Ufo's, Aliens, And All That Shizz...
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"War is the science of destruction" - John Abbot Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17590Members
"War is the science of destruction" - John Abbot Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17590Members
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<div class="IPBDescription">think it could all be real?</div> I could, and i think if aliens DO land that they would probably be at first, just studying us and stuff. Then they would turn Hostile, because they would want our Resources and stuff.
IM just waiting for that day when i turn on CNN when i get home from school and see a UFO on my screen <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
Im PARANOID! <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo-->
Now i wont be able to sleep cause i'll have bad dreams and stuff!
Someone read me a story plz?!? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
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IM just waiting for that day when i turn on CNN when i get home from school and see a UFO on my screen <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
Im PARANOID! <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo-->
Now i wont be able to sleep cause i'll have bad dreams and stuff!
Someone read me a story plz?!? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Post your thought here <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'><!--endemo-->
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Hmmm, I don't know...I really don't... I mean, if the universe is so vast and the possibility of alien lifeforms so great, why haven't they contacted us, yet? Maybe its because no alien civilization has prospered to a point where such contact is vaible, due to some astroid colision, and etc...
I think in the end, if aliens that is have come to our home world, they will be friendly, because, like they say, it wouldn't make sense for some aliens to travel 6 billion light years to kick our arse. But it is also possible for such "evil" aliens to exist-aliens bound on a resource path of destruction.
If you are really interested in this type of stuff, and I know you are <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> , read science fiction books pertaining to the subject. I would highly suggest the Rama series by Mr.Clarke, and many other stuff. Yes, aliens are very interesting, but try not to think about the subject too much.
Space is soooooooooooooooooooooo vast, and so big, we cant even imagine it.
Im sure the vastness of space negates the low probability of there being other life out there.
As for why havnt they come to contact us, perhaps they are so far away they dont even know we are here, perhaps their radio signals have yey to reach us?
Everyone in movies and books always tells of and asks for when the aliens will contact us or come to us. blablabla
Has anyone ever considered that WE might be more advanced/evoloved then another race out there, perhaps in the future WE humans will make first contact with THEM. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'><!--endemo--> Hello Mr.huge unknown life form! my Name is Davis! I come from the planet earth in the MilkyWay Galaxy! We come in Peace!
<!--emo&::fade::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/fade.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='fade.gif'><!--endemo--> Har he looks tasty. <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> rawr!
<!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'><!--endemo--> !!!
I wonder what you're trying to connect to...
I'm thinking due to Space being so vast, there's other life out there. And I don't like when people say "Why haven't they contacted us yet?" Why would they be advanced life? They could be like Humans. We're intelligent but we haven't really done anything but go to the moon and send stuff places. And why would they look for us?
Me, I definitely believe that there simply has to be some kind of life out there, because space is just so fkn huge. It would be selfish to think we're the only ones here.
As for humans being the most advanced civilization there is... well, it'd be damn cool to be the 'ancient race', although I wouldn't live to see the day when we actually were at that position (hell, I most likely won't even live to see the colonization of Mars, and that just pisses me off).
And in all seriousness, if aliens WERE visiting us, i think they'd do a bit more than mutilate cows and kidnap people. I mean, they've travelled billions of miles to get to us, and they act like little kids in a candy shop? Come on. If i was in their place, i'd be down here talking to me (because i'm obviously the best example of a human being.... *cough*) and learning how to "Keep it real".
*Plays X-files theme tune*
Teh troof iz out there!!!11one
Has anyone considered that maybe these aliens have advanced to a level of technology where it WOULD be economically feasable to come billions of miles to kick our arses?
But anyway I still think it's pretty unlikely that anyone <b>would</b> come so far just to kill us.
To cut it short, and to prevent a 5 page ramble, yes I would <b>like</b> to believe aliens exist, but have yet to see any convincing evidence that they do.
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I doubt we can understand anything that's out there.
Our knowledge is limited by our experiences.
There might be something else than time and space.
And besides i HIGHLY doubt earth is gonna survive for the time that aliens will be seen.
Exploring space takes too long and all our resources will be depleted by then.
We're pretty pathetic, instead of using all our crap on killing other countries and making nukes why not put it in something useful such as spaceships.
