Server Abuse

PanzergeistPanzergeist Join Date: 2002-02-27 Member: 256Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Clans breaking their own rules</div> I just got out of a series of games of a server owned by a clan which I won't name, and I'm **** off. First I was on the team that the clan was stacking, and they spent the whole game insulting the people on the team who hadn't played the map before. Apparently I'm a retard for not knowing about a map bug on a map I've never played. The next game, I played as aliens while they stacked marines, and when half the people on my team asked them to enforce the no res whoring rule on a pair of teammates who refused to gorge, they ignored us. One of those players ended the game with around 90 res, even though we had never gotten a 2nd hive. The next game, more res whoring, plus we get outnumbered, at some points by as much as 11 to 6, just barely enough for us to not forfeit the game. Then, to even the teams, one of the clan members came to our side and started attacking our one hive. Conveniently, friendly fire was on. Then the clan started insulting our team for getting our **** kicked so bad. Why is it that clans think it's okay to selectively enforce their server rules like this? Why do people put up with it?

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  • UndeathUndeath Join Date: 2003-03-19 Member: 14696Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Panzergeist+Jan 12 2004, 08:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Panzergeist @ Jan 12 2004, 08:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Why do people put up with it?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    A: It's their server, their rules. They can enforce them however they like.

    B: They only have the power on their server. If you don't like the atmosphere, do what anyone else would do, play somewhere else.
  • ZiGGYZiGGY Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12479Members
    our survey says: *lock*
  • AhnteisAhnteis teh Bob Join Date: 2002-10-02 Member: 1405Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    That's the kind of server you TRY to get banned from so that you don't make the mistake of joining a game there again.
  • th0r0nth0r0n Born again n00b Join Date: 2003-06-12 Member: 17313Members
    I dont see why people say its up to the server owners, in some respects it is, in other it's not.

    Theyre running someone elses software, and for a first time nser the time spent in that server will go towards their first impressions of the game, which then reflect directly on Flayra.
  • lljkWhimsylljkWhimsy Join Date: 2003-04-25 Member: 15829Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--th0r0n^+Jan 12 2004, 04:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (th0r0n^ @ Jan 12 2004, 04:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I dont see why people say its up to the server owners, in some respects it is, in other it's not.

    Theyre running someone elses software, and for a first time nser the time spent in that server will go towards their first impressions of the game, which then reflect directly on Flayra. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I have to agree, but only to a point. I havn't played CS in about a year, because the community is mainly made up of morons. I don't judge the dev team based on the majority of the players, and I respect them for getting where they are.

    That said...
    The number of servers is still fairly low, and it will be vital to the success of NS. This is why bashing servers is generally frowned upon, dispite how... Intolerable they may come across. The Steam community is even smaller, but overall, I find it far more tight-knit.
  • BigDBigD [OldF] Join Date: 2002-10-25 Member: 1596Members
    edited January 2004
    People need to remember, servers aren't like stores and restaurants. They don't need your business. It really is a bloody shame when servers ops and their admins do this crap. It's immature. I only wish that the halflife server list allowed you to block servers permanently (I'm sure ASE and what not do but that's not the point...) because everytime I update, those servers are back on the list. It sucks that WE can't all block the crap servers like servers can block the crap players. I hate floating into a server by accident that should have been blocked years ago because connecting and loading the map wastes MY time. Meh. It sucks but, oh well.
  • Rice-RocketeerRice-Rocketeer Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2674Members
    I agree with you - server operators should NOT be jackasses.

    Unfortunately, being the moderator of a server is a MASSIVE power trip. Back in the day when I ran a CS server, and gave admin. powers to the friends of my cousin, I realized what a big mistake that was. They were total, immature ****, so I stripped them of their admin. powers until they learned their damn lesson, and even then - I didn't restore full control to them, because they simply could not deal with all that power in their hands. From what I've discovered - most people find it difficult to do so.

    Heh, heh...to quote Spiderman: "With great power comes great responsibility."

