A Very Disturbing Trend
DarkATi
Revelation 22:17 Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17532Members, Reinforced - Shadow
Revelation 22:17 Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17532Members, Reinforced - Shadow
<div class="IPBDescription">Everyone Should Read This</div> I recently had to uninstall Steam because of Steam, being Steam. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> When I went to play after I had reinstalled I forgot to change my name back, so as I joined a game I was (1)Player.
While I was playing there were several people who continually called me a nub. Making cracks like, "Don't worry the guy with no name will back you up man. Yeah he's gonna pwn all of you, he has such an awesome name."
Now this I suppose may have been my fault for not changing my name. But quite frankly it is no excuse for you to be an inconsiderate player. I have more fun playing Counter-Strike these days because they don't take their playing so seriously that they alienate new players. (Sure it occurs but it is far worse with NS.)
I think you need to re-read some stickies and announcements about being curtious to new players, because this is downright absurd. I began playing again, (with a name) only to find that these sorts of comments do not stop. "Hey ATi, WTH are you doing you nub?" "I'm kicking the Aliens collective ****, how about you?" This is not about me. Because I laugh these statements off. However, how would someone new to NS feel?
Don't be a ****. No one likes playing with a ****. Unless it's your own ****. Then do that in your own private time. But be considerate of new players.
Cheers,
~ DarkATi
While I was playing there were several people who continually called me a nub. Making cracks like, "Don't worry the guy with no name will back you up man. Yeah he's gonna pwn all of you, he has such an awesome name."
Now this I suppose may have been my fault for not changing my name. But quite frankly it is no excuse for you to be an inconsiderate player. I have more fun playing Counter-Strike these days because they don't take their playing so seriously that they alienate new players. (Sure it occurs but it is far worse with NS.)
I think you need to re-read some stickies and announcements about being curtious to new players, because this is downright absurd. I began playing again, (with a name) only to find that these sorts of comments do not stop. "Hey ATi, WTH are you doing you nub?" "I'm kicking the Aliens collective ****, how about you?" This is not about me. Because I laugh these statements off. However, how would someone new to NS feel?
Don't be a ****. No one likes playing with a ****. Unless it's your own ****. Then do that in your own private time. But be considerate of new players.
Cheers,
~ DarkATi
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From experience I know even the best of servers can harass newbies. My friend once joined COFR during 1.04 and went gorge after two hives, setting up defenses in atmospheric processing on ns_bast. His teammates complained and yelled at him to switch back to skulk. They even called on the admin to slay him. He gestated back as skulk, after hearing his teammates' complaints, only to be slayed by the admin. Soon as he spawned he got slayed again. He immediately left the server after that and nearly shunned the thought of ever playing NS again. He hasn't played since but I hope to reintroduce it to him when 3.0 is released.
This is not a problem with NS but with individuals, and you will always find rude people in any game. Fortunately the steeper than normal learning curve (though small in comparison to many games) has prevented many of the lamers from getting into NS.
If you're playing CS, and you're the last guy left on your team no matter what the odds of you winning were if you die your team usually (stress on usually) tells you "nice try" when you die or at the start of the following round. They don't stress it (again, usually...) and just play.
If you're playing NS there is almost always one or 2 people on the team that CONSTANTLY complain about how lame their team is. Granted sometimes many players are lame, but it's really annoying to be lumped together like that. When they aren't screaming at new players for trying to learn the game they're telling everyone they can't shoot worth **** and need to learn to play the game. Sorry we aren't all "elite" shots who can play all day whenever we like sir...
It's a very disturbing trend to say the least. I think more players should take prozak or something <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> recreational drugs can work wonders on your tension levels.
If you're playing CS, and you're the last guy left on your team no matter what the odds of you winning were if you die your team usually (stress on usually) tells you "nice try" when you die or at the start of the following round. They don't stress it (again, usually...) and just play.
If you're playing NS there is almost always one or 2 people on the team that CONSTANTLY complain about how lame their team is. Granted sometimes many players are lame, but it's really annoying to be lumped together like that. When they aren't screaming at new players for trying to learn the game they're telling everyone they can't shoot worth **** and need to learn to play the game. Sorry we aren't all "elite" shots who can play all day whenever we like sir...
It's a very disturbing trend to say the least. I think more players should take prozak or something <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> recreational drugs can work wonders on your tension levels. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Very interesting perspective. Most people would think the opposite. It could be that the necessary teamwork involved in NS exposes intolerant players. Or it could be that you are finding good CS servers and poor NS servers. I really think this mostly depends on who you are playing with and where. That goes for all online games.
