Won Hit The Crapper, "official" Ns Steam Version?

Cowswin · October 2003

Hey, it seems that WON hit the crapper (or maybe just our area got taken down, who knows) but I can't refresh with ASE or through any WON server. I'm downloading STEAM again (because I deleted it the first time) and I'm wondering when the official steam compliant version of NS is coming out, 2.1 I believe? Sometime in the next couple weeks? Until then, looks like I'll be working on my own game <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

(and the point of the thread is...)
What's the rumor on the street of the release date or official date if there is one?

Xzilen · October 2003

Well they haven't announced it as offical news on their Steampowered.com so perhaps WON was just down for a little bit?

Max · October 2003

From the main Natural Selection page:

"We are very close to releasing 2.1 publically"

Max

MadcapMagician · October 2003

Ugh, guess that means I'll have to update to steam soon.
Anyone else suspect the 31st as the release date... It would be exactly 1 years since 1.0 release.

Aea · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>WON
Roughly 50% of the community has migrated to using Steam as the way to play our games. The WON authentication system won’t go away until Steam is ready for the entire user base. We don’t yet have an exact date when this will happen</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> - October 23, 2003, 12:32 pm · Greg Coomer

Novis · October 2003

Hm, so ... ns will lose a good part of it's community ?

Narfwak · October 2003

A quick, slightly related question - is 2.1 being developed exclusively for Steam, or will it have WON compatibility?

Alcapwn · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Novis @ Oct 27 2003, 02:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Hm, so ... ns will lose a good part of it's community ?  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
no, it means that half of the games/players out there have officially moved to steam... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

uranium_235 · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aea @ Oct 27 2003, 02:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>WON
Roughly 50% of the community has migrated to using Steam as the way to play our games. The WON authentication system won’t go away until Steam is ready for the entire user base. We don’t yet have an exact date when this will happen</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> - October 23, 2003, 12:32 pm · Greg Coomer  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
In case you haven't noticed, what Valve says and what actually happens has nothing to do with each other.

Disman · October 2003

I've been having the same problems. I usually wait about 5 mins and hit refresh on my ASE and it works every time. Dunno why this happens but it does. :/

Novis · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (h20 @ Oct 27 2003, 02:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Novis @ Oct 27 2003, 02:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Hm, so ... ns will lose a good part of it's community ? </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
no, it means that half of the games/players out there have officially moved to steam... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Well, yes, thank you for repeating Coomer's statement.
Let me say it this way: Based on that quote every mod-community consists of 50% non-steamers (actual values may differ) until steam is the only way to go, from then, obviously their community is 100% steamers.
So, when a mod update is released that excludes 50% of it's players from the game, these 50% will either have to upgrade to steam or quit.
While I can image that some of them will consider upgrading, I have a feeling that ns will lose those early that either cannot due to technical reasons (bugs, network environment etc.) or don't want to (bugs, security issues etc.).

esuna · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Narfwak @ Oct 27 2003, 08:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> A quick, slightly related question - is 2.1 being developed exclusively for Steam, or will it have WON compatibility?  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
As has been stated in countless threads by countless people, NS 2.1 is Steam only.

There is no point to making a WON release since WON is in the process of shutting down. Steam is the new way forward, you have no choice in the matter. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Tyrain · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Narfwak @ Oct 27 2003, 08:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> A quick, slightly related question - is 2.1 being developed exclusively for Steam, or will it have WON compatibility?  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
There will be no WON in the near future. So it's pointless to develop for WON.

Forlorn · October 2003

WON is still up and fine. WTH are you all talking about?

xeNixx · October 2003

I swear to christ when VALVe officially replaces WON with STEAM I have lost all respect for this company.

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esuna · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (xeNixx @ Oct 27 2003, 09:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I swear to christ when VALVe officially replaces WON with STEAM I have lost all respect for this company.

---- Incoming hate mail detected ----  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
I'm sure VALVe will be wiping their tears away with $100 notes when they hear that. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Venmoch · October 2003

I really, really like Steam

All it needs is an MP3 player and I'll be set.

semipsychotic · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I really, really like Steam

All it needs is an MP3 player and I'll be set. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Agreed.

But it already has an MP3 player. Unfortunately, I don't know how to use it. Would anybody care to enlighten us? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

NeoMatrixj2 · October 2003

NS 2.1 is being developed specifically for steam. there will be no won support.

kavasa · October 2003

Well, since steam currently works for me, and vanilla HL is getting senseless choke etc, I'm all for WON getting turned off and forcing everyone to steam. :o

Forlorn · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kavasa @ Oct 27 2003, 06:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Well, since steam currently works for me, and vanilla HL is getting senseless choke etc, I'm all for WON getting turned off and forcing everyone to steam. :o  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Lag on STEAM is worse than WON, I wouldn't be happy if I were you. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'>

Disman · October 2003

My lag has just recently went to crap when i'm in a large room full of other players. This has never happened to me before. There are a few others with the same problem. I wonder if it is because WON is being taken down and everyone is being encouraged to go to STEAM?

There are several STEAM players who have not complained. So I'd say the majority of people like it so far now that they have switched over. (I have not personally d/l'ed steam so i do not have first hand knowledge of it. I am merely going by the posts I have read)

taboofires · October 2003

Valve might have just migrated more WON servers over to STEAM content server usage, and took a bit too many away. They did something similar over the summer, and caused all sorts of connection problems for WON players.

Katsuro · October 2003

WON is probably not going away until next year at the earliest.

0pZ3r0 · October 2003

from what iv been reading 2.1 will be a officaly supported throught steam meaning all updates will come throught steam and will be just like haveing cs on your computer. i may be wrong but that the way it sounded to me.

Sandrock · October 2003

Steam actually works pretty well with 2.1 so far. I join servers far faster than I do in CS or DoD. Although Steam does use some system resources, I haven't really noticed a difference (on my system anyways) between Steam and WON, in either ping or framerate. I'm still chugging along at 99.9 fps. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

Novis · October 2003

I guess steam running well on anyones machine is not the problem here.
What about those ns players that cannot use the current steam public beta version on their computer for one reason or another ?

Trent_Hawkins · October 2003

When they do eventually close down the WON, I'll be saying; "damn... oh well, time to play some other game."
A month or so later I'll miss NS, and a few other mods; "I guess I should upgrade to STEAM now..."

Mullet · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (xeNixx @ Oct 27 2003, 01:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I swear to christ when VALVe officially replaces WON with STEAM I have lost all respect for this company.

---- Incoming hate mail detected ----  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
I wub Valve no matter what they do! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Trevelyan · October 2003

*Valve turns Mullets Lag to "none" option and mullet joins pro-steam group*

DIE COMMIE NAZI DICTATOR STEAM LOVING SCUM!!!!

*Men in black suits dragg away trev to be "silenced"*

Akalamanaia · October 2003

if Won Goes down what happens to Homeworld 1? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>, Also Sierra Sucks Alot, If ya seen HW2 Trailer "Dust Wars", it had diffrent engine than current HW2 and was better in my opinion, but Sierra Wanted More "Cheap" Game becuase they couldnt use bit extra money to pay the developers pay check :\. I won't buy Half Life 2... All Sierra does is Bullsh*t.

Won Hit The Crapper, "official" Ns Steam Version?

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