Aliens Style Seige?

AbsolutSwedeAbsolutSwede Join Date: 2003-10-14 Member: 21693Members
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<div class="IPBDescription">NE ideas?</div> As i am working with the Aliens/AvP theme 2 NS n made a TF and a Sentry gun i might as well make a seige... so what would b a real good Aliens/AvP style seige turret?? <!--emo&::siege::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/siege.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='siege.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • Owen1Owen1 Join Date: 2003-04-13 Member: 15457Members
    well... u could look on the al|ens dropship for ideas
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  • AbsolutSwedeAbsolutSwede Join Date: 2003-10-14 Member: 21693Members
    Yeah done that. The dropp ship has more missles. The APC does have a cannon on it but as i remember right that 1 has already been made, only hard 2 find and d/l these days. If some 1 found that 1 i could do some reskinning and some changes to the leggs etc.
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  • Owen1Owen1 Join Date: 2003-04-13 Member: 15457Members
    maybe if u ask sheena real nice... u could alienify her shockwave cannon
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  • AbsolutSwedeAbsolutSwede Join Date: 2003-10-14 Member: 21693Members
    Hmmm not to sure about that. I mean the shockwave cannon is nice but i dont think it looks ne thing like Aliens theme stuff at all. sorry <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • Owen1Owen1 Join Date: 2003-04-13 Member: 15457Members
    thats exactly my point. what u need to do is modify the feet and skin, box sum of the stuff, change the barrel a bit, and there u go, aliens siege
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  • AbsolutSwedeAbsolutSwede Join Date: 2003-10-14 Member: 21693Members
    I think u will have 2 draw me the idea, i can c ne aliens theme coming out of that 1 too easily.

    Does ne 1 ne 1 at all have the original AvP seige???
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  • Owen1Owen1 Join Date: 2003-04-13 Member: 15457Members
    thats just a double barreled normal 1
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  • AbsolutSwedeAbsolutSwede Join Date: 2003-10-14 Member: 21693Members
    Not that 1, the other 1 that they made with the other sentry guns.
    (as in not the roughknights seige)
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  • NecrosisNecrosis The Loquacious Sage Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18828Members, Constellation
    Nothing in the Aliens universe really explains a gravitic weapon.


    You know, I'd be more inclined to "pretend" its a homing Katusha 6 antipersonnel rocket. Something like that.
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  • AkalamanaiaAkalamanaia Join Date: 2003-01-04 Member: 11833Members
    Try the turret gun from Avp2:Primal Hunt( the stationary one)..
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  • funbagsfunbags Join Date: 2003-06-08 Member: 17099Members
    <img src='http://assall.de/movie-prop/aliens/a2_61.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>



    that back turret....i drew something in language arts...(wow i hate essays...)with that cannon in mind.
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  • NecrosisNecrosis The Loquacious Sage Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18828Members, Constellation
    Tho it doesn't explain how the siege shoots through walls.
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  • Fox_OneFox_One Join Date: 2003-01-15 Member: 12310Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Necrosis+Oct 21 2003, 07:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Necrosis @ Oct 21 2003, 07:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Tho it doesn't explain how the siege shoots through walls. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You're not going to be able to explain that...
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  • ParaseticLifeFormParaseticLifeForm Join Date: 2003-07-23 Member: 18384Members
    i rather see something that would drill into the ground or something i think it would make more sense
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  • AbsolutSwedeAbsolutSwede Join Date: 2003-10-14 Member: 21693Members
    The big dubble cannon on top of the APC??

    Some 1 has already made a seige out of it but it was fairly ugly.
    I could make that 1 look prettier if i can get my hands on it. Otherwise i will have 2 start from scratch. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • NecrosisNecrosis The Loquacious Sage Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18828Members, Constellation
    I just DID explain it. Homing missiles. They exist in the Aliens universe, and look significantly different to a "normal" tf. The reason you don't see them is perhaps because they're camouflaged.

    It'd explain why rines need to "sight" their targets, for one. Second it'd explain how it goes round corners.


    And if any bright spark asks why rines can camouflage themselves, its because you can make metal totally sterile - something thats hard to do with a human.

    Makes sense to me?
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  • AbsolutSwedeAbsolutSwede Join Date: 2003-10-14 Member: 21693Members
    So how should i make that... like the missles on the droppship. I dont have ne problems with a big cannon that shoot through walls, ur idea doesnt always work as there r doors etc...
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  • IlluminaIllumina Join Date: 2003-07-27 Member: 18456Members
    It's easy to explain why they can shoot through walls. Ever see the movie eraser? They all had hand held railguns. Siege turrets are rail guns. They use intense magnetic force to propel cones of aluminum at such insane speeds that they can penetrate walls and blow huge holes in their target. I imagine that finding the target is done with radar pings or whatnot.
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  • AbsolutSwedeAbsolutSwede Join Date: 2003-10-14 Member: 21693Members
    yeh, shells can shoot through armored walls already 2day. Heard of the carl gustav anti tank rockets? Well thats 1 example <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> I just dont like the idea of a huge rocket going through a wall with out a fuzz, a "special" cannon shell maybe...
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  • NecrosisNecrosis The Loquacious Sage Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18828Members, Constellation
    Doors can be triggered electronically. And there's not an awful lot of doors on NS maps, so its a moot point compared to a gravitic weapon.



