Piracy
BlackMage
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<div class="IPBDescription">project for school</div> this would usually go to off topic, but it's also a convenient way to discuss
i have to write an essay on a controversial topic, piracy.
i have to remain neutral on the topic, so after this i will only check back to see what comes up
1) this is piracy of software/music
2) no flames, no direct replys (which too often are thought to be flames)
3) no linking to or showing how to get anything illegal
3) no linking to or showing how to get anything that may be considered illegal (grey area)
4) try to reference facts
5) the abandonware issue is fair game
6) try not to repeat others
7) read through the entire topic before posting
8) remail intelligent at all times
9) resurn your seatbacks to the upright position, this is a non-smoking flight, discuss!
i have to write an essay on a controversial topic, piracy.
i have to remain neutral on the topic, so after this i will only check back to see what comes up
1) this is piracy of software/music
2) no flames, no direct replys (which too often are thought to be flames)
3) no linking to or showing how to get anything illegal
3) no linking to or showing how to get anything that may be considered illegal (grey area)
4) try to reference facts
5) the abandonware issue is fair game
6) try not to repeat others
7) read through the entire topic before posting
8) remail intelligent at all times
9) resurn your seatbacks to the upright position, this is a non-smoking flight, discuss!
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lol i am teh funny. :-)
It can mean copying something from someone else.
I doubt in the 1400s, "copying" information about someone was ever called stealing.
In the age of information, stealing can mean the stealing of ideas.
Piracy is not theft. The unlawful taking of property. Piracy is copyright infringement.
The two charges have vastly different punishments associated with them. The most obvious of such is incarceration for theft but only punitive arrangements for copyright infringement.
Piracy is a civil matter in my opinion. Theft is criminal.
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I consider racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. to be just as bad. As for war, there are always two sides; and sometimes, war can have a noble purpose.
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I consider racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. to be just as bad. As for war, there are always two sides; and sometimes, war can have a noble purpose. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
and piracy is where?
sorry but ... i kinda had to
The only justifiable war is the revolution; and that is a war of self-defense.
The USA declared itself independent of Britain, and was attacked.
The French bourgeoisie, forming the National Assembly, declared itself independent of the Estates-General, and was attacked.
The Russian workers and peasants, forming the Soviet Union, declared themselves independent of noblemen and businessmen, and were attacked.
How does piracy fit into this? I shall explain:
Property is the main element of the old society.
Property has not always existed among humans. It began in the middle ages and reached the state of development that it is at today under capitalism, where everything belongs to somebody.
I think everything should belong to everybody. That doesn't mean, if someone has an orange, you can take it. It just means that everyone who wants an orange, and works or is a child/student, should get their orange, if they pay for it with the money they get: the same amount everyone gets for a fair work week, something like 40 hours a week, 8 a day.
How much does the orange cost? It will cost the amount of time it took to make it.
Native American chiefs, of nomadic societies, bemoaned the European system of buying and selling land. "You can not own the land as much as you can own the air" were the words of a chief whose name I've the misfortune to forget. Nowadays, every inch of land in the USA has someone in charge of it. One can not walk free today, or he/she will tread on another's property. It's pretty sad really. I long for the day when the earth will belong to all those who inhabit it, and not just those lucky enough to have all the property.
Furthermore, the idea that a piece of art can be owned and leased should be repulsive to any lover of the arts. They are making every little thing owned. The big businessmen are even trying to copyright the human genome. That is very telling of how shallow they and their property-system are: they will keep humanity from humans. But property, being unnatural, is not going to be taken by everyone to be the absolute. Eventually, it will even be overthrown.
So anyway like I said.. you want to get rid of piracy, you get rid of property. Hell, this goes back to the Tao. Without business, why would there be thieves?
Unfortunately, history has shown that abolishing property takes time and bloodshed; the final struggle of the workers against their bosses. I don't disagree with you on war. To quote Lenin, "Revolution is war. Of all the wars known in history, it is the only lawful, rightful, just and truly great war."
