Pub Play At All Time Low
Nether
Join Date: 2003-01-21 Member: 12530Members
Join Date: 2003-01-21 Member: 12530Members
What is the point of playing public games anymore?.
There is no middle ground. You either spend the entire game as a 50 armor lvl 0 weapon marine against fades and onos which is most common or as vanilla skulk against lvl 3 tech HAs. Whoever gets the upper hand in the first 3 minutes wins.... but the game doesnt end for another 20+ minutes while the losers lemming themselves over and over against superior opponents.
One half of the players are always having a crap game, getting totally owned over and over game after game after game. If your unlucky enough to pick the losing side multiple times you quit after an hour feeling totally dejected.
I really think the pub scene is diminishing becuase of problems like this, becuase its putting me off thats for sure.
There is no middle ground. You either spend the entire game as a 50 armor lvl 0 weapon marine against fades and onos which is most common or as vanilla skulk against lvl 3 tech HAs. Whoever gets the upper hand in the first 3 minutes wins.... but the game doesnt end for another 20+ minutes while the losers lemming themselves over and over against superior opponents.
One half of the players are always having a crap game, getting totally owned over and over game after game after game. If your unlucky enough to pick the losing side multiple times you quit after an hour feeling totally dejected.
I really think the pub scene is diminishing becuase of problems like this, becuase its putting me off thats for sure.
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There is really no solutions to this, skill level is hard to calculate to try to autobalance. The only way to prevent this from happening is either play somewhere where the skill levels are pretty even out, or there has to be a revolution of values in gaming where it shouldn't be all about winning.
The solution to not hating pub play: don't play organized matches.
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Crap, wrong area.
The solution to not hating pub play: don't play organized matches.
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What about those of us who don't play organized games, but still find ourselves with a growing dislike to the pub scene?
I, myself have found that lately I just can't stand the state pubs are in. Especially concerning the gorge. Now that the gorge isn't getting an extra cut of res, or at least a cut above the others, it gets forgotten. In pub play people will always be requesting gorge support but little do they do something of it. Thus, certain people will be stuck with the amphiumas 1.04 role of permagorge. But, since they get no extra res, they are stuck with something that is less than fun. Now, of course people will say "If you dislike gorge so much, just go a fighter class" Yeah, and lose. If no one else will, that is when people get stuck permagorge. What is worse is people won't even help you. You can put up a hive and soon have a squad of marines in there. Does the rest of the team care? No, they are picking off the marines left at MS for easy res. So now you have wasted 50 res and for what? So your teammates could get an easy 3-9 res? Add to that the fact that even after that they will still demand someone puts up a hive. Not wanting to take away from their own onos fund, they are forced to wait for the permagorge to rebuild his res supply.
I found people just seemed to care more about their team back in 1.04. I mean, 2.0x is aimed towards one kind of teamwork.. but at the cost of another type of teamwork. Yeah 2.0x aliens need help of others if they are making a full on offensive, but they don't for the most part. Add to that the fact that life forms are no longer hive dependant. So now we have aliens less likely to even respond to their own teams calls for help. Hives are helpful, but that silly gorge really has to be quiet. He is breaking your concentration. He should know you are trying to save for onos!
Oh.. yeah.. and w00t w00t. 400 posteh for meh. Fear and respect my complete lack of authority and power that is earned from those 400 items of spam.
And you think the 'goodplayers' will appreciate being lopped in with the cheats?
step two: slowly increase necessary teamwork lvl to play on server banning all who dont.
step three: most boring server in the world but fun for you.
L O L O L O L O L O L
My point exactally.
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"Don't like it? Don't play it"
Are certainly the two that spring to my mind. I don't honestly mind playing with new people, because I like to think I know what I'm doing and thus give a good impression of what THEY should be doing. If I could not accept new players, I'd be on a idifferent server with different rules.
Second, new players need some sort of average or experienced hands to keep them afloat. New comms in particular really rely on experienced players. People need to learn to mix and appreciate the game.
So what if I'm on a team of smacktards? I can hoard for my alien evolution, or I can drop all my weapons and challenge the next fade to a knife fight. There's many ways of keeping the game fun.
Oh, 1,500 peak. Seems about right.
*ARROWED*
The sad thing is it's not just newbies that ruin the game. . . newbies will listen when you say, come on guys 10 minutes into the game, we need a second hive "Muffin go put it up," and if muffin is new, he probably will. The sad thing is a lot of good players think they are above gorging, and that's why they all save to go onos, or fade. It's rather pathetic if you ask me. All I'm saying is that if you think that pub play is getting worse don't just blame the new players. . . for the most part they aren't the problem.
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You're right of course, about it not just being new players, but I was trying to address those who would blame the new players, when quite honestly there are people from a few months back who still haven't figured out basic alien teamwork.
While a gorge can be easier to play, it is also extreamlly (and I mean ++ when I say this) difficult to master. You know the saying, easy to learn, impossible to master.
Aye, I used to play on Redphive #2 as well, but it's been desolate for the longest time now, hence I haven't been playing NS. Redphive always felt the most balanced and the server with the most fun people to play with...but where did they all go?
-No one wants to permagorge anymore, because without the res advantage it isn't fun(for most people). It's just MUCH slower and less interesting than it ever was in 1.04.
-Most people don't want to temp-gorge because it drains money from their Fade/Onos pool.
-The ability to go straight to Fade/Onos from the beginning of the game promotes res greed, whereas in 1.04 skulks were capped at 33 until midgame and could kill things without hurting the team.
The generous few who are willing to sacrifice any possibility for evolution by gorging and carrying the team are rewarded with nothing but unrealistic demands. In 1.04 gorging was fun because you could actively build things, as opposed to sitting around waiting for res all the time like in 2.0.
Don't get me wrong. With a skilled and mature playerbase, I think 2.0 is great fun. Therein lies the problem, though; 2.0 shifts responsibility onto everyone on the alien team, and it just does not usually happen that a whole team of pubbers is up to that. Not only has the gorge's task become boring, but there is an actual disincentive to doing it and yet most of the team has to put up with it to be successful.
I also love dropping sensory and laughing myself silly as the onos asks me what it's meant to do with sensory, and I ask it what I'm meant to do on 2 rts.
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*sigh*
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