Monetary Reperations
CommunistWithAGun
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<div class="IPBDescription">For non-numerical minorities.</div> I disagree with it for the fact that I don't think one should be able to get money for having ancestors that suffered, by the hands of some other peoples ancestors. To me it sounds like free money. Thoughts?
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This thread is suppose to be about getting money for being something not white..? Sounds stupid to me. Just because your ancestors were apparently mistreated, why should YOU get anything for it? What have YOU done that deserves the money? Nothing. Why should you get it? There isn't one. Why should you even think about demanding money for your ancestors suffering? Because you are a greedy slob.
What 90% of the people don't know is that black people (yes, in africa) often kidnapped and SOLD their own people into slavery. Which cracks me up sometimes when people are talking about going "back to africa".
I disagree with it anyway. a) I never enslaved anyone, b) most of the people demanding compenstation have never been enslaved, and c) whos ancestors HAVENT been mistreated at one time or another?
In the end, the nation cannot afford to compensate everyone demanding compensation, and if you'll notice, many people demanding compensation have been sapping off the government for some time now in the first place.
/me fully agrees with cwag.
No one in my ancestoral heritage ever owned any slaves (I have the records to prove it), and my great great great grandfather was a conductor on the underground railroad, and donated land to former slaves after the war to help them become independent. As far as I'm concerned, we (my family) don't owe anybody anything.
Here in Wisconsin, the Ho-Chunk tribe has a HUGE almost monolithic casino, which they pay zero Income tax on, and can hunt game year round with no limitations, receive extra scholorships for being native american. The requirements are you be at least 1/8th Ho-chunk. IIRC you don't even need tribal status.
Try that on for size. Its a bit more tricky than the main example we see (Blacks wanting reperations for ancestral slavery)
What else could be done? Put up thousands of statues and memorials?
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To be more correct, it wasn't just "often." Warlords in Africa <b>invented</b> slavery. They enslaved their own people long before Europeans came to the continent. It was considered part of their culture. White people did not just land on the continent and think "hey, we should steal some of these people and enslave them!" They came across local tribes and villages where people were working as slaves for their masters. Most likely, on friendly exchange of gifts to show your respect for another culture, the african leaders gave the visitors slaves as a gift. White Europeans are not innocent by any stretch of the imagination, however. It did not take long before an opportunity was realized. They are guilty of exploiting that cultural trait and helping to expand the slavery trade tremendously.
Warlords essentially treated other humans as a commodity. In fact, when the slave trade was starting to decline and be denounced in both Europe and America, these same warlords began to complain about the decline. They actually wanted slavery to continue so that they could continue to receive goods in return, and were very upset when white people stopped coming to Africa. Some of the most heinous crimes and inhumane treatment of slaves came at the hands of these warlords. They would kill slaves for enjoyment and sport.
There are even letters from warlords sent to their old business partners in America inquiring about when they might again do business. These letters were very much like modern day "keep in touch" sales letters. How's your family, how's the wife, hope everything is okay with you, looking forward to your next visit, bring lots of goods, we have a good selection, etc. There was an entire business relationship between african warlords and white slave traders. No one seems to be going after warlord ancestors for reparations. Probably because they don't have much money.
We are guilty, however, of destroying Native American societies. That truly is the black mark of America's Manifest Destiny. There was a chance to peacefully co-exist, but it didn't happen. They were a threat to the coast-to-coast mentality at the time.
The Swiss banks owe the Jews alot of money because Nazis stole from the Jews and stored it in Swiss banks, which then used the aforementioned moolah to invest and expand their enterprises. Should the Jews get it back? I'd hope so. But these aren't reparations. Just keep this in mind.
The argument that "giving reparations would be like giving a bum money only to have him go off and get liquor" isn't the spirit of what reparations are, but the description is pretty accurate. The line in Barbershop that Cedric The Entertainer says was the best example of this, when he said that "if black folk got civil war reparations, we'd see a whole lot more new cadillacs in driveways." Total agreement because, let's be honest, if any ONE of us got any type of cash windfall, we'd always end up blowing it on SOMETHING. Maybe some of us will save some money, but it'll eventually be for something big, like a new car. I know I wouldn't handle it well... My wardrobe would be dazzling, my computer would be a monster gaming rig, and I'd have a couple of trips to italy under my belt, but outside of that, nothing USEFUL. So we can agree on the fact that NO ONE would be able to handle extra cash very well, us included, can't we...?
