Fade Script

Teioh · October 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">This should help new Fade players</div> <a href='http://members.shaw.ca/adam-d/fadescript.zip' target='_blank'>http://members.shaw.ca/adam-d/fadescript.zip</a>

This is a script I wrote up to help with basic fade movements. When the scripts are activated, you press and hold mouse2 to start blinking, let go and you stop. Press mouse 1 and you start to attack. This script eliminates the need to press 1, 2, or q(last weapon). If you edit the script you can do the same thing with Onos to make one key stomp and the other gore. When the script is off, it rebinds mouse to the popupmenu. When you join a game it *should* be in off mode and mouse2 should be in popupmenu but it is rather fickle.

This script isn't perfect, you may have to press f2 when you first join a game which will set the script to off mode to make your menu work. Due to animations, there are delays in the time between switching attacks. You can't blink, go right up to a person and start swinging right away, it will take about 1/2 of a second before you can swing. There is a little delay (very tiny) when you try to blink. Every once in a while the script will make itself repeat a command and you will end up attacking over and over again or blinking endlessly. To stop this just press use the other skill (ex. attacking endlessly just press the blink button to stop it and vice versa).

Vets probably won't need this script but it is helpfull for people who are just learning the Fade class.

Press f2 to turn the script on and off

Forlorn · October 2003

A fade script is useless, you have much more control without any scripts.

Cold_NiTe · October 2003

At least his intentions were honorable. All I really need to do is to make my own server and practice. I don't think scripts are the answer. Though I do like the whole idea of creating a psuedo-primary and secondary attack...

Teioh · October 2003

True but this gets rid of the need to press one and then attack. With this you press one button, blink up to the person and press the button right beside it to start attacking. Like I said, vets won't need this script but new players may find it useful.

im_lost · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Oct 26 2003, 09:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> A fade script is useless, you have much more control without any scripts. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
According to his posts, this is for people that haven't gotten the hang of controlling the fade yet, with all the weapon switching and everything else. Creating your own server to practice is fine, but it doesn't give you the experience of reacting to a marine rounding the corner with an hmg.

Tyrain · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (i'm lost @ Oct 27 2003, 05:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Oct 26 2003, 09:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> A fade script is useless, you have much more control without any scripts. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
According to his posts, this is for people that haven't gotten the hang of controlling the fade yet, with all the weapon switching and everything else. Creating your own server to practice is fine, but it doesn't give you the experience of reacting to a marine rounding the corner with an hmg. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

It's right what you say. I don't think anyone can argue about that.

P.S. the pre-last sentence in the first post was :"Vets probably won't need this script but it is helpfull for people who are just learning the Fade class."

MrPink · October 2003

It's better to learn it without a script. You may die the first 10 times that HMGer rounds the corner, but the 11th time you may have learned from your mistakes and gotten a little bit better, and kill him. When 2 HMGers round the corner you might get killed, but eventually you might learn some tricks to use to your advantage to kill those 2 HMGers. Using a script isn't teaching you anything, it teaches you to blink by pressing a button, it doesn't teach you to hit lastinv, look up, press mouse1, press lastinv, hold mouse1 for the correct timing, press lastinv, look up, jump, etc. etc. That is the real skill in being a good fade, if you do it with a script you learn nothing.

im_lost · October 2003

Using the script allows you to learn when to blink and how to blink in two separate steps rather than all at once.

MadcapMagician · October 2003

I've actually been using an almost identical script i wrote for quite some time except mine has variable wait times based on the lag. It works well enough in low lag servers but once the ping starts going up the fast weapon switching gets a bit wonky and it loses it's edge.
Still it's a great way to fade and makes midair combat way easier.