I have thought about some things.
Well, this might be a stupid thought, but if you look at for example an ant colony or even lower lifeforms. They seem oblivious to us. They don't seem to realise that we are there. Maybe it could be something similar, but we are the ants...?
All the people saying that space is soo huge, what has that got to do with it?
The chances of life appearing on a planet such as earth, let alone the chances of a planet such as earth are so impossibly small, space would have to be almost infinitely big to get even the remotest chance of life appearing in another part of it, and then it would have to be close for contact to be made, ie, in our own galaxy. Outside of our galaxy, communication (and therefore proof of existance) would be virtually impossible. The nearest galaxy (the Andromeda spiral) is 2.2 million light years away. unless faster than light travel was invented (which is impossible) a simple converstation - "Hello, how are you?" "I'm fine thanks. You?" "I'm good." would take 7.2 million years. Not going to happen. So, this means that if we were going to prove that life exists, it would have to be in our own galaxy, even then, if there was life on our nearest star, the conversation would take 12 years.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean you may think it is a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Douglas Adams - HGTTG
Despite the size of space, the chances of life appearing are very very small indeed.
<ul>
<li>If gravity was altered by 1 part in 10^40, slightly stronger or weaker, stars like the sun would not exist, nor would any form of life that depends on solary type stars for its sustenance
<li>If the nuclear ofeces in the atoms were even slightly weaker, atoms with more than 1 proton would not exist, so the whole universe would be made out of hydrogen. ~If it had been any stronger, the hydrogen would have been immediately converted to helium, and there would be no stars.
<li>If the ratio of weights of the proton and electron (a proton is 1,836 (one thousand, eight hundred and thirty-six) times more massive) was much different, the molucules required for life would not be formed.
<li>"If the rate of expansion after the big bang had been smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the universe would have recollapsed before it ever reached its present size." - Stephen Hawking
<li>If the carbon resonance was only 4% lower, there woukd be no carbon atoms.
<li>If the oxygen resonance level only 0.5% higher, all the carbon would be "scoured out", leaving none left for combine with helium to produce oxygen.
<li>Apart from pluto, our moon is abmormally big, and coupled with the earth being tilted at 23.45 degrees, allow oceanic tides, and therefore life to exist.
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And you say we are "lucky" to be here. Its a ******' miracle.
(NB: by this, I am not trying to turn this into a disucssion about creation, I am just pointing out the "fine tuning" that the universe need's to exist.)
All the people saying that space is soo huge, what has that got to do with it?
The chances of life appearing on a planet such as earth, let alone the chances of a planet such as earth are so impossibly small, space would have to be almost infinitely big to get even the remotest chance of life appearing in another part of it, and then it would have to be close for contact to be made, ie, in our own galaxy. Outside of our galaxy, communication (and therefore proof of existance) would be virtually impossible. The nearest galaxy (the Andromeda spiral) is 2.2 million light years away. unless faster than light travel was invented (which is impossible) a simple converstation - "Hello, how are you?" "I'm fine thanks. You?" "I'm good." would take 7.2 million years. Not going to happen. So, this means that if we were going to prove that life exists, it would have to be in our own galaxy, even then, if there was life on our nearest star, the conversation would take 12 years.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean you may think it is a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Douglas Adams - HGTTG
Despite the size of space, the chances of life appearing are very very small indeed.
<ul>
<li>If gravity was altered by 1 part in 10^40, slightly stronger or weaker, stars like the sun would not exist, nor would any form of life that depends on solary type stars for its sustenance
<li>If the nuclear ofeces in the atoms were even slightly weaker, atoms with more than 1 proton would not exist, so the whole universe would be made out of hydrogen. ~If it had been any stronger, the hydrogen would have been immediately converted to helium, and there would be no stars.
<li>If the ratio of weights of the proton and electron (a proton is 1,836 (one thousand, eight hundred and thirty-six) times more massive) was much different, the molucules required for life would not be formed.
<li>"If the rate of expansion after the big bang had been smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the universe would have recollapsed before it ever reached its present size." - Stephen Hawking
<li>If the carbon resonance was only 4% lower, there woukd be no carbon atoms.