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Unfortunately, history has shown that abolishing property takes time and bloodshed; the final struggle of the workers against their bosses. I don't disagree with you on war. To quote Lenin, "Revolution is war. Of all the wars known in history, it is the only lawful, rightful, just and truly great war." <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
*kicks revolutionary in the nuts repeatedly*
AMERICA IS NOT CAPITALIST, It is a represenative republic with a democratic electoral process. It's economic system is socialist- in between Communism and Capitalism.
Get your head out of your ****.
Abolishing property? Ok, please send me your computer by FedEx, since you don't appear to want it anymore.
If you think this is a flame- bite me. I will not leave people like him unanswered.
I guess at the end of the day RIAA has it right. People shouldnt be downloading mp3's from the Net, thats stealing (or copyright infringement). Trying to justify it with "well they charge too much" doesnt really cut it - because if it did I would go right now and clean out the entire Harvey Norman chain. Daylight robbery or not, we cannot justify our piracy by claiming the other side isnt holding up their end of the bargain.
The music is information, copyrighted by the artist. When you buy the CD, you aren't buying the information, but instead a license to make use of it. The information is only ever the property of the copyright holder, but the information does not have to be 'yours' (In the sense of it being your property) in order for you to make use of that information.
As the owner of the copyright, the artist has the ability to sell licenses for the use of the article, among other things. Theft of the music would likely be defined as taking this ability from the artist unlawfully, i don't actually know how you'd manage that :)
Instead, when you download music you're making a copy of the copyrighted information without a license to do so. If this is for personal use, then that's copyright infringement, but it is even possible to download tracks without infringing copyright depending on your reasons for downloading it and how you use it. Either way, the law doesn't classify it as theft.
the US is capitalistic, a darwinism of economy. if you are not needed, adapt or die.
with the Internet, anyone has the ability to distribute data without actually needing a physical medium, eliminating the need for tapes and cd's
record companies are responsible for placing artists' data (and claiming it) on said tapes and cds
therefore: record companies are unnecessary, useless. riaa is simply trying to prolong the inevitable, trying to be useful
solution: all artists give their music away over the internet.
sounds stupid, doesn't it? but it makes perfect sense, since more people will have acess to more artists (no labels to deny you acess to the world market) artists can collect all royalties from radio air time, and collect all income from concerts, the number of which should go up.
all you have to do is look at the problem from a different angle, and eliminate all problems ... riaa will be mad? so will every other entity that sudenly becomes unneeded
They seriously need to chill out, drop the lawsuits, and figure out a way to make profit in another way. Their music is still a traded goods commodity. They just need to figure out a way to make profit from it again. Perhaps make licensing software deal with Microsoft so that your files are write-protected, can only be read, and played n number of times. Only if you have the proper key can you download/send.
You could use this anyway you wanted, but the most practical purpose would be to get profit off of internet file sharing on the internet.
Anyway, let me quick browse...
I'm using a pirated OS, I have a spindle of 60+ CDs with nothing but pirated software on it, I used a pirated copy of half-life to get a legit copy about 4 years ago (Through some cleverness I devised <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->)
The RIAA is fighting a losing battle. Piracy is like a war on drugs. If drugs were legal / music was reasonablly priced, game software was always superb and not **** rehashes that make me scared to spend my money on them, the problem would go away. Napster came back with a pay-to-use and download service, and they have this ad campaign saying 'NAPSTER'S BACK!'.
Except no one will use it. The idea behind napster was free downloading of music. They got shut down. Now they come back saying 'Now pay us, but we're napster, so it's cool!'. Sorry Napster, you're not 'back', you've just revived as RIAA's puppet.
i answered the property question too, but u only read the first 2 paragraphs so how would u know?
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lol socialist? i dont see any wealth being divided for the good of all: i see businessmen on TV, and in real life, i see poor people stuggling from day to opressed day.
if you think that the definition of socialism is a public education system, some regulated industries, and a bit of welfare, then you're wrong. we don't even break up monopolies: look at Microsoft and how it skated through the antitrust hearings, unhurt.
