<!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+Oct 20 2003, 06:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Oct 20 2003, 06:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I find the above hard to believe : P <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Mercior you cant start polls, I just tried then and it wouldnt let me.
Dr D - seriously I'm not. I wont be a hypocrite by claiming I am, there are too many things that I like doing that my religion says is wrong, so I refuse to claim to be a Christian. Add to that the fact that I cant STAND hypocrites, and you can imagine my predicament. Being a seriously believer in Christianity and hating hypocrites is like being a fish that hates water.
<!--QuoteBegin--Marine01+Oct 21 2003, 03:18 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marine01 @ Oct 21 2003, 03:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+Oct 20 2003, 06:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Oct 20 2003, 06:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I find the above hard to believe : P <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Mercior you cant start polls, I just tried then and it wouldnt let me.
Dr D - seriously I'm not. I wont be a hypocrite by claiming I am, there are too many things that I like doing that my religion says is wrong, so I refuse to claim to be a Christian. Add to that the fact that I cant STAND hypocrites, and you can imagine my predicament. Being a seriously believer in Christianity and hating hypocrites is like being a fish that hates water.
I just cant stand most fellow churchgoers. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well you believe in christianity, in a way that makes you christian. You not enjoying some things your religion says are wrong just makes you a bad christian. But I can see how your definition works too.
<!--QuoteBegin--SkulkBait+Oct 21 2003, 03:37 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Oct 21 2003, 03:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I just cant stand most fellow churchgoers. [/QUOTE] Well you believe in christianity, in a way that makes you christian. You not enjoying some things your religion says are wrong just makes you a bad christian. But I can see how your definition works too. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Christianity at its fundamental is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ - I have almost everything but, so I'm not just a bad Christian, I'm no Christian at all.
<!--QuoteBegin--Marine01+Oct 21 2003, 12:45 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marine01 @ Oct 21 2003, 12:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> [QUOTE=SkulkBait,Oct 21 2003, 03:37 AM] I just cant stand most fellow churchgoers. [/QUOTE] Well you believe in christianity, in a way that makes you christian. You not enjoying some things your religion says are wrong just makes you a bad christian. But I can see how your definition works too. [/QUOTE] Christianity at its fundamental is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ - I have almost everything but, so I'm not just a bad Christian, I'm no Christian at all. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Heh, you're JUST like me, especially a few months ago. I believed, and still believe that there is a higher power, but I don't feel I've EVER had a relationship with God. Catechism classes mentioned that believing in God isn't just acknowledging his existence, rather that you have a deep, personal relationship with Him.
I still don't have this, and in retrospect, I think my confirmation was rushed. But I'm gaining a sense of peace with God now more than ever. Still short on love though...
Still though, I think both you and I, when inquired about whether we were Christian in the face of danger, (i.e., guy pointing a gun at you asking you "Are you a Christian?"), I don't think we'd just reply with a blank "no". I'd damn well make sure let him know that I'm trying to be a Christian.
That's why I had that old quote before. <i>A child of God? Nay, I am still a fetus</i>
<!--QuoteBegin--Confuzor+Oct 21 2003, 04:04 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Confuzor @ Oct 21 2003, 04:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> [QUOTE=Marine01,Oct 21 2003, 12:45 AM] [QUOTE=SkulkBait,Oct 21 2003, 03:37 AM] I just cant stand most fellow churchgoers. [/QUOTE] Well you believe in christianity, in a way that makes you christian. You not enjoying some things your religion says are wrong just makes you a bad christian. But I can see how your definition works too. [/QUOTE] Christianity at its fundamental is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ - I have almost everything but, so I'm not just a bad Christian, I'm no Christian at all. [/QUOTE] Heh, you're JUST like me, especially a few months ago. I believed, and still believe that there is a higher power, but I don't feel I've EVER had a relationship with God. Catechism classes mentioned that believing in God isn't just acknowledging his existence, rather that you have a deep, personal relationship with Him.
I still don't have this, and in retrospect, I think my confirmation was rushed. But I'm gaining a sense of peace with God now more than ever. Still short on love though...
Still though, I think both you and I, when inquired about whether we were Christian in the face of danger, (i.e., guy pointing a gun at you asking you "Are you a Christian?"), I don't think we'd just reply with a blank "no". I'd damn well make sure let him know that I'm trying to be a Christian.
That's why I had that old quote before. <i>A child of God? Nay, I am still a fetus</i> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Confuzor EXACTLY! I have thought the exact same thing - the gun in the face scenario. If it ever came down to that, I like to think that I would have the guts to say "No, I'm not a Christian, but I am trying my hardest". I even sometimes wonder that, if that situation ever played out, that that will actually be the moment I do become a Christian, the moment my belief in Jesus becomes more important to me then my face and keeping it intact.
Something else that gave me a bit to think about - a story about an underground church in China. The Communists busted in, and said, anyone who is a Christian, go over there and we will execute you. Anyone who wishes to renouce their faith, go to that corner and you will be spared. So they lined up in their respective corners, and the renouncers got to watch the faithful get shot.
