this boil down to? Chances are FFXI will suck. There's no denying it, only hoping otherwise. Guilty until proven innocent. We'll see what happens upon launch. I for one am anxiously awaiting the reviews. I'd love a FF MMORPG, but only if it were something very much different from the MMORPGs I've seen so far. Square is not infallible, they've proven that <span style='font-size:7pt;line-height:100%'>(*cough*SpiritsWithin*cough*)</span>. I've seen the graphics of FFXI, and they're great, but great graphics a great game do not make. THAT is the end of my story. And I'll tell that story <i>with</i> or <i>without</i> your permission. Last time I checked, I didn't need it.
<!--QuoteBegin--Majin+Oct 16 2003, 10:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Majin @ Oct 16 2003, 10:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The only Problem I have with FF games from 7 on, is the fact that it takes SOOOOOOO LONG and SOOOO many fights to get some things, like Experince. Example in FF7 You could beat the game 100 times faster than you could beat any of the "Weapons". You needed to get majorly strong to take the "Weapons" on!
Example in FF8 MAGIC!!!! You know how long it takes to get some of the higher level spells. You could spend an hour just getting 100 of the lower level spells... GRRRR.
Example in FF9 Again, you need to level up soooo much!!! (said note: FF9 had my favorite characters, I liked "Zidane" even more than "Cloud" <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->)
Example in FF10 CHOCOBO GAME!!!!!!!!! WORST 5 DAYS OF MY LIFE! I get a time of 0:0:0, but you need a time of less than 0:0:0. I have never wanted to die so bad! <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> (side note: Best FF game to date, but FFx:2 is going to bomb!) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> In FF7 it took me 20 minutes to defeat emerald WEAPON.... Demi-Mine-Rinse-repeat- Knights of The Round and level 4 limit breaks= pwnt
In FF8, visit hell island...fight a couple Marlboros... draw magic from them. Theres even draw points on the world make for spells like Apocolypse and Ultima.
Dr. D, do remember this is Square/Enix, the people responsible for the Star Ocean Series, Legend of Dragoon, Secret of Mana, Final Fantasties and so much more. They don't know how to make a bad game. *cough* I liked Spirits Within *cough*
Geminosity, it's Final Fantasy. Instead of portals and standard magic runes and horses and stuff...expect Airships, chocobo's and moogles!
<!--QuoteBegin--lolfighter+Oct 16 2003, 12:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Oct 16 2003, 12:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--CForrester+Oct 16 2003, 02:07 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Oct 16 2003, 02:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Don't knock on FFXI until you've tried it. If you don't like FFXI, then DON'T TALK HERE! You ONLY have a right to form an opinion about FFXI AFTER you've played it for yourself. End of story.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Excuse me? FFXI may end up being really good. It may even be worth a monthly fee in excess of ten dollars. It mightn't. The one thing I KNOW about it is that it comes with a p2p-fee. I'll discuss that, with or without your permission.
Then there is the speculation. Consider this: Many MMORPGs have launched in a buggy, incomplete state. Many of them were (like the one Creep mentioned) released far too early. Many of them are broken in balance and/or economy. All of the major ones have an additional "keep paying us after you buy the game"-tag. Nowadays, expecting upcoming MMORPGs to go down the same path can hardly be considered prejudice anymore. Standard practice in courtrooms is "Innocent until proven guilty", but for MMORPGs, I can no longer apply this policy. SWG was supposed to be the saviour of the afflicted, both Star Wars- and MMORPG-enthusiasts alike. The game launched in a flurry of bugs, the much-sought-after force powers are not even on the horizon yet (later expansion pack perhaps?), several classes are imbalanced, quests still seem pointless. At least the houses no longer disappear. A MMORPG can no longer say "I'm gonna be great!", because so much indicates otherwise. It's a MMORPG? Then chances are it's gonna suck.
