Aliens Win Most Of The Time

PeteRoy · December 2003

Hey, I'm a new NS player, I have played over 50 games and I like the game.

It seems like the Aliens win like 80 percent of the time, they take all the resources fast, and when the Marines try to get resources the Aliens get there and kill it very fast so after 5 minutes you see Resource 1v7.

I tried playing Aliens and it seem to be a lot easier to defend your resource tower, you go Gorge, you build the resource tower, then you build all the Offensive Chambers around it with at least 3 healing defensive chambers and that's it, very hard to kill, you do the same in all resource places and then you go Onos and kill the Marines when they have no minerals left.

I see the game give more power to the Marines but Marines can't do anything without resources so after you took over and secured all the resouces places you just attack the Marines when their handicapped.

Kinda lame.

Soylent_green · December 2003

I allways recommend beginners to play on the alien team because(now, not in earlier versions) they are easier to get a hang of and don't require as much team work. Marines should stick togheter in small groups, alone you are quite weak.

Marines also seem to need fewer resource towers to win.

Right now onos and fade hitboxes are quite bugged(you can't aim anywhere on an onos and hit and the fades head is not hitable). On an onos you have to aim for roughly the pivoting point(where it spins around), this is fixed in the next version(NS 3.0 for steam).

Marines are much less newbie friendly than the aliens so as a result, on servers with lots of new players the aliens win most of the time.

Small teams(IE something like 3 aliens vs 3 marines) favor the aliens, large teams(something like 12 vs 12) favor the marines.

Qwomg · December 2003

If the game is balanced (good plyers in both teams), then marines stand a better chance to win than aliens.

2of12B0RG · December 2003

The person with 1 post says "OMG ALIEN ARE TEH OVARPOWERED!"

Nerf nerf nerf.

Dude, you are obviously playing on a crappy server full of non-cooperative morons.

The servers I play on are full of fairly competent people. We always get a group of nublets most days, but for the most part it's regulars. Marines win, aliens win, it all depends on which team is better and works together more.

BlueNovember · December 2003

Normally I'd flame YOU for juding someone by his post count, (234, PAH! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>) but of course there is some correlation between posts:experience.

Aliens are postively UNDERpowered on clan matches IMHO. As it has been said, experience is everything. A real vet on either team can co-ordinate the group's efforts to make a huge difference, (esp if he is comm.)

I'd recommend playing on a public clan-run server, and joining the rine team there. If there are a load of clan members playing your chances of winning will certainly increase. (Well, Duh.)

The game is very well balanced, but if you still dont like it, wait for NS 3 and NS:C. That's gonna blow your mind. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

HTH

ZombieNinjaDoomLaserBaby · December 2003

well, I believe it's mostly just the people playing, like most are saying right now. If a team blows, it doesn't matter what they are doing. From my expierence, aliens always win becuase it doesn't take as much interaction. Alot of loners will gung-ho it as aliens and not tell anyone else anything. I've played multiple games where my entire screen is blank and I hear no comments, requests for help, or anything from people and it takes a bit out of the game. Marines, you have to respond to your comm and do a ton of work to pull it off. It may be roughly as effective as aliens, but it's a whole lot more fun.

JoltGris · December 2003

I see both teams win equally but then again I am cool

lubberlick · December 2003

If you ask me the Aliens just basically have to do the same thing every game, brute they way through the maps. With marines I have alot more fun especially when commanding because of the massive strategy and coordination required to win. I think what hurts the rines the most is the unbalanced starting res. 10v10 the alienes will get 250 res and the rines will get 100. In every strat game i have ever played early resource management is critical to the overall game.

Dont mind the nub walking through mumbling BS.

Redford · December 2003

Try getting on some of the more professional servers and you'll see how marines can completly wipe the floor with aliens if the marines know what they are doing.

Leetcard2 · December 2003

It's only because most pubs are nubs and can't play as rines. But in battles where both teams have experienced players marines usually wins 60% of the time.
Rines also win more oftenly in larger battles because the amount of players on the rine team doesnt affact their resources.

Ripur · December 2003

Yea i've seen some scary victories with a team of decent shooting marines and an experiance com. it wasn't like with alien skulk rushes, or newb shotgun blitzes, it was 'We control all the res and say when an alien may leave his hive". scary stuff. Marines either need a minor nerfing (the HMG going to 18dmg seems like a great strt) or aliens need some uping in life and attack power.