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why cant u be **** mature
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u already have one ****
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stop referring to me in third person as if i am some rabid madman. you and your capitalist types got the same criticism "oh it will never work get your head out of your ****" from the church and the noblemen, back during the bourgeois or "industrial" revolutions.
anyway like i said..
if u want to get rid of piracy, get rid of property
Someone said the RIAA should evolve. They really should, problem is, they won't. It's a sad byproduct of capitalism. Simply, the RIAA is too unwilling to renounce any money by itself. They expect everything should come to them, that they should not have to cut their own costs because of a phenomenon. If the RIAA really wanted to revive its CD economy, they would cut off all the middlemen and intermediaries that leech money out of CD sales, allowing them to sell CDs for a much lower price.
In a world where there is no competition allowed, music would obviously be available for free - it's a reproducable commodity that costs $0 to reproduce (yes it does take money to produce). The problem is that in capitalism entrepreneurs have latched onto every commodity that ought to be free and attempted to make a profit out of them.
Perhaps more importantly, who is this gonna stop? Instead of deterring piracy, I bet 3 out of 4 of your average moviegoers are gonna say to themselves, "woah, I can download movies for free? I had no clue --what the heck am I doing here??" It's not just like asking a guest not to steal from you -- it's like saying, "Please don't steal the rent money I hid under the left sofa cushion..."
If only commercials were getting LESS obnoxious instead of MORE, then perhaps piracy wouldn't be such a big issue. I can't stand listening to commercial radio or watching commercial TV anymore -- it's becoming utterly unbearable. There was a time when a half hour show was really 26+ minutes... now, they're like 20 minutes, with a full 10 minutes of commercial filler... radio is even worse...
to cut to the point, a society is being bred in which piracy is inevitable...
And that would be what kind of world?
For instance, one could copy a CD for himself, and there would be no controversy. However, if one copies a CD for himself, and then later gives it away to a friend, that is consider piracy on the basis that another person has lawfully obtained someone elses property.
So technically speaking, the act of piracy has nothing to do with copying the CD, but with the loss of a pool of potential consumers, they now have the music that they no longer need to purchase. But then one could argue that if the person was to never buy the CD anyways than is it controversial at all ? There was no loss of profit.
An interesting subject is that there's multiple companies who use KaZaa and Grokster in able to report information to radio stations in order to make profits. They use the statistics of the most popular downloaded songs and change their playlists in order to suit their needs. So although they "claim" it is illegal, they are using it to make money off it, and if you bring up the case that people wouldn't have bought the CD anyways they are allowed a free base of information in order to make cash off people they normally wouldn't have been able to make money off of.
So they funny thing is that companies are making money off people who would never buy a CD, but might download a track or two of it, because they are successful in creating more popular radio stations.
lets assume theoretical band A, for the purpose of the sim: Linkin Park
and theoretical music based website B, for the sim: <a href='http://launch.yahoo.com' target='_blank'>Yahoo! LaunchCast</a>
and of course record label C, unnamed.
Linkin Park decides to evolve (yay) but evolution is slow, so they take a song, mix it up a bit and 'give' it to Yahoo! with the agreement of 12.5% ad revenue (from download page), friendly relations, and one favor point (FP from now on)
Linkin Park gains:
some ad money
friends with big comapny
no contracts
one FP
Yahoo! gains:
exclusive content
more traffic
- ad money
People gain:
new song
of course the song will be distributed on kazaa and such, but that's irrelevent because just by mentioning launchcast (link above) i have probably given yahoo! somewhere between 2 and 15 new customers, and the initial wave of downloads will be from yahoo!
now later in the year Linkin Park goes on tour, remembering their one FP with Yahoo! they ask Yahoo! to advertise, and possibly sell e-tickets (possily with help from TicketMaster, more FP's handed out, more sales and commisions and royalties to everyone) and Yahoo, again gets more traffic but this time Linkin Park doesn't ask for an ad percent (or maybe a small one) because their ticket sales will go up because Yahoo! (which, if you haven't noticed is freaking huge) is saying good things about them
Linkin Park gains:
ticket sales
Yahoo! gains:
more traffic
- ad revenue
People gain:
a concert
Record Label C gains:
nothing, because they refused to eveolve. Infact they just <i>lost</i> Linkin Park (and all associated income) to Yahoo!
QED
like the bourgeoisie could establish new means of production and oust the aristocracy, technology allows artists to work better without labels, and labels are going south. HAh