What does this boil down to? Chances are FFXI will suck. There's no denying it, only hoping otherwise. Guilty until proven innocent. We'll see what happens upon launch. I for one am anxiously awaiting the reviews. I'd love a FF MMORPG, but only if it were something very much different from the MMORPGs I've seen so far. Square is not infallible, they've proven that <span style='font-size:7pt;line-height:100%'>(*cough*SpiritsWithin*cough*)</span>. I've seen the graphics of FFXI, and they're great, but great graphics a great game do not make. THAT is the end of my story. And I'll tell that story <i>with</i> or <i>without</i> your permission. Last time I checked, I didn't need it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I was talking about the people who say FFXI itself is going to suck, not about the people talking about pay-to-play.
Also, keep in mind that FFXI has had over a year in Japan to shape up, so the North American release should be a good one. From what I've heard from people in Japan, SquareEnix has been supporting FFXI really well. The beta just ended 2 days ago and it was great. Star Wars Galaxies hasn't been released in Japan for a year or so before it was released here, this is it's first release and they'll have to work out some kinks in it.
See THAT'S a bit of information I haven't heard before. This already makes the game sound MUCH more promising. Proper testing and a year of real play is something that a lot more games could use before release.
Oh yeah, it's been out in japan for a loooong while. Square thoroughly tests everything <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
smokes, it could be Nike Online, I wouldn't care. A name is a name and while I liked spirits within I hated the actual gameplay in most FFs; I just watched other people deal with the tedious 'game' part while I enjoyed the cool stories and characters ^~ Oh, and what's the difference between a chocobo and a horse in a game? ...the 3D model and sound files! =P
As for the lack of annoying people that's because it's only available in japan and in test form at the moment; from more experience than I ever cared to have I can easy tell you the annoying people come when it gets publically released in the US and europe who don't have a whole society based so heavily on respect and politeness they don't even have actual swear words used for directly insulting and have to be taught the concept from scratch <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Creep was pretty much on the mark and the worst part is, chatty, cheery, fiery personalities tend to attract the depressives and ADD people like a giant magnet... lucky me ^^; We also attract free, unasked for twinking. I like presents, I like them good <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Geminosity+Oct 16 2003, 07:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Geminosity @ Oct 16 2003, 07:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> smokes, it could be Nike Online, I wouldn't care. A name is a name and while I liked spirits within I hated the actual gameplay in most FFs; I just watched other people deal with the tedious 'game' part while I enjoyed the cool stories and characters ^~ Oh, and what's the difference between a chocobo and a horse in a game? ...the 3D model and sound files! =P
As for the lack of annoying people that's because it's only available in japan and in test form at the moment; from more experience than I ever cared to have I can easy tell you the annoying people come when it gets publically released in the US and europe who don't have a whole society based so heavily on respect and politeness they don't even have actual swear words used for directly insulting and have to be taught the concept from scratch <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Creep was pretty much on the mark and the worst part is, chatty, cheery, fiery personalities tend to attract the depressives and ADD people like a giant magnet... lucky me ^^; We also attract free, unasked for twinking. I like presents, I like them good <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I hate my life, can we be friends?
Bottom line is they should change the game's name, its no longer an FF game, its an MMORPG for gods sake, if they would have started calling it something else after part 7 things would have been much better and I might have respect for them still, they are just horing the fanbase for money, pure and simply exploitation of name recognition.
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<!--QuoteBegin--Geminosity+Oct 16 2003, 05:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Geminosity @ Oct 16 2003, 05:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Oh, and what's the difference between a chocobo and a horse in a game? ...the 3D model and sound files! =P <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> *Falls* _~_ ()
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->As for the lack of annoying people that's because it's only available in japan and in test form at the moment<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
the 3d Model, the stigmata attached to it and the coolness factor. I wanna be a Dragon Knight on a Chocobo.
dr. D, if you ever read EGM or PlayOnline they decided that with the end of FFX, they were no longer gonna make it single-player only. People had been asking for multiplayer and so people got it.