<li>If the oxygen resonance level only 0.5% higher, all the carbon would be "scoured out", leaving none left for combine with helium to produce oxygen.
<li>Apart from pluto, our moon is abmormally big, and coupled with the earth being tilted at 23.45 degrees, allow oceanic tides, and therefore life to exist.
</ul>
And you say we are "lucky" to be here. Its a ******' miracle.
(NB: by this, I am not trying to turn this into a disucssion about creation, I am just pointing out the "fine tuning" that the universe need's to exist.) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The chances of life appearing on a planet such as earth, let alone the chances of a planet such as earth are so impossibly small, space would have to be almost infinitely big to get even the remotest chance of life appearing in another part of it, and then it would have to be close for contact to be made, ie, in our own galaxy. Outside of our galaxy, communication (and therefore proof of existance) would be virtually impossible. The nearest galaxy (the Andromeda spiral) is 2.2 million light years away. unless faster than light travel was invented (which is impossible) a simple converstation - "Hello, how are you?" "I'm fine thanks. You?" "I'm good." would take 7.2 million years. Not going to happen. So, this means that if we were going to prove that life exists, it would have to be in our own galaxy, even then, if there was life on our nearest star, the conversation would take 12 years.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You are throwing facts around that might not be true for other 'lifeforms'
Who says there is anything like communication or distance.
Planets, Galaxy's whatever might even be some cookies in some cookiejar called universe. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
yes, the fact that they cannot communicate with us becasue of sheer distance does not mean that they do not exist, but until they do, anything is pure speculation.
Also, just a brief bit of information. Some scientists believe that "The Common Cold" is, in fact, an alien virus. They base this on the fact that we simply cannot adapt to the damn thing, and it keeps on changing forms, yet remains the same virus, I.E, we adapt to one strain of it, then get infected by another strain, yet it's effects are identical. The strongest possible source for this would be a HUGE asteroid hitting mars, shattering a bit of it off, and knocking it into earth.
Of course, that is highly unlikely. I'm not saying i believe it or not (after all, we can't adapt to AIDS either), but it makes sense in a strange way.
Anyway, back to that moon thing. Most of the oceans are covered by ice crusts, so basic probes cannot actually see into the ocean (which are thought to be thousands of times deeper than Earth's). What lies beneath it? Huge whale like creatures? Tiny plant like lifeforms that attach to the bottom of the seabed?
Also, a strong argument that people raise is this: "Life cannot exist without sunlight". While many schools teach this, it has recently been found to be untrue; life forms have been found living extremely deep in the Earth's oceans, far beyond where light can reach. They live on the heat given off by underwater "vents" from the planets core. A tiny ecosystem has sprung up down there, with plant-like things as the producers, but getting their energy from the heat of the planet, not the sun. Since it is thought that most planets have a molten core, why can't this life exist elsewhere?
For humans that may be so but i don't think you can even begin to imagine what's out there.
Maybe aliens travel by mind?
I honestly don't want to know, freaks me out <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'><!--endemo-->
Just deal with it, if aliens come i assume they will look similar to us.
For humans that may be so but i don't think you can even begin to imagine what's out there.
Maybe aliens travel by mind?
I honestly don't want to know, freaks me out <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
There is most definitely such a thing as true. I am male. That is <u>true</u>
The facts I listed do not just apply to humans, they apply to the whole universe (apart from the tides one)
Aliens travelling by mind? it doesn't matter. however they travel, they cannot go faster than the speed of light. To visit us, they would have to physically come over here, they cannot just imagine it.
But, like I said, pure speculation.
I don't know the exact physics of it, but there's one way that involves "bending" space.... sounds far fetched i know, but apparantly, it is possible to pull space from in front of an object, and put it behind the object, effectively relocating the object without actually moving it. I know this sounds incredibly far fetched and improbable, but apparantly it *is* possible, just not feasible with current technology ( i don't think the right power source exists yet).
Then there are, of course, things such as wormholes. Scientists believe that there may be wormholes out there, but where they lead to, no one knows.
There are loads of ways to travel immense distances, and there's probably a really simple way that we haven't found yet (like cutting a hole into another form of space where our laws of physics don't apply).
