Suspicious...

Scottish_Woad_Raider1

<div class="IPBDescription">Heavy machine gun looks... "familiar"</div>Ok, I was looking at the screenies of the weapons and the Heavy Machine Gun looks suspiciously familiar...
*COUGH* OICW from SoF2 *COUGH*

BathroomMonkey

Sigh.  It's not the OICW from SoF2.  It's the OICW from Heckler & Kotch.  And I ripped it off <b>WELL BEFORE</b> SoF2 came out.

Also, I've stated in one public interview and about a dozen threads that it owes a lot of its look to the H&K OICW.  I've made no efforts to keep its influences a secret.

Also, there were several threads about how I was changing it because I was <i>uncomfortable</i> with how much it resembled the H&K OICW.

So, *COUGH* DO BETTER RESEARCH BEFORE YOU TOSS OUT ACCUSATIONS, SHERLOCK *COUGH*



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Greedo

Rock!

RhoadsToNowhere

BathroomMonkey wins.

FATALITY.

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:edit:  If you wanna see the way the redesigned HMG looks now, go <a href="http://www.readyroom.org/ns_ingame/rc5_ns_eclipse0032_8x6.jpg" target="_blank">here.</a>



<!--EDIT|RhoadsToNowhere|Sep. 26 2002,17:47-->

MooMoo_the_SnowCow

I like how if one gun looks like another, even if it is not very much like it just alittle, it is automatically just a copy of the one you saw.

HBNayr

OK, I'm no weapons expert.  I don't go around comparing guns, recoil amount, reload times, et cetera.  But look at how much guns have changed in the past 50 years.  The past 100 years.  200 years.  400 years.  Technology has increased, of course, giving us more bullets in a clips, faster rate of fire, and so on, but their design has stayed similar.  I'd like to see some linkage to a picture of the old HMG and the OICW (real or SoF2's), so I can compare.  But however similar they might be, they couldn't be exactly alike.  Monkey has fessed up many a time to his influences, and I think that makes it all the better.  Unless something radical comes along in the next 50 years or so, the weapons I see in screenshots and clips look a lot like what I would expect to see in the future.  Sure, some cosmetic differences, but if a design works, why change it?  Just adapt it to work with new technologies.

Sure, Bathroom Monkey has been influenced by many bits and pieces here and there, but it's not like he's ever tried to hide it.
"The LMG side-load clip looks a lot like the *insert gun name here* from DoD."
"Well, the design of the gun is heavily influenced by the guns from that World War II era.  I always liked the look of side-load clips."

As any respectable artist, Monkey wants to create something original, but, as with any respectable artist, is influenced by what he knows in real life, and with other artists.

Man, I'm using a lot of words to say nothing at all.

-Ryan!


When a man steals your wife, there is no better revenge than to let him keep her.
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QUAD

*COUGH* first of, I'm GLAD Bathroom monkey finally stood up for himself like that. I know I wouldn't be able to hear "whaaaa! whaaa! HMG is OIWC! LMG scope doestn werk? wtf is wrong with j00?" as much as he does. Secondly, Its only logica lthat future technology eveolves from current technology, thats how the world works. Thirdly, I'd like to see Scottish come up with a better weapon design, thne he can complain. Finallly, I think some action should start to be taken against people who constantly post like this. It bothers me how since the dev team is so perfect people try to fin mini, mudane details they can complain about. Remember: the dev team owes you nothing, they're doing this on THEIR time for YOU. And I think Scottish has been warned about stuff like this before. *COUGH*

Legionnaired

<!--QuoteBegin--BathroomMonkey+Sep. 26 2002,17:38--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (BathroomMonkey @ Sep. 26 2002,17:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Sigh.  It's not the OICW from SoF2.  It's the OICW from Heckler & Kotch.  And I ripped it off <b>WELL BEFORE</b> SoF2 came out.

Also, I've stated in one public interview and about a dozen threads that it owes a lot of its look to the H&K OICW.  I've made no efforts to keep its influences a secret.

Also, there were several threads about how I was changing it because I was <i>uncomfortable</i> with how much it resembled the H&K OICW.

So, *COUGH* DO BETTER RESEARCH BEFORE YOU TOSS OUT ACCUSATIONS, SHERLOCK *COUGH*<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
*COUGH* Owned <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo--> *cough*

BTW, HMG: <img src="http://www.readyroom.org/ns_models/hmg_concept_8x6.jpg" border="0">

OICW Attached.

Really, the only real similarites are a stocky bullpup dsign, with what looks like 2 barrels...

And I thought i saw a pic to go with one of the heavy armor renders, with the HMG looking a little more M60-ish than OICW-ish.

Legionnaired

Here's the OICW
<img src="http://www.theplatoon.com/game/Guns/oicw.jpg" border="0">

BathroomMonkey

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And here's some more food for thought:

BathroomMonkey

Huh.  Some of the coolest sci-fi weapons ever frigging made
were more or less Frankenstein-esque constructions of EXISTING weapons.  Imagine that!



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MooMoo_the_SnowCow

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humbaba

Monkey hate clean, so it goes. Monkey also hate people saying he copied stuff from other stuf.
All art is inspired from one thing or another. The mona lisa is not a "copy" of some other portrait, because it has some similarities. I am getting prtty tired of watching Bathroom Monkey have to defend himself. He is easily one of, if not the most, accomplished weapons modeler in this Mod Community, and possibly over a large area (though this Mod community is basically the only little corner of Games I'm involved in).

QUAD

And he loves us....

errr...

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MonsieurEvil

Pwned.