and don't base your assumptions that FFVII and beyond sucked as that of the majority of the population. In Japan, I think Square games get sold out continually. They don't design the games with an American market in mind, they just be kind enough to bring them over here because we constantly seem to devour the games.
yup... tester... That means a large enough demographic of people hasn't been unleashed on it yet from outside japan to reach critical jerk mass <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> I'm sure there's probably a formula for it, but check Ragnarok Online, Neocron or just about any MMORPG's history to see the wonders of maths, social mass and physics in action =D
Japan + Testers from outside Japan = safe levels. Outside of Japan public = CRITICAL IDIOCY MELTDOWN!!! ~concussion wave of cheating, annoyance and exploitation wipes out everything in a 50 server radius~
Yeah, but that's with America-based companies watching the servers. In the Japanese company run servers, cheaters will get an IT ninja in the household to take care of them.
<!--QuoteBegin--lolfighter+Oct 16 2003, 07:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Oct 16 2003, 07:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Never underestimate our western society's skillz at being total jerks eh? Me? I like Russia. C'mere CWAG, I wanna give you a borscht-hug!
So what you're saying is that you think the game will be fine, but we westerners will spoil it? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Er... yea.. but how many gamers does russia have? Like uhh... two? Theres not much room for script kiddy h4x0rz there.
Eastern society isn't exactly perfect and stuff... don't get me wrong but in just about every MMO game I've ever played you'll find the Asians tend to be nicer to you and more organized/friendly as a whole unless they've met one too many of our western jerk counterparts =3 I know it's a generalisation and I hate making them but it's entirely based off what's happened in my experience -.-
There's lots of nice westerners too and it's fun to play along anyone nice but for some reason, the minute you wander from the asian servers or a game stops being closed beta the flood of grief comes, sticking it's probing tentacles around and mutating the game into some giant social pussball with only scattered parts still recognisable as the original nice community you'd really want from a multiplayer game =P I like people and I'll always give them a chance but MMORPGs seem to attract the worst kinds of behaviour once they start becoming even remotely popular and I'm damned if I know why lol
I'm not really as bleak and bothered as I sound about it because I know how to deal with jerks online but it still urks me that so many people seem to get pleasure in ruining other people's enjoyment =/
Eastern society has its problems too... Yeah, we're not that bad after all I think... But maybe we suck at MMORPGs. Hey, the Koreans kick bottom all over Starcraft, don't they? Maybe westerners are the fraggers, and easterners are the looters?
Last time I heard, they were mixing the Japanese and English servers and providing a translation program for communication, so you should be able to get some good games.
Well, This game isn't full of bugs like you think. Square-Enix has had plenty of time to fix these problems, seeing as the japanese version has been out for like 4 months. And I can see how it was worth the waith becuase the US versions will have the expansion with purchase free of charge, While on the other hand in Japan you have to pay like an extra 40 dollars.
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*slaps creep* I mean like a REAL mmorpg. Leveling! Characters! Fun! Non-Clickfest even! FREE!!!! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Not that exciting once the novelties wear off but I'll probably still give it a go if there's a free trial, if not it already sounds like the 8 or more MMORPGs I've tried over the years that started off feeling cool until the shiny outer surface wore away revealing the tired, giant-calculator treadmill nature underneath all of them =P <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't worry, it's Final Fantasy! <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> It sounds like the same old thing, but it's got such a nice touch to it that you probably won't notice. If you do, it'll still be fun. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
To the general Joe, they're levelling treadmills.
And there's this lot to deal with:
- the cheaters, hackers and dupers who have all the unique/rare/set/pink items you can dream of and probably haven't even heard of. In fact, some of them probably aren't even available in game or ever have been. The infamous - "the game crashed when I did *this* - and wow! look what I found in my backpack!". Yeah, riiight. Pull the other one, it's got bells on.
- the depressives who just want someone to pour their problems to. They just hang around the outskirts in the meeting areas.
