<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->For YOU, not for an average consumer. And yes, VCR's and toasters and such have become simpler, and yet more powerful. You are just too young to have used them in the 70's and early 80's and seen what a chore it was.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lol, yep I am too young. Haven't even hit those twenties yet.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Trust me, the success of the Windows OS is due to market-driven forces, not the Gatesian Empire - the market wants simpler to use, at an expense of features and customization. A toaster that allowed you to specify heating to a thousandth of a degree, plus set config data for optimal toast density, average air pocket volume, staleness factors, and parameters of darkness of the buttered side would fail - a tiny percentage of toast-freaks would love it, and the majority of people that just want some warm bread would go buy the simpler model. There is no conspiracy, this is market-driven economics.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hehehe good point, I find the toast from my toaster tastes great, yet it is soooo simple. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Interesting thing is, computers have been getting simpler. First there was DOS, then Windows 3.1, 95, 98, ME, and now we are at XP. IMO DOS was very simple, it is just a little more rocky to start out on.
Economics is important, and ease of use is alright. I just wonder why the mass market has f**ked with movies, TV and computer games. There is no such thing as ease of use with intellectual content(there is, but it's not quite the same). Ok the only "ease of use" I can think of refers to making stuff cliched, predictable, simpler, obvious. A desire for easy interfaces is fair, but making your knowledge base "easy to use" is mental suicide. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Then why aren't the Macs winning? I think the simple answer is that they would be, were it not for Apple's fuckups with pricing (Gasse didn't think market share was important) and some other huge mistakes. Personally I don't think Windows is "easier to use" then any given OS, people just get that idea because Windows is EVERYWHERE (partially due to MS buisness practices). If it were really "easier to use" there wouldn't be much of a need for the helpdesk.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is a point I've heard, that Windows is only so easy to use because it's what we've been brought up on. Totally agree with everything else, although I've had very little experience using a Mac, all I know is that Windows ain't no masterpiece, and the people who bash macs probably think of Windows as a masterpiece. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
people use windows "because its there", they use microsoft office, because they push it upon users (althogh there are packages with more or equiverlent functionality and at a better price, althogh if it wasnt for compertition from microsoft, i doubt they would be SO affordable).
althogh, the world is slowly shifting, linux has roughly 2 years to become a viable home OS, or anouther operating system could emerge for x86 that can blow both linux and windows away for funtionality and ease of use but thats highly unlikley. Apple can maybe even find a way to make their computers much more avaliable for the "average" user to afford and launch an more aggresive "switch" campaign, strike deals with major computer game companys to provide software for their platform, include a WINE style windows emulation layer into their next OS update, to increase thier market share, but thats even less likely than an entirely new OS blowing away any others.
i think i'm being all randomly ranty... heh, damn headaches
Rumors tell us of a secret underground project somewhere in the depths of an Apple computer research lab where they keep the experimental x86 version of OSX. Chances are that apple will never release it, wich is a shame in some ways, but good in others (IMO the PPC is a superior processor architecture). Unfortunatly a WINE-like compatability layer couldn't happen on a non-x86 system, not without emulating the x86. And if your alread going the emulation route, why not just use plex86 or something?
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Lol, yep I am too young. Haven't even hit those twenties yet.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Trust me, the success of the Windows OS is due to market-driven forces, not the Gatesian Empire - the market wants simpler to use, at an expense of features and customization. A toaster that allowed you to specify heating to a thousandth of a degree, plus set config data for optimal toast density, average air pocket volume, staleness factors, and parameters of darkness of the buttered side would fail - a tiny percentage of toast-freaks would love it, and the majority of people that just want some warm bread would go buy the simpler model. There is no conspiracy, this is market-driven economics.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hehehe good point, I find the toast from my toaster tastes great, yet it is soooo simple. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Interesting thing is, computers have been getting simpler. First there was DOS, then Windows 3.1, 95, 98, ME, and now we are at XP. IMO DOS was very simple, it is just a little more rocky to start out on.
Economics is important, and ease of use is alright. I just wonder why the mass market has f**ked with movies, TV and computer games. There is no such thing as ease of use with intellectual content(there is, but it's not quite the same). Ok the only "ease of use" I can think of refers to making stuff cliched, predictable, simpler, obvious. A desire for easy interfaces is fair, but making your knowledge base "easy to use" is mental suicide. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Then why aren't the Macs winning? I think the simple answer is that they would be, were it not for Apple's fuckups with pricing (Gasse didn't think market share was important) and some other huge mistakes. Personally I don't think Windows is "easier to use" then any given OS, people just get that idea because Windows is EVERYWHERE (partially due to MS buisness practices). If it were really "easier to use" there wouldn't be much of a need for the helpdesk.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is a point I've heard, that Windows is only so easy to use because it's what we've been brought up on. Totally agree with everything else, although I've had very little experience using a Mac, all I know is that Windows ain't no masterpiece, and the people who bash macs probably think of Windows as a masterpiece. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
althogh, the world is slowly shifting, linux has roughly 2 years to become a viable home OS, or anouther operating system could emerge for x86 that can blow both linux and windows away for funtionality and ease of use but thats highly unlikley.
Apple can maybe even find a way to make their computers much more avaliable for the "average" user to afford and launch an more aggresive "switch" campaign, strike deals with major computer game companys to provide software for their platform, include a WINE style windows emulation layer into their next OS update, to increase thier market share, but thats even less likely than an entirely new OS blowing away any others.
i think i'm being all randomly ranty... heh, damn headaches