Skulk Movement Behaviour.

Kalias

<div class="IPBDescription">Skulk max speed relating to pitch.</div> Very recently I had decided to test an old client hook for tfc which contained a speedometer to see if it would work with NS as I wished to see some exact values for movement and bunnyhopping, however I came across something odd.

When using the skulk I found that the speed you travelled at related to the angle (up and down) you were looking, for example when looking up 10 degrees you move much slower than when looking directly forwards.

'So what' I hear you say...

Well, when looking down slightly your maximum speed actually increases, when looking down at an angle of say... 45 degrees... you gain an increase in speed of around 30 percent, if you get closer to the optimum angle you go even faster.

This is not caused by the hook, and was tested with it removed by timing movement across the great viaduct, ns_nothing.

This strange behaviour only seems to affect the skulk, as all other roles (lerk, fade, gorge, onos, marine, heavy, jetpacker) move at the same speed no matter what angle you walk around in.
In addition this behaviour ceases when the 'crouch' key is pressed so I can only assume it is related to the skulks wall running code... and possibly a variation of the engine exploitation used to climb ladders (and walls as a skulk) faster than usual.

Any additional information can be forwarded to NS devs at their request.

Should this topic require moving feel free to do so, however I have lost all confidence in the bug report forum, which gives off the impression of never being reviewed, even if it is.

CheesyPeteza

I used that program too to improve my bunny hopping. They said they weren't going to fix the speed increase from strafing against a wall as it wasn't an issue worth the effort of fixing and you get 150% speed increase with it . So they probably won't be bothered with this either especially as you have to look at the ground for it to work which is kind of suicidal. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

Kalias

For clarification only the speed increase from this does not stack with the speed increase from wall strafing, else you would have a method to rival any skill of bunnyhopper.

TheWizard

One of the reasons that you are noticing the difference with the skulk is due to its ability to cling to the walls. Even though the floor is horizontal it is still considered a wall when dealing with the skulk cling.

Try this: Look greater than 80 degrees above the horizontal and walk forward. You will notice that the skulk bounces over the ground. Again wall cling effect.

There is very little that can be done to remove this effect as limiting it would also hamper the skulks ability to walk on the walls without falling off every little edge or bump.


That is what is causing your speedometer to report different speeds. You are moving in a very minute jagged pattern rather than straight.

Imagine this to be a graph of height vs distance

0 degree elevation: ______________________________

10 degree elevation: _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

90 degree elevation: /|_/|_/|_/|_/|_/|_/|_/|_/|_/|_/|_/|_/|_/

You are travelling greater distances so your forward speed is reduced.

Kalias

I know full well you go slower when looking further up from horizontal... what I am saying is you go *faster* when you look down from horizontal.

To follow on from your example...

0 degree elevation: ______________________________

-45 degree elevation: ____________________________________________

Vulgar_Menace

And i know you have too much time on your hands

Techen

I think its a cool quark of the Half-Life engine. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

Trevelyan

It gives the engine personality... i like it, dont remove it plz <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

civman2

bunny hopping is still faster, i don't see the point in this.

ThE_HeRo

not another "Is bhop moral?" topic...

Soberana

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<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>IS IT?</span>

Aea

Well, staying on topic here, I think as you said before it's just a "bug," although it would be a nice permant feature <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

Rue

Kalias is right and it doesnt seem to help a bit, but this is nothing like bhopping as bhoping needs people to add alot of efort or a script , this may be a bug but u can stop people looking down when they move.

nice work finding it but i think id would have been better pm'ing it to flarya as he does read most of the messages.

Gliss

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I don't believe it would be possible, unless they removed the Skulk's wall-climbing ability, anyways. d=

Kwil

So you mean to say that when a skulk is watching where it puts its spikes it can move faster?

Hm.

Whoda thunk?

S2R2

<!--QuoteBegin--Kalias+Nov 11 2003, 04:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kalias @ Nov 11 2003, 04:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This strange behaviour only seems to affect the skulk, as all other roles (Skulk, lerk, fade, gorge, onos, marine, heavy, jetpacker) move at the same speed no matter what angle you walk around in.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wait ... <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo--> and <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo--> are the same right?
Take a look at what you said
Angle of view affects <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo--> speed but not the speeds of <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::lerk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::fade::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/fade.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='fade.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> Heavy <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'><!--endemo-->
jetpack <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo-->
so which is it? <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo--> or <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo-->

Align

Nitpicker.

hawthorne

actually, you might want to try this with fade blink as well - i got a sort of quicker glide when i blinked with my view angled down.

of course, i had nothing to measure with... so...

Paranoia2MB

Interesting.

I too have noticed this quite some time back. Never said anything though, didn't think much of it.

Good job. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

DuFfY1

Hold your +duck key when running, this will change the skulk's movement so it matches that of the other species.

This will give you maximum speed.

Charge

... who cares <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

Forlorn

Just hold down crouch for maximum speed. You can look straight up and hold down crouch and still have top speed. (top running speed, that is)

Paranoia2MB

Should make something that toggles crouch on and off and have a regular crouch key hehe.