- the ADDs who jump around the meeting areas screaming 'Look at me! Look at me! I want attention NOW'.
- the lazy. They want help, money, directions, lends of your big weapons, help killing things, websites, cheats etc...
- the inpenatrable cliques.
- the gargantuan squabbles over mob killing rights. Designers think the best way to limit the number of decent items in game is to give them to unique mobs who's destiny is to spawn once a month and be instantly slaughtered by half the player base on the server. What follows is a gargantuan squabble over looting rights. Then there's the gargantuan squabble over who nicked the loot while everyone was squabbling over who's loot it is.
- the twinkers who exploit the gap between cheating and the rules. They never actually use 3rd party tools to cheat, but they assume that if you can do it in-game - it's legal. This is where most of the duping occurs.
- the beta testers who dominate the game because they've got a massive head start in game knowledge.
- the ebayers who think it really is a way to make a living by spending 2 days waiting for unique mobs to spawn, or slaughtering 100,000s of mobs just to get that rare drop.
- the cheaters who actually *do* make a living by selling fairy dust and fool's gold.
- the con artists who prey on the ill-informed.
- the old hands who have playing so long they probably wrote the damn thing. They have 100s items that were discontinued years ago. They have the most powerful characters so PK'ing them is impossible no matter how much time you spend in game.
- Finally, the designers who think that 'balance' means 'nerf'. Periodically, they prevent strong items from dropping in game giving advantage to the older player base under the illusion that its rewarding the committed players. They will only ban the cheaters under real life threats of harm to them and their families. Their communication with the player base is one or two posts a week in the game forums on trivial matters.
MMORPGs are released 1 year before they should be so they're full of bugs and the servers are woefully inadequate. The server logging is non-existent. Most of the cheating occurs in the first 6 months by which time the economy is ruined and the lords and ladies have already moved in, settled down and are already ordering the less fortunate around. There is no reimbursement policy. Additional content is the odd extra mob once-in-a-while (presumably most of the programming effort is spect plugging the holes in the core design). New items are so weak its like comparing a drinking straw to a lump hammer in terms of skull-bashing effectiveness.
Anyone guess which MMORPG I played ?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->the gargantuan squabbles over mob killing rights. Designers think the best way to limit the number of decent items in game is to give them to unique mobs who's destiny is to spawn once a month and be instantly slaughtered by half the player base on the server. What follows is a gargantuan squabble over looting rights. Then there's the gargantuan squabble over who nicked the loot while everyone was squabbling over who's loot it is.
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Yeah... I'd prolly be the guy snatching all the loot.
And let's not forget Mob Trains!
Example in FF7
You could beat the game 100 times faster than you could beat any of the "Weapons". You needed to get majorly strong to take the "Weapons" on!
Example in FF8
MAGIC!!!! You know how long it takes to get some of the higher level spells.
You could spend an hour just getting 100 of the lower level spells... GRRRR.
Example in FF9
Again, you need to level up soooo much!!!
(said note: FF9 had my favorite characters, I liked "Zidane" even more than "Cloud" <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->)
Example in FF10
CHOCOBO GAME!!!!!!!!!
WORST 5 DAYS OF MY LIFE!
I get a time of 0:0:0, but you need a time of less than 0:0:0. I have never wanted to die so bad! <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
(side note: Best FF game to date, but FFx:2 is going to bomb!)
Excuse me? FFXI may end up being really good. It may even be worth a monthly fee in excess of ten dollars. It mightn't. The one thing I KNOW about it is that it comes with a p2p-fee. I'll discuss that, with or without your permission.
Then there is the speculation. Consider this: Many MMORPGs have launched in a buggy, incomplete state. Many of them were (like the one Creep mentioned) released far too early. Many of them are broken in balance and/or economy. All of the major ones have an additional "keep paying us after you buy the game"-tag. Nowadays, expecting upcoming MMORPGs to go down the same path can hardly be considered prejudice anymore.