Cereal_KillR · October 2003

better start doing it the hard way, you won't get bad habits. Sure, you'll be slower at first, but you won't have to go through 'reeducation' to stop using scripts.

kavasa · October 2003

I don't think a script is <i>necessarily</i> worse. It would have been worse for me - once I train things into my brain to a certain point, it's hard to change them (I'm still hitting jump to go to med and ammo requests when I command). For other people though, it might be perfectly sensible to learn fade this way. I mean, Lorn and Pink, you're acting as if even suggesting it is equivalent to suggesting a logical contradiction is consistent (blah, first example that leapt to mind, gg 14 credits of philosophy this semester). I'd suggest that it's not at all fanciful that someone could learn fade with greater ease this way.

Also, I'm disappointed in you, ns.org - where're the people with the attempted slams about how any script makes you a noob or whatever it is they say?

I demand more drama.

uranium_235 · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kavasa @ Oct 27 2003, 05:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I demand more drama.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Drama is in <b>NUBCAEK</b> drama, or drama as in <b>I'm cheating on you, Martha, for your cousins math teacher!</b> drama?

Tonee · October 2003

omgz a scriptar... RUN!

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FuFu · October 2003

Script = cheat

SpaceMoogle5 · October 2003

seconded scripts = skill free players

Diskord · October 2003

Scripts are often used for training someone something. People often learn bunny hopping from scripts. Use them, but dont <i>rely</i> on them. Also, if you're really big on gaming, I suggest a five button mouse, then you can be leet like me and have it set up like this:

mouse1 - Attack [+attack]
mouse2 - Popup Menu [+popupmenu]
mouse3 - Spray [+spraylogo]
mwheelup - next weapon
mwheeldown - prev weapon
mouse 4 - reload [ +reload ]
mouse 5 - quick switch [ invlast, i think ]

*then set cl_quickselecttime 0* [ this doesn't create a delay between weapon switching ]

So, for instance say you want to leap bite:
toggle leap, then bite. hit mouse1 [ leap ], then mouse5 [ switch ], and mouse1 again. Your addrenaline will go down, but you may not actually see the model bite, but believe me it works.

It's the same concept as a fade/swipe combo. The only thing is, swipe requires alot more addrenaline to be activated, so its harder. You don't want to hold down blink, really. Crouch, jump, and tap it instead - you'll go flying with minimal addrenaline lost. Aim yerself right at some nub cake marine, and quick switch to swipe, and bam - he's toast.

*REMEMBER*
Fades aren't invincible. If you die too often, check a few things out:
1. Don't charge 4 marines - its not good.
2. Shotties aren't to be tangled with, get in, swipe, and get out.
3. Don't get carapace, don't get redemption - get regen and use blink to give you healing time.
4. Celerity can be very good with fades, but so can addrenaline. It's a trade off really. Addrenaline gives you more blink to close distance and celerity more speed, but when metabolize comes around, addrenaline is probably the winner.
5. Mines hurt.

MiffedRed · October 2003

can't people just play the game normally anymore? its all script this script that leet this leet that... it's worse than cs now tbh, imo ns has gone right down the pan, or maybe it's just the players... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

Forlorn · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MiffedRed @ Oct 27 2003, 08:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> can't people just play the game normally anymore? its all script this script that leet this leet that... it's worse than cs now tbh, imo ns has gone right down the pan, or maybe it's just the players... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LMAO.!!!!!

Anyhow, the reason why scripts are junk for the fade:

Put this in your console:

hud_fastswitch 1

K, now all you have to do to attack someone is get good with your lastinv button, and you are all set. A script would only waste adrenaline.

Redford · October 2003

I would consider this a low-key cheat, and don't need it anyway because I can blink just fine without a script - by using quicksqitch. The reason I view this as a borderline cheat is because blinking is so vital to the fade's operation. A fade is just a fade, but a fade who blinks and can use it well can be even more deadly then an onos - because if he allways blinks away the moment you start to hurt him, how are you going to finish him off? you can't, so he continues to take pieces out of your base (and your backside) until he's wracked up enough killres to re-evolve fade or onos - and then it wont MATTER if you kill him. He'll just come back as strong or better and continue to pwn you.

