<!--QuoteBegin--DralTheImpaler+Jan 11 2004, 10:08 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DralTheImpaler @ Jan 11 2004, 10:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> bah i have to go onii because
thats what i was told and i think thats how it is in the fronteirsman manual? (correct me?) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The manual says onos for both plural and singular form.
I personally go by the manual, other than the fact that Flayra has used the word oni, theres not much going for that word.
However, seeing how evenly split the votes were, I say both should be acceptable plural forms of onos.
<!--QuoteBegin--Cypher---GorgeLover+Jan 11 2004, 03:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cypher---GorgeLover @ Jan 11 2004, 03:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well the two biggest points seem to be Oni sounds cooler and Onos is more gramatically correct... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The problem is, which ever word sounds 'cooler' is purely based on opinion. As well, English conventions call for a word that is neither onos or oni to represent multiple onos. So both major points for both words are invalid.
Meh, IF Onos was a Greek word it would be Oni IF it were an English word it would be Onosses IF it were American it would be OMFGGETOUTOFTHEWAYNESSESI
I support Oni btw, makes most sense <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Umbraed Monkey+Jan 11 2004, 03:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Umbraed Monkey @ Jan 11 2004, 03:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Cypher---GorgeLover+Jan 11 2004, 03:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cypher---GorgeLover @ Jan 11 2004, 03:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well the two biggest points seem to be Oni sounds cooler and Onos is more gramatically correct... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The problem is, which ever word sounds 'cooler' is purely based on opinion. As well, English conventions call for a word that is neither onos or oni to represent multiple onos. So both major points for both words are invalid. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> alright then. It's based on opinion...I don't really care, most people think oni sounds cooler than onos. And in the grammar section...There is no basis in any language whatsoever to have any reason to call a plural onos "oni." The only one would be the japanese demon thing, which doesnt deal with the grammatical structure, just the fact that in another language it actually means something. Onos on the other hand actually has a basis on why it is called onos...A majority of words that stay the same both singular and plural end in something like an "s"...For instance cheese, geese, or fish. It's natural to have onos plural as onos.
<!--QuoteBegin--Cypher---GorgeLover+Jan 11 2004, 05:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cypher---GorgeLover @ Jan 11 2004, 05:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> most people think oni sounds cooler than onos. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The poll disagrees with you ;p
I guess you are sorta right on the grammer thing. Onos has a remote chance of following normal english conventions, while Oni doesnt even have that.
Generally Oni means demon, and well, since the Onos was actually one heck of a demon back in 1.04, it should keep the word Oni in it <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Too bad it was hit with teh narf bat in 2.0.....a bit <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A majority of words that stay the same both singular and plural end in something like an "s"...For instance cheese, <b>geese</b>, or fish. It's natural to have onos plural as onos. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Why do people keep using "geese" as an example? It is one goose, multiple geese. And none of those examples end in 's' like the word onos does.
<!--QuoteBegin--RaVe+Jan 11 2004, 10:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RaVe @ Jan 11 2004, 10:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Generally Oni means demon, and well, since the Onos was actually one heck of a demon back in 1.04, it should keep the word Oni in it <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Too bad it was hit with teh narf bat in 2.0.....a bit <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
And Oni leads the poll! WHEE!! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Onos is neither Japanese, nor is anything remotely close to being demonic.
Should just make the singular be Ono and the Plural Onos.
<!--QuoteBegin--RaVe+Jan 11 2004, 05:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RaVe @ Jan 11 2004, 05:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Generally Oni means demon, and well, since the Onos was actually one heck of a demon back in 1.04, it should keep the word Oni in it <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Too bad it was hit with teh narf bat in 2.0.....a bit <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
And Oni leads the poll! WHEE!! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Oni means demon in japanese, not english. And nothing about the onos is slightly demonic. Demons are not known to gore, paralyse people with its hair, charge, or scream to make things work faster. As well, its appearance is much different than that of a demon.
Seriously, the onos = oni = demon arguement is ...poor. Stick with " 'cuz Flayra said it", at least thats true and comes from a good source.
and to think 30 pages all from one question that hardly relates to Balance issues and hasnt degraded into constellation members and veterans arguing. That amazes me.
<!--QuoteBegin--i'm lost+Jan 11 2004, 05:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (i'm lost @ Jan 11 2004, 05:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A majority of words that stay the same both singular and plural end in something like an "s"...For instance cheese, <b>geese</b>, or fish. It's natural to have onos plural as onos. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Why do people keep using "geese" as an example? It is one goose, multiple geese. And none of those examples end in 's' like the word onos does. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> woops...that was an accident...heh
<!--QuoteBegin--Umbraed Monkey+Jan 11 2004, 06:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Umbraed Monkey @ Jan 11 2004, 06:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Demons are not known to gore, paralyse people with its hair, charge, or scream to make things work faster. As well, its appearance is much different than that of a demon.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Right, and you would know what demons, which, among what you stated, are also known to not <b>exist</b>, are like?
<!--QuoteBegin--DralTheImpaler+Jan 11 2004, 11:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DralTheImpaler @ Jan 11 2004, 11:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> it can be grammatically correct
the correct plural of octopus is octopi <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> sigh...this was already explained...nevermind Im not gonna do it again
<!--QuoteBegin--Cypher---GorgeLover+Jan 11 2004, 08:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cypher---GorgeLover @ Jan 11 2004, 08:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--DralTheImpaler+Jan 11 2004, 11:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DralTheImpaler @ Jan 11 2004, 11:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> it can be grammatically correct
the correct plural of octopus is octopi <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> sigh...this was already explained...nevermind Im not gonna do it again <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> So I will. Octopus ends in 'us', not 'os'. A better example is rhinoceros. That was already explained to death, so if you want to see it find it somewhere between page 10 and 20 (I think).