Standard practice in courtrooms is "Innocent until proven guilty", but for MMORPGs, I can no longer apply this policy. SWG was supposed to be the saviour of the afflicted, both Star Wars- and MMORPG-enthusiasts alike. The game launched in a flurry of bugs, the much-sought-after force powers are not even on the horizon yet (later expansion pack perhaps?), several classes are imbalanced, quests still seem pointless. At least the houses no longer disappear. A MMORPG can no longer say "I'm gonna be great!", because so much indicates otherwise. It's a MMORPG? Then chances are it's gonna suck.
What does this boil down to? Chances are FFXI will suck. There's no denying it, only hoping otherwise. Guilty until proven innocent. We'll see what happens upon launch. I for one am anxiously awaiting the reviews. I'd love a FF MMORPG, but only if it were something very much different from the MMORPGs I've seen so far. Square is not infallible, they've proven that <span style='font-size:7pt;line-height:100%'>(*cough*SpiritsWithin*cough*)</span>. I've seen the graphics of FFXI, and they're great, but great graphics a great game do not make. THAT is the end of my story. And I'll tell that story <i>with</i> or <i>without</i> your permission. Last time I checked, I didn't need it.
Example in FF7
You could beat the game 100 times faster than you could beat any of the "Weapons". You needed to get majorly strong to take the "Weapons" on!
Example in FF8
MAGIC!!!! You know how long it takes to get some of the higher level spells.
You could spend an hour just getting 100 of the lower level spells... GRRRR.
Example in FF9
Again, you need to level up soooo much!!!
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Example in FF10
CHOCOBO GAME!!!!!!!!!
WORST 5 DAYS OF MY LIFE!
I get a time of 0:0:0, but you need a time of less than 0:0:0. I have never wanted to die so bad! <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
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In FF7 it took me 20 minutes to defeat emerald WEAPON.... Demi-Mine-Rinse-repeat- Knights of The Round and level 4 limit breaks= pwnt
In FF8, visit hell island...fight a couple Marlboros... draw magic from them. Theres even draw points on the world make for spells like Apocolypse and Ultima.
Geminosity, it's Final Fantasy. Instead of portals and standard magic runes and horses and stuff...expect Airships, chocobo's and moogles!
Sephy was a cake walk compared to Emerald, then you had ruby... shudder!
I believe that's Emerald.
1 minute. Anyone care to guess how?
Excuse me? FFXI may end up being really good. It may even be worth a monthly fee in excess of ten dollars. It mightn't. The one thing I KNOW about it is that it comes with a p2p-fee. I'll discuss that, with or without your permission.
Then there is the speculation. Consider this: Many MMORPGs have launched in a buggy, incomplete state. Many of them were (like the one Creep mentioned) released far too early. Many of them are broken in balance and/or economy. All of the major ones have an additional "keep paying us after you buy the game"-tag. Nowadays, expecting upcoming MMORPGs to go down the same path can hardly be considered prejudice anymore.
Standard practice in courtrooms is "Innocent until proven guilty", but for MMORPGs, I can no longer apply this policy. SWG was supposed to be the saviour of the afflicted, both Star Wars- and MMORPG-enthusiasts alike. The game launched in a flurry of bugs, the much-sought-after force powers are not even on the horizon yet (later expansion pack perhaps?), several classes are imbalanced, quests still seem pointless. At least the houses no longer disappear. A MMORPG can no longer say "I'm gonna be great!", because so much indicates otherwise. It's a MMORPG? Then chances are it's gonna suck.
What does this boil down to? Chances are FFXI will suck. There's no denying it, only hoping otherwise. Guilty until proven innocent. We'll see what happens upon launch. I for one am anxiously awaiting the reviews. I'd love a FF MMORPG, but only if it were something very much different from the MMORPGs I've seen so far. Square is not infallible, they've proven that <span style='font-size:7pt;line-height:100%'>(*cough*SpiritsWithin*cough*)</span>. I've seen the graphics of FFXI, and they're great, but great graphics a great game do not make. THAT is the end of my story. And I'll tell that story <i>with</i> or <i>without</i> your permission. Last time I checked, I didn't need it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I was talking about the people who say FFXI itself is going to suck, not about the people talking about pay-to-play.