The communists then turned, and ordered the execution of the renoucers, and they realised that they had just renounced their faith right before they died.
I have played that scenario out thousands of times in my mind - and I dont ever want to be in the position of those renouncers.
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Are we defining "Christian" as "a follower of a Christian church" or as "a follower of Christ?" I'd rather be the latter (last) than the former (first).
The whole christian religion is pointless. JESUS DID NOT COME TO START A NEW RELIGION. If you belive in Jesus, then know that. He was jew, a practiceing jew at that. But the jews deny that he was the son of god, so there lies the problem, be it a stupid one. Was there a man named Jesus? Yes. Was he the son of god? No. Hope that takes care of this whole "Christian" thing for you Tool.
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In any case Not Christian.
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Mercior you cant start polls, I just tried then and it wouldnt let me.
Dr D - seriously I'm not. I wont be a hypocrite by claiming I am, there are too many things that I like doing that my religion says is wrong, so I refuse to claim to be a Christian. Add to that the fact that I cant STAND hypocrites, and you can imagine my predicament. Being a seriously believer in Christianity and hating hypocrites is like being a fish that hates water.
I just cant stand most fellow churchgoers.
Mercior you cant start polls, I just tried then and it wouldnt let me.
Dr D - seriously I'm not. I wont be a hypocrite by claiming I am, there are too many things that I like doing that my religion says is wrong, so I refuse to claim to be a Christian. Add to that the fact that I cant STAND hypocrites, and you can imagine my predicament. Being a seriously believer in Christianity and hating hypocrites is like being a fish that hates water.
I just cant stand most fellow churchgoers. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well you believe in christianity, in a way that makes you christian. You not enjoying some things your religion says are wrong just makes you a bad christian. But I can see how your definition works too.
Well you believe in christianity, in a way that makes you christian. You not enjoying some things your religion says are wrong just makes you a bad christian. But I can see how your definition works too. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Christianity at its fundamental is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ - I have almost everything but, so I'm not just a bad Christian, I'm no Christian at all.
Well you believe in christianity, in a way that makes you christian. You not enjoying some things your religion says are wrong just makes you a bad christian. But I can see how your definition works too. [/QUOTE]
Christianity at its fundamental is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ - I have almost everything but, so I'm not just a bad Christian, I'm no Christian at all. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Heh, you're JUST like me, especially a few months ago. I believed, and still believe that there is a higher power, but I don't feel I've EVER had a relationship with God. Catechism classes mentioned that believing in God isn't just acknowledging his existence, rather that you have a deep, personal relationship with Him.
I still don't have this, and in retrospect, I think my confirmation was rushed. But I'm gaining a sense of peace with God now more than ever. Still short on love though...
Still though, I think both you and I, when inquired about whether we were Christian in the face of danger, (i.e., guy pointing a gun at you asking you "Are you a Christian?"), I don't think we'd just reply with a blank "no". I'd damn well make sure let him know that I'm trying to be a Christian.
That's why I had that old quote before. <i>A child of God? Nay, I am still a fetus</i>
Well you believe in christianity, in a way that makes you christian. You not enjoying some things your religion says are wrong just makes you a bad christian. But I can see how your definition works too. [/QUOTE]
Christianity at its fundamental is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ - I have almost everything but, so I'm not just a bad Christian, I'm no Christian at all. [/QUOTE]
Heh, you're JUST like me, especially a few months ago. I believed, and still believe that there is a higher power, but I don't feel I've EVER had a relationship with God. Catechism classes mentioned that believing in God isn't just acknowledging his existence, rather that you have a deep, personal relationship with Him.
I still don't have this, and in retrospect, I think my confirmation was rushed. But I'm gaining a sense of peace with God now more than ever. Still short on love though...
Still though, I think both you and I, when inquired about whether we were Christian in the face of danger, (i.e., guy pointing a gun at you asking you "Are you a Christian?"), I don't think we'd just reply with a blank "no". I'd damn well make sure let him know that I'm trying to be a Christian.
That's why I had that old quote before. <i>A child of God? Nay, I am still a fetus</i> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Confuzor EXACTLY! I have thought the exact same thing - the gun in the face scenario. If it ever came down to that, I like to think that I would have the guts to say "No, I'm not a Christian, but I am trying my hardest". I even sometimes wonder that, if that situation ever played out, that that will actually be the moment I do become a Christian, the moment my belief in Jesus becomes more important to me then my face and keeping it intact.
Something else that gave me a bit to think about - a story about an underground church in China. The Communists busted in, and said, anyone who is a Christian, go over there and we will execute you. Anyone who wishes to renouce their faith, go to that corner and you will be spared. So they lined up in their respective corners, and the renouncers got to watch the faithful get shot.
The communists then turned, and ordered the execution of the renoucers, and they realised that they had just renounced their faith right before they died.
I have played that scenario out thousands of times in my mind - and I dont ever want to be in the position of those renouncers.
However, I am neither.
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