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Gramatically, both Oni and Onos is wrong - simply by the fact that one rhinoceros is not many rhinoceri in plural, it is rhinoceroses. Therefore, Onoses would be the gramatically-correct answer. So forget grammar in this discussion.
<!--QuoteBegin--Sarisel+Jan 12 2004, 08:24 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sarisel @ Jan 12 2004, 08:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Gramatically, both Oni and Onos is wrong - simply by the fact that one rhinoceros is not many rhinoceri in plural, it is rhinoceroses. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Surely you mean that according to the <i>precedent</i> set by "rhinoceroses" Onoses is the correct form.
Sadly I don't suppose there is strictly speaking one answer that is more gramatically correct than the other, not least thanks to there being multiple "schools" of grammar one can subscribe to.
In my esteemed opinion, when Flayra said "Look out for the onos!", he meant "Look out for the onos (or onoses)!". So get voting people. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> no, Flayra has actully said oni, check the 2.0 pics thread for the quote <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If You Saw More Then One Onos... "Look out for the Onos!" [ 395 ] [50.06%] "Look out for the Oni!" [ 394 ] [49.94%]
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thats what i was told
and i think thats how it is in the fronteirsman manual? (correct me?) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The manual says onos for both plural and singular form.
I personally go by the manual, other than the fact that Flayra has used the word oni, theres not much going for that word.
However, seeing how evenly split the votes were, I say both should be acceptable plural forms of onos.
The problem is, which ever word sounds 'cooler' is purely based on opinion. As well, English conventions call for a word that is neither onos or oni to represent multiple onos. So both major points for both words are invalid.
IT'S RIGGED I TELL YOU, RIGGED! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Meh, IF Onos was a Greek word it would be Oni
IF it were an English word it would be Onosses
IF it were American it would be OMFGGETOUTOFTHEWAYNESSESI
I support Oni btw, makes most sense <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
The problem is, which ever word sounds 'cooler' is purely based on opinion. As well, English conventions call for a word that is neither onos or oni to represent multiple onos. So both major points for both words are invalid. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
alright then. It's based on opinion...I don't really care, most people think oni sounds cooler than onos. And in the grammar section...There is no basis in any language whatsoever to have any reason to call a plural onos "oni." The only one would be the japanese demon thing, which doesnt deal with the grammatical structure, just the fact that in another language it actually means something. Onos on the other hand actually has a basis on why it is called onos...A majority of words that stay the same both singular and plural end in something like an "s"...For instance cheese, geese, or fish. It's natural to have onos plural as onos.
The poll disagrees with you ;p
I guess you are sorta right on the grammer thing. Onos has a remote chance of following normal english conventions, while Oni doesnt even have that.
meh, both are wrong.
Too bad it was hit with teh narf bat in 2.0.....a bit <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
And Oni leads the poll! WHEE!!
Why do people keep using "geese" as an example? It is one goose, multiple geese. And none of those examples end in 's' like the word onos does.
Too bad it was hit with teh narf bat in 2.0.....a bit <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
And Oni leads the poll! WHEE!! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Onos is neither Japanese, nor is anything remotely close to being demonic.
Should just make the singular be Ono and the Plural Onos.
<b>OMG MORE CONTROVERSY :O</b>
Too bad it was hit with teh narf bat in 2.0.....a bit <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
And Oni leads the poll! WHEE!! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oni means demon in japanese, not english. And nothing about the onos is slightly demonic. Demons are not known to gore, paralyse people with its hair, charge, or scream to make things work faster. As well, its appearance is much different than that of a demon.
Seriously, the onos = oni = demon arguement is ...poor. Stick with " 'cuz Flayra said it", at least thats true and comes from a good source.
Not with words like "Rhinoceros" and one of it's plurals, "Rhinoceri" floating about.
<i>The plural of Onos is ambiguous! Make your choice and be done mincing with the grammatical correctness of the darn word!</i>
Or possibly Oni.
And anyone wanting to go mad about plurals should possibly look up virus, and note the plural is <b>not</b> actually virii.
(N.B Anyone quoting from an American dictionary will be shot, as you can't spell colour either.)
Why do people keep using "geese" as an example? It is one goose, multiple geese. And none of those examples end in 's' like the word onos does. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
woops...that was an accident...heh
the correct plural of octopus is octopi
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Right, and you would know what demons, which, among what you stated, are also known to not <b>exist</b>, are like?
the correct plural of octopus is octopi <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
sigh...this was already explained...nevermind Im not gonna do it again
the correct plural of octopus is octopi <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
sigh...this was already explained...nevermind Im not gonna do it again <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
So I will. Octopus ends in 'us', not 'os'. A better example is rhinoceros. That was already explained to death, so if you want to see it find it somewhere between page 10 and 20 (I think).
Lets just say that the jury is still out having chinese food over this issue...
Surely you mean that according to the <i>precedent</i> set by "rhinoceroses" Onoses is the correct form.
Sadly I don't suppose there is strictly speaking one answer that is more gramatically correct than the other, not least thanks to there being multiple "schools" of grammar one can subscribe to.
In my esteemed opinion, when Flayra said "Look out for the onos!", he meant "Look out for the onos (or onoses)!". So get voting people. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
no, Flayra has actully said oni, check the 2.0 pics thread for the quote <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If You Saw More Then One Onos...
"Look out for the Onos!" [ 395 ] [50.06%]
"Look out for the Oni!" [ 394 ] [49.94%]
Onos = winnar
english grammar is flawed because no matter what theres always a contradiction