So, think of the poor marines. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

Epidemic · October 2003

I find this helpful, mostly because I tend to switch-lag when I try to switch from slash to blink. but now I can just hold down mouse2 <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Firewater · October 2003

Problem with scripts for new players is that, they tend to rely on them afterwards. Look at how many clan folk use bunny hop scripts and pistol scripts, and they supposately know the game. Just learn the game like its meant to be played, without an autoexec.

EnemyWithin · October 2003

Damn script cheaters! You people are almost as bad as those that use fast computers and increase the sensitivity on their mouse. Next thing you know you will be using voice comm to get an unfair advantage over those of us that don't have microphones. Everyone knows that real men play at 640x480 with default binds and default sensitivity on the minimum recommended computer. Anyone deviating from this setup will surely be banished to the depths of Hell for all eternity.

I love my blink script, but then again, I'm a skill-less nub.

MiffedRed · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Oct 27 2003, 01:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LMAO.!!!!!</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

my point exactly..... the players... i think **** is the word i'm looking for <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> ahh well .. when's the next mod out? hehe <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Xodlike · October 2003

Cleanse yourselfs until wwcl shall arive.

Lucid · October 2003

To think that scripts give you an advantage in ns is somewhat naive. I think I've heard of scripts in other games that let you fire off a few bullets before recoil came into effect. But theres no scripting in ns that allows you to exploit anything. Why use scripts if they don't offer an advantage? It's just preference. Some people use mwheel for pistol even though its slower than just clicking. Why? Preference. They just like doing it that way. I use arrow keys for movement instead of WASD. Am I a skilless noob for not playing with the movement keys intended?

For blinking and swiping I do just fine with this setup:

bind mouse1 +attack
bind mouse2 slot1
bind mwheelup slot2
hud_fastswitch 1

but other people might feel uncomfortable with that, or it may clash with their setup. So maybe they use a script to achieve the same effect in a different way. So what. If there was a script that made you swipe twice as fast then YES that would be lame and definately cheating. But theres no script like that. Even if there are some that I haven't heard of, the script that was originally posted is not one of them. It doesn't give you any kind of advantage over someone who doesn't use it.

Morden · October 2003

Scripts.... bah. Thats all i have to say.

Firewater · October 2003

Yeah but at what point do people actually play the game? Better to have 0 scripts then to let people have things that take away from the skill of the game. Bunny hopping is a skill, so is micromanaging between blink and swipe. I have no respect for those who use scripts, and most of the people who use them suck anyways because when they get into a situation when their script cant save them, they do not know what to do.

Just play the game.

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I love my blink script, but then again, I'm a skill-less nub.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

You said it, not me <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Lucid · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([UVic] Morden @ Oct 27 2003, 11:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Scripts.... bah. Thats all i have to say.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
obviously you disregarded my post

Lucid · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Firewater @ Oct 27 2003, 11:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Yeah but at what point do people actually play the game? Better to have 0 scripts then to let people have things that take away from the skill of the game. Bunny hopping is a skill, so is micromanaging between blink and swipe. I have no respect for those who use scripts, and most of the people who use them suck anyways because when they get into a situation when their script cant save them, they do not know what to do.

Just play the game.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Lucid uses arrow keys because he can't keep up with the pros who use WASD. Why can't he just play the game?

criticaI · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Firewater @ Oct 27 2003, 01:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Yeah but at what point do people actually play the game? Better to have 0 scripts then to let people have things that take away from the skill of the game. Bunny hopping is a skill, so is micromanaging between blink and swipe. I have no respect for those who use scripts, and most of the people who use them suck anyways because when they get into a situation when their script cant save them, they do not know what to do.

Just play the game.

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I love my blink script, but then again, I'm a skill-less nub.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

You said it, not me <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Righto, chap. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> Its not going to help on the highest level, although it may help against low level pubs.

Epidemic · October 2003

JESUS, THIS IS PURELY OPTIONAL AND 100% LEGITIMATELY.
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

Fade Script

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