Bogglesteinsky · December 2003

While aliens don't really need much communication or teamwork to win, it makes it a lot easier. Marines do need teamwork, which you don't often see on pubs, but when you do get it, marines can and do wipe the floor with aliens.

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'> + teamwork > <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'>

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'> < <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'>

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'> +teamwork = <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'> +teamwork

When both teams are working together, it comes down to the individual skill of the players on that team. You may have great teamwork, but if your grunts can't hit the broad side of a bus, you are going to lose.

Wyzcrak · December 2003

It didn't occur to me until I read this post that.. for the most part, our server has a very good balance. Our server is built primarily around teamwork. If you can't/don't communicate with the team, you aren't welcome to stay. Your skill level is irrelevant, and we have all skill levels playing. But teamwork is required. So, you see it on both sides. And because of this, and good talent balance, you see victories often for both the marines and the aliens. Also, the games are mostly very enjoyable.

But then, our server is hardly your average pub.

Wyzcrak

SoulSkorpion · December 2003

With a strong commander and cooperative marines, the marines usually win. In most other cases, aliens win easily. So, yes the game isn't balanced just yet but not in the way you think. Oh, and sorry to be blunt, but observations about one side being more powerful than the other aren't helpful in the slightest; there are fifty million posts on the subject (none of which have any more impact than this one. The playtesting setup is very thorough).

Manawydan · December 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BlueNovember @ Dec 12 2003, 04:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Normally I'd flame YOU for juding someone by his post count, (234, PAH! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>) but of course there is some correlation between posts:experience.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
I'd have to disagree there. It doesn't make a difference if you have 1 post or 10000 posts, you can still be a poor player.

I've played TFC since it came out but have never once posted on any TFC forum or newsgroup because there is far too much ego masturbation and abusive comments for me to even become interested in posting. Doesn't make my experience any less important because I've not joined in on that environment. (In fact, this is the first Half Life mod forum that I've ever posted to over the years)

Yes, this NS community is different, and you can gain a hell of a lot of useful information by reading the posts rather than making any as so many people will actually lend you a hand, write up even the basic of FAQ's and guide those who need the help. However, you can get *all* of this without making a single post.

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BlueNovember @ Dec 12 2003, 04:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Aliens are postively UNDERpowered on clan matches IMHO. As it has been said, experience is everything. A real vet on either team can co-ordinate the group's efforts to make a huge difference, (esp if he is comm.)

I'd recommend playing on a public clan-run server, and joining the rine team there. If there are a load of clan members playing your chances of winning will certainly increase. (Well, Duh.) </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Experience is the major factor when you have a clan, and you practice, practice, practice, then you *are* going to be better as you will get to know what someone will do in a lot of situations. However, all that experience is worth zip when you have a clan member who decides to do his own thing. Experience isn't everything though as, on a public server, it can really come together when a group of strangers all work as one.

Funnily enough, from what I've seen, the two major reasons why new folk don't work with the rest of the team are:
<ul>
<li>They don't understand the importance of teamwork within NS (either they've come from another mod/game which relies more on individual scores than teamwork or they are just new to this sort of gaming)
<li>Experienced players abuse the new player just because he/she is new and isn't conforming to the experienced players rules (to be honest, even the term n00b is kind of insulting). When you get this, it can spoil the whole game (and yes, it is a game... though you wouldn't think it with some of the comments you see on the servers *sigh*).
</ul>
I observed a few matches first, then got a bot and played against that. This made me a better player from the start but other folk do jump in at the deep end and try their best - and that's the important bit... they try their best! If I was flamed for something I did, I would see how the team worked and adjust to that. If the flamer was being an idiot, I'd ignore it and make sure I was working with the team (but, then again, I've got a thicker skin than most - 10 years on Usenet has done that *grin*).

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BlueNovember @ Dec 12 2003, 04:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>The game is very well balanced, but if you still dont like it, wait for NS 3 and NS:C. That's gonna blow your mind. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
I'm looking forward to playing it!

Cold_NiTe · December 2003

Very insightful post Manawydan, I hope you enjoy your stay on the forums.

Oh and depending on the size of the server for me. In pubs it tends to be that if the game is a smaller one, then the aliens will win. IF the game is a large one, then the res system breaks down and aliens get Res <b>really</b> slowly and the marines tend to cut them to ribbons. But that is just from personal experience. It may vary where you guys play.

ZombieNinjaDoomLaserBaby · December 2003

Well, situations like this are hard to say. Becuase I've seen someone say "aliens always win" and then someone say "marines always win" in two games that are back to back. It's strange.

Aliens Win Most Of The Time

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