It's funny you should mention this... When I see a veteran on a server, I expect pretty much the same thing I'd expect from an NSPlayer. No cooporation, complaining, no communication.
The only difference is that a veteran can actually kill things.
NS relies on all the team's cooperation, so some big mistakes will make the other players upset. This will make the general community seem mean.
However, both of these largely depend on which server you are at, and what te specific circumstances are.
i think that if more people asked others on a server to be a little less.... enthusiastic about verbalizing frustrations in a non-helpfull way, it could help tone some people down
i dont like it when iv got a third of the kills on a 10 man team and the guy with the second most kills spends most of his time explaining how sub-human the rest of the team is
Or people who don't bother to read server rules in the console, which is probably why Pseudoknight's friend got slayed. Back in the 1.04 days CoFR had a rule that stated you must ask before gorging or be slain. It was plainly evident in the consgreet.
I want to tell you my first experience of NS:
I forget the map (the one with the lift up to the com chair) but
I spawned in and looked arround. I saw buildings and people setting up defences. Teams organising themselves and going out into the map. I saw heavy armour people and even jetpacks. I was well and trully overwhelmed. I was in game heaven (A TEAM GAME AT LAST!!)
Then I realised what the heck do I do now!! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I decided to ask obviously. I said "Hey, I'm new can someone help me. I don't know how you get those guns"......
I got back messeges like "Omg, another one. Go to another damn server now!" and "hahah NSplayer is lost..."
I decided to keep asking until I got an answer....
About 5 mins later (just about to leave) someone said: "you can't buy guns, you are given them by the commander."
I kept asking little questions like whats second fire mode......
I was a true noob. And they told me. But the one guy was helping me get stuck in.
If it wernt for that one guy I wouldnt be playing NS.
I think we all need to remember that it isnt that much trouble to give a bit of advice now is it. And we were all nubs at one point....
I don't want to see NS die out. Its a trully great mod!
It still has plently of potential. Lets help new players!
not insult them and make NS seem so un user friendly.
As well, dont just tell me to switch servers, this stuff is in every server Ive been to, Linuxmonster, HAMPTONS (i guess here, the newbie bashing is justified), tactical-gamer, and a few random servers. The general atmosphere is pretty...bad.
And remember kids, this isnt something Flayra can just patch up. WE are going to have to fix it.
I want to tell you my first experience of NS:
I forget the map (the one with the lift up to the com chair) but
I spawned in and looked arround. I saw buildings and people setting up defences. Teams organising themselves and going out into the map. I saw heavy armour people and even jetpacks. I was well and trully overwhelmed. I was in game heaven (A TEAM GAME AT LAST!!)
Then I realised what the heck do I do now!! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I decided to ask obviously. I said "Hey, I'm new can someone help me. I don't know how you get those guns"......
I got back messeges like "Omg, another one. Go to another damn server now!" and "hahah NSplayer is lost..."
I decided to keep asking until I got an answer....
About 5 mins later (just about to leave) someone said: "you can't buy guns, you are given them by the commander."
I kept asking little questions like whats second fire mode......
I was a true noob. And they told me. But the one guy was helping me get stuck in.
If it wernt for that one guy I wouldnt be playing NS.
I think we all need to remember that it isnt that much trouble to give a bit of advice now is it. And we were all nubs at one point....
I don't want to see NS die out. Its a trully great mod!
It still has plently of potential. Lets help new players!
not insult them and make NS seem so un user friendly. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And this is what my post is all about.
However, I feel this won't reach most of the real problem makers, because they most likely aren't involved here at the forums, however, for those who are reading this, be nice and help, don't hinder.
EDIT* Just read Monkey's post. I understand this will reach some people, I just don't know that it will reach some of the REAL hardcore nub-haters out there. And I completely agree, WE have to change this.
Cheers,
~ DarkATi
I'll do it again, once I run another one.
Rude people are what makes a game unpleasing.
It's hard enough a comm is doing the best he can; however, it's NOT ALL THE COMMS fault. Most of the time, it's the teams fault--not STICKING TOGETHER and taking orders.
Most attention should be taken to how we can make the game more friendly, or to where as they HAVE to take orders or get penilized, or tagged, gagged, etc.
For example, that annoying person who joins the game late, then says, "Your a n00b, get out of the COMM chair. You don't konw what your doing."..etc....What could a comm do? Perhaps, click on him, and click the Gag button that will not allow him to talk or get weapons, or eject teh commander till the end of the game. I know this is difficult to master, but so is balancing--and it's getting better each day. So, there has got to be a way to make a person calm down or they dont get to play on your team. The commander is the leader of the team--he should have control on who stays and who gets gagged for BS. Pershaps a draw straw, or kick--who knows; these are on MODS, but should be added to the game as a default.