I don't think aliens are visiting us now, though. And if they ever do find us (or if we find them), will they WANT to be with us? Humans, as a whole, cannot stand up proudly and say "We are a good race".
Everything stated so far is based around our current level science as WE know it,
not too long ago people utterly believed that everything reovolved around the earth.
Revolve around the sun?!? OMG are you crazy!
Even longer ago. Man can make a flying machine? Impossbile! And even if he could, go faster then the speed it takes words to come from my mouth you your ear? Perposterous!
Atoms what are they? You cant see them do they even exist? And how can you Split something you cant even see? You are crazy, you re wrong!
Sail around the world? Nonsence you will fall off the end!
Im sure our desencents in our own future will look back on things we accept to be true today and laugh at our stupidity and short sightedness.
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What the hell were those things hovering above Phoenix in 1997? There were a bunch of lights just sitting there, and thousands of people saw em. The military didnt even know what they were!
Of course then you have the thousands of sightings...ofcourse some of them are prob lies and all, but some of them have to be true... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
AND they could have already decoded a large part of our language, orat least some of it...radio waves from the 1920's could be pickd up in space, there traveling further and further away. I think its the same for T.V. singnals, so why couldnt the aliens decode it from the radio signals? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
Everything stated so far is based around our current level science as WE know it,
not too long ago people utterly believed that everything reovolved around the earth.
Revolve around the sun?!? OMG are you crazy!
Even longer ago. Man can make a flying machine? Impossbile! And even if he could, go faster then the speed it takes words to come from my mouth you your ear? Perposterous!
Atoms what are they? You cant see them do they even exist? And how can you Split something you cant even see? You are crazy, you re wrong!
Sail around the world? Nonsence you will fall off the end!
Im sure our desencents in our own future will look back on things we accept to be true today and laugh at our stupidity and short sightedness.
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While all that is true, there's nothing we can do about it other than make predictions based on what we have.
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I find it hard to believe anything Stephen Hawkings says, he states that time began AFTER the big bang, AFTER the creation of the universe, there must have been a passage of time from there being nothing to the big bang to the universe. How something this fundamentally obvious hasn't struck his 4000IQ is beyond my puny intellectual capabilities of course.
Event Horizon any one?
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hahahahaha, yea dont goto sleep cause in the middle of the night youll get kidnapped, wake up in a white room with a bunch of "things" with huge almond shaped heads with big black beady eyes with thier probing machine
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If gravity was altered by 1 part in 10^40, slightly stronger or weaker, stars like the sun would not exist, nor would any form of life that depends on solary type stars for its sustenance<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't know exactly what you're saying here, but you're saying that if the fundamental LAWS of gravity were different? This point is rather moot because you need to learn what a LAW is. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If the nuclear ofeces in the atoms were even slightly weaker, atoms with more than 1 proton would not exist, so the whole universe would be made out of hydrogen. ~If it had been any stronger, the hydrogen would have been immediately converted to helium, and there would be no stars.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not true. Helium, even though it's a noble gas, is quite capable of being fused into Carbon. The only difference would be many more 'cold stars': Massive solid chunks of congealed helium that aren't dense enough to bring the core temperature high enough to begin fusion, and stars would brun out 2x faster.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If the ratio of weights of the proton and electron (a proton is 1,836 (one thousand, eight hundred and thirty-six) times more massive) was much different, the molucules required for life would not be formed.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think the key is life AS WE KNOW IT. These 'mind boggling facts' like this and that law of gravity being different are rather silly to me.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"If the rate of expansion after the big bang had been smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the universe would have recollapsed before it ever reached its present size." - Stephen Hawking<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And it would've rexploded sometime later then. Christ Stevie you said yourself we're in for the Big Crunch.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If the carbon resonance was only 4% lower, there woukd be no carbon atoms.
If the oxygen resonance level only 0.5% higher, all the carbon would be "scoured out", leaving none left for combine with helium to produce oxygen.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
More silly obscure 'facts'... gee did you know that if the earth was only a fraction of a light year away from the sun WE'D ALL DIE! OMG F4! Sheesh...
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Apart from pluto, our moon is abmormally big, and coupled with the earth being tilted at 23.45 degrees, allow oceanic tides, and therefore life to exist.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Do tell what oceanic tides have to do with life?