Also, keep in mind that FFXI has had over a year in Japan to shape up, so the North American release should be a good one. From what I've heard from people in Japan, SquareEnix has been supporting FFXI really well. The beta just ended 2 days ago and it was great. Star Wars Galaxies hasn't been released in Japan for a year or so before it was released here, this is it's first release and they'll have to work out some kinks in it.
Oh, and what's the difference between a chocobo and a horse in a game? ...the 3D model and sound files! =P
As for the lack of annoying people that's because it's only available in japan and in test form at the moment; from more experience than I ever cared to have I can easy tell you the annoying people come when it gets publically released in the US and europe who don't have a whole society based so heavily on respect and politeness they don't even have actual swear words used for directly insulting and have to be taught the concept from scratch <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Creep was pretty much on the mark and the worst part is, chatty, cheery, fiery personalities tend to attract the depressives and ADD people like a giant magnet... lucky me ^^;
We also attract free, unasked for twinking.
I like presents, I like them good <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Oh, and what's the difference between a chocobo and a horse in a game? ...the 3D model and sound files! =P
As for the lack of annoying people that's because it's only available in japan and in test form at the moment; from more experience than I ever cared to have I can easy tell you the annoying people come when it gets publically released in the US and europe who don't have a whole society based so heavily on respect and politeness they don't even have actual swear words used for directly insulting and have to be taught the concept from scratch <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Creep was pretty much on the mark and the worst part is, chatty, cheery, fiery personalities tend to attract the depressives and ADD people like a giant magnet... lucky me ^^;
We also attract free, unasked for twinking.
I like presents, I like them good <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I hate my life, can we be friends?
Bottom line is they should change the game's name, its no longer an FF game, its an MMORPG for gods sake, if they would have started calling it something else after part 7 things would have been much better and I might have respect for them still, they are just horing the fanbase for money, pure and simply exploitation of name recognition.
how about "Final Fantasy: More Money Online Rip of Previous Games' =D
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CForrester's a tester... and he's in Canada.
dr. D, if you ever read EGM or PlayOnline they decided that with the end of FFX, they were no longer gonna make it single-player only. People had been asking for multiplayer and so people got it.
and don't base your assumptions that FFVII and beyond sucked as that of the majority of the population. In Japan, I think Square games get sold out continually. They don't design the games with an American market in mind, they just be kind enough to bring them over here because we constantly seem to devour the games.
I'm sure there's probably a formula for it, but check Ragnarok Online, Neocron or just about any MMORPG's history to see the wonders of maths, social mass and physics in action =D
Japan + Testers from outside Japan = safe levels.
Outside of Japan public = CRITICAL IDIOCY MELTDOWN!!! ~concussion wave of cheating, annoyance and exploitation wipes out everything in a 50 server radius~
So what you're saying is that you think the game will be fine, but we westerners will spoil it?
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Er... yea.. but how many gamers does russia have? Like uhh... two? Theres not much room for script kiddy h4x0rz there.
I know it's a generalisation and I hate making them but it's entirely based off what's happened in my experience -.-
There's lots of nice westerners too and it's fun to play along anyone nice but for some reason, the minute you wander from the asian servers or a game stops being closed beta the flood of grief comes, sticking it's probing tentacles around and mutating the game into some giant social pussball with only scattered parts still recognisable as the original nice community you'd really want from a multiplayer game =P
I like people and I'll always give them a chance but MMORPGs seem to attract the worst kinds of behaviour once they start becoming even remotely popular and I'm damned if I know why lol
I'm not really as bleak and bothered as I sound about it because I know how to deal with jerks online but it still urks me that so many people seem to get pleasure in ruining other people's enjoyment =/