That being said... what if the Swiss banks sat on the issue of Jewish money for 150 years? Would we react in the same way when they would ask for their money? There's a rather sinister implication that if issues like these are swept under the rug for a long enough time, people will stop caring about it and start saying "well what are they whining about now?"
Regardless, the main problem with reparations is that they are compensations in the form of money to attempt to repair cultural damage. Something material to help alleviate something abstract. It doesn't make any sense. Then again, what does? It's a very very difficult issue to consider, and it's a bit more complex than a simple "the people who want reparations are bums."
Wow. Now I see where your PC thread comes from. In one short statement you made two very disturbing stereotypes. You assume any and all African Americans looking for reparations must be both A) lazy and B) unemployed. I think you are very much the racist.
Quit jumping down my throat, I am not racist, I hate all lazy people who want(and expect) free money, white or black or purple. This topic just so happens to be about blacks
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The key word here is <b>any</b>. By any, you mean all. And when you said ALL, you used a racist stereotype to classify "them." How do you know Denzel Washington or Oprah Winfrey are not big supporters of reparations? Just because you can justify your classifications as facts by using percentages to back them does not make them non-racist. The majority of gun-toting, slack-jawed yokels in Kentucky might be unemployed, poor white trash living in trailer homes, but that does <b>not</b>, in any way, shape, or form, give you the right to use those terms to apply to ALL white people. Doing so would be <b>racist</b>. That is the definition... classifying a person purely by their cultural ancestry, and assuming them to be inferior. The actions of a few do not define the many. I'm actually surprised your post has yet to be edited.
I don't see anywhere in the opening post a single mention of African Americans. This topic is about minorities and their reparations for earlier crimes against their people... Africans for slavery, Native Americans for manifest destiny, Japanese for internment during WW2, et al. Keep posts to the general.
I said this before, it's a bit more complex than just "bums wanting free cash."
Seems like any posts about blacks are justified to me. Must you put racist in bold, I have black friends, and the topic of reperations has come up in my conversations with some of them. The usual response is "sure I would love some extra cash." But they agree that they have done no work and frankly as one said " I don't give a **** about my kin, but you can give me the money anyhow". Just from personal experence it does not seem like an idea taken to seriously within ether the white or the black commuinty.
Screw personal experience. I once got into an argument with a guy who made a racist joke and his rationale was "my wife is asian, and she laughed at it." What, does that suddenly give him an okay to do so in front of me?
Also: "they agree that they have done no work"? Whaaa?
Also, again: WILL YOU READ MY POSTS ALREADY?!
Posts about African Americans are okay, racist comments and stereotypes are not. I will gladly remove racist if you clean up your post. All you have to say is "there isn't enough money right now" and then continue on with point number two. Heck, I'll delete my entire post.
i pass about 200 people daily walking to class, four black bums asking for cash, and rarely one white bum asking for cash. of that 200 students, based on statistics, 1/16th would be black. thats 12.5 kids on average.
so every black person i see daily is 12 students four bums, and five janitors. now based on my surroundings what kind of view would i have of such people? i mean purely statistically, i would see almost half of them as impoverished and whiny. what do you want us to think in this society?
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on topic; my grandma gives those Ho-Chunk casino guys about 200$ every weekend, thats plenty of friggin reparation, especially considering our family came to milwaukee in 1890 and never had any part in any slavery and never did anything to any of the indians. **** them. whenever they do get money from the govt they are being racist against all whites by considering my family in with the slaveowners (who were, may i remind you an extremely small percentage of the total population at ANY point in time)
bah, its an idiotic topic that only widens the racial divides we should be closing. when anyone seriously pushes for reparations they are effectively creating an "us minority" versus a "them white government".
Blacks scored the worst on the SAT, lower then Mexicans. Fact.
I asked him why America was spelt wrong and he had no idea that there was an A in America.
Now personal experiences shape a persons view of the world, baised on that, what am I to think....
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I didn't realize Mexicans counted as a racial group. Perhaps by "Mexicans" you meant "Latinos"...? Hmmmmmmmm...
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I asked him why America was spelt wrong and he had no idea that there was an A in America.
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Don't you mean "based"? Heh heh heh.
Oh wait, I have a 'racist, stereotypical remark'! Here:
Asians scored better than everyone else. I am asian.
I have an even better one! Here:
Read my earlier posts! ALL OF YOU!