The one problem is that a good number of people who know how to play NS will play as a n00b, and purpously ask questions they know the answer to such as "how to build, how to evolve, how to...." etc. It's hard to tell when they are new, or laming. I help everyone who asks, but it can get VERY tiresome.
if ur a noob on the team... say so... and ill help u ALL THE TIME AS MUCH AS I CAN
Even to the point where i will follow ur gorge **** around to show u how to do stuff...
Even to the point i will stand wherever buildings are needed to show u stuff... even to the point ill let u cover my back while i tell u how to do stuff....
I actually find it fun.... and i get a teammate who permanently works with me.. even if he is a nub... he still shoots(bites)... and i do better cuz of it...
HOWEVER..... if you are a nub.... and wont admit it (im not talking inexperienced.. im talking total nub) and comm, gorge.. or totally disobey teammates... ill freaking do everything i can to **** YOU OFF.....
IN CLOSING.. if ur a nub.. admit it and you will get my help.. and many others as a matter of fact (many servers have no problems letting nubs comm as long as u tell them u are.. and LISTEN TO THEM
if ur inexperienced.. for the love of god listen to people/orders/teammates... failure to do so will make it no fun for us... and u wont gain any experience... and me and many others will be a total **** to you because of it...
If ur a vet....(experienced player) remember that there ARE nubs out there... dont scream OMG NUB BAN... ask them if they are a nub... if they are... help them out...
ill never forget my first game when an experienced player taught me not to run after fades..(first game didnt even know it was a fade.. his exact words were something like shoot the dogs they die easier than a human size guy when we have only level 1 weapons...
My first game as comm i had a guy tell me that siege cannons did not damage aliens (only structures) after i had made 3 in base for base defense on hera....
My first game as gorge i remember someone telling me that placing a sensory chamber in the back of the base did no good (1.04... diddnt cloak anything in area(i think i remember manual said it did tho... so i tried it))
In NONE OF THESE INSTANCES... was i yelled at, bitched at, vote kicked...
But also i was honest and said i was a nub....
SO just be nice to real nubs ****... cuz u all know someone was nice and taught u how to play
~Jason
This sounds like a fun idea.. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
IMO, its fine if your a nsplayer, if you've never played the game before.. just don't comm right away, you can't expect to start comming when you first begin.. you must learn the basics of the game first. All I expect from you is to go to your waypoints, I have no problem explaining the game to you (if you will listen), or leading you around the map with waypoints.. Just don't comm.. nsplayer comms <b>who have never played the game before</b> irritate me.. lets drop a 2nd armory two feet away from the other one!
Or people who don't bother to read server rules in the console, which is probably why Pseudoknight's friend got slayed. Back in the 1.04 days CoFR had a rule that stated you must ask before gorging or be slain. It was plainly evident in the consgreet. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
So he missed the text. That happens ALL the time. It happens to ME all the time. He didn't deserve to be yelled at and then slayed TWICE after he went back to skulk.
Team: ...............................
3 minutes later
Trev: OK i took down 2 marines by myself as gorge with no chamber support, there is 3 more building a phase gate I NEED HELP!!!!
Team: ..................................
5 minutes later
Trev: Well i keept the marines at bay, BUT THEIR BUILDING SIEGES!!! SIEGES!!!!
Team: ................
Trev: SIIIIIEEEGEEESS!!! YOU KNOW... THE THING THAT SHOOTS THROUGH WALLS AND MAKES OUR HIVE GO POOF!!!!!!
*hive dies*
Trev: NOOBS, IDIOTS, STUPID RETARDED FOOLS!!!!!
*Trev has left the game*
Yea i noticed a trend as well... it is called not listening to intelligence given out by the most competent team member.
Agreed.
EDIT: Also, not only does it strangle the NS community in the long run, but nothing will empty a server faster than a large group of teamstacking marines or selfish players.
This sounds like a fun idea.. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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You mean... like this?
<img src='http://www.student.cs.uwaterloo.ca/~mcaustin/nsplayer.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
Most people won't alienate people with NSPlayer names as far as I've seen, on my reg server (ArsClan) people often switch to the team with the newbie so they can use voice to show them the ropes. I've gone pubbing on random servers under the name NSPlayer and jumped in the chair, people were a little hazy at first but after 5 minutes they were confident in my ability and we won the game.