    As for concept....hm... I'd look at pics of automatic rocket/grenade launchers for inspiration. Perhaps something similar in feel to the marine turrets.

    <a href='http://www.milparade.com/2000/42/03_10.shtml' target='_blank'>http://www.milparade.com/2000/42/03_10.shtml</a>


    Mm? Perhaps put some jazzed up console shiznit beside it with "Target Locked" doodled on it.








    Rail guns aren't known for splash damage.
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  • JaegerJaeger Join Date: 2002-11-28 Member: 10202Members
    Siege turrets do not fire projectiles, so get off that mindset right now.

    The fact is nobody knows exactly what it is they fire, but so far the debate has gone hand-over-hand between microdense gravity wells and directed blasts of sonic energy. The techtrope doesn't go into much detail on that point.
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  • AbsolutSwedeAbsolutSwede Join Date: 2003-10-14 Member: 21693Members
    edited October 2003
    I dont know about the missle idea... works through walls but doesnt do the same thing and to fly all over the map to find a target... well concidering the explosion r almost instantanous.

    N yeah the link, thats an auto matic granage launcher, cool stuff... but yeah not a seige.

    What about a fatter sentry, with a bigger barrle and different support leggs? Or maybe just the APC gun?
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  • NecrosisNecrosis The Loquacious Sage Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18828Members, Constellation
    They don't fly around the whole map, just a small distance and only to a target thats been spotted in advance. Tracking or homing makes the most sense. As for "instantaneous", its not really instantaneous, there's a delay between seeing/pinging and the actual explosion. I'd call that a believable flight time.

    The reason I'm sticking staunchly to this idea is that it fits in with the Aliens universe seamlessly.

    Railguns don't really fit, and don't explain the blast radius. Gravitic or sonic weapons again don't really fit into the Alien universe. Small tracking antipersonnel missles does however make a bit more sense, and is only an evolution of existing technology.

    The automatic grenade launcher I showed you was an example of something that would have roughly the right bulk but retain the USCM design philosophy.
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  • AbsolutSwedeAbsolutSwede Join Date: 2003-10-14 Member: 21693Members
    LOL ok i was concidering the idea about rockets/missiles, but to make that n make it look good is beyond my skill... it would have looked good but... its hard. What i was thinking of was simple large shells that does the carl gustav thing with molten stuff that allows 1 part of the shell to fly through walls... as this only allows a small pin to fly through walls 2day... 2moro u can probably cause more explosive damage.
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  • funbagsfunbags Join Date: 2003-06-08 Member: 17099Members
    I want you each to take the "missle" idea out of your heads. its...tacky and a stupid idea (no offense) the rail gun makes a lot of sense.


    <img src='http://www.warmuseum.org/iraqi%20aaa%202.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
    It would look sexy to put those guarding plate things on the design.


    I say go with either the front or back turret from the apc, with that defensive plate thing.
    I was also thinking a 4 legged stand.
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  • AbsolutSwedeAbsolutSwede Join Date: 2003-10-14 Member: 21693Members
    Sorry 4 asking again but does ne 1 at all have ne clue how i can get my hands on the orginal APC style seige??

    N yeah maybe with out the sheild.. it is already sheilded with walls and it is automaticly operated so there is no purpos in protecting crew...

    The missle idea isnt stupid, i am concidering making 1 just 4 choice sake, but first i will make a more cannon like aliens seige. (Costum skins is all about choice n variation therefore i am careful with dismissing ideas) i did give the missile seige some thought n it is doable... but i dont have the time right now to do a project like that. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->

    For others who feal like taking on ne of these concepts, as it is right now the main ideas r:

    1. Missile seige
    2. Cannon seige (the 1 i want 2 work with but feal free 2 steal ne of these ideas)
    3. Bigger, heavier version of original avp sentry (i think it might b a good idea)
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  • NecrosisNecrosis The Loquacious Sage Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18828Members, Constellation
    Railgun makes no sense, its got no splash, and indeed would likely never have splash damage.

    Second, those are plates designed to protect an operator. The siege/turrets need neither. So its a bit silly.
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  • funbagsfunbags Join Date: 2003-06-08 Member: 17099Members
    it would protect the body of the gun.

    yes, you are correct in that there would be no splash..
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  • AbsolutSwedeAbsolutSwede Join Date: 2003-10-14 Member: 21693Members
    yeh there is no purpose of having sheilds. The body of the cannon is already heavily armored.
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  • AbsolutSwedeAbsolutSwede Join Date: 2003-10-14 Member: 21693Members
    What about this? Its a big sentry gun. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
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