    To all the server operators who think that it's "cool" to abuse your power...you are ambassadors of NS - treat others as you would like to be treated, and help attract the kind, and good people that make up a solid community.

    I don't think that threads like this should be "locked," or "ignored," either. These are legitimate excuses to an ever-growing problem amongst servers in games *besides* Natural Selection.

    Heck, I think you should offer to be PMed regarding the identity of this server so that the rest of us don't come across people like this.

    I for one, have had ENOUGH bad servers (which there are plenty). Something needs to be done.
  • SuperTeflonSuperTeflon Join Date: 2003-12-31 Member: 24893Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin--Panzergeist+Jan 12 2004, 02:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Panzergeist @ Jan 12 2004, 02:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why is it that clans think it's okay to selectively enforce their server rules like this? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Why do you think most people laugh at the new vets?
  • RaVeRaVe Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17538Members
    The main problem is that we can't do anything about it. Generally it's their server, they pay the hosting fee for it.

    If they are abusing their powers, let it be. Soon enough the server will always be empty and the server fees? That my friend, is called wasted money for an empty server.

    Try looking at it from all directions. You and other players don't play there, they don't get any players to practise on except for themselves, and soon the server is deserted. I don't see what we can do.

    Let's try this again...in a list
    - You and other players leave server
    - They don't have anyone else to practise on except themselves
    - They get bored of the same old strats....over....and over....and over....
    - Server deserted. Money used to pay server fees = wasted.

    Remember, it's not what <b><u>we</u></b> can do, it's what <b><u>you</u></b> can do.

    And since this is generally a server bashing thread (even without the clan's or server name), and possibly won't be tolerated, it will most likely be locked. Looks like its time to press that magical shiny button....<!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Seph_KimaraSeph_Kimara Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19359Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--RaVe+Jan 12 2004, 12:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RaVe @ Jan 12 2004, 12:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And since this is generally a server bashing thread (even without the clan's or server name), and possibly won't be tolerated, it will most likely be locked. Looks like its time to press that magical shiny button....<!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    How can it be server bashing when he...
    1) never mentioned a server name
    2) never mentioned a clan name
    ?

    Seems to me it's just someone who's disgruntled about the fact that admins on many servers only enforce rules when they feel like it, and as such wants to discuss it AND what course of action you can take against it.

    As most people said, if it's a clan server, then you may as well find somewhere else to play, seeing as there's likely no higher up admin you can complain to, and if the whole clan was there doing it, then you're not gonna get much joy from trying to sort it out. On other servers though, complaining about abusive admins can generally do wonders, so long as you can find a website/email address (usually in the motd). Demos/screenshots always help when doing so, too.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> our survey says: *lock*<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Our survey says: Shut up and stop trying to be the admin's little echo...Come to think of it, that happens a lot here. It's REALLY damn annoying. If you have a problem with the damn posts, then just report it. Quit with the postcount+1 "OMG LOK THISS" crap.
  • Veal_calfVeal_calf Join Date: 2004-01-12 Member: 25246Members
    when you go on someone elses server, you are subject to their rules, and if they feel like it they can kick, bury, llama, gag, slap, or slay you. ya know why? because its their server. you can di it to others as well, all you have to do is put down some money, and get your own server, or you could shut up and be grateful that they let you on their server at all <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • CowswinCowswin Join Date: 2003-03-17 Member: 14623Banned, Constellation
    Good god I can't WAIT until 3.0 is released and the vets come over to steam to do some schooling. I'm getting pretty tired of playing on the n00b servers that are on steam now, the only one's I can stand are Bean-Net and Lunixmonster due to the fact they're the only servers up that don't have retarded admins/rules or clanstacking up the ying-yang. Even then though, you've still got the occasional jackass who insists on going onos regardless of what any teammates ask him to do, even if you have 2 res nodes, 1 hive and no chambers, and then proceeds to go afk or instantly die (the lucky n00bs kill one or two rines before this happens).

    Anyhow, as for having your own server, sure, it's your ball take it home if you don't like what other's are doing and only invite your friends. But guess what? You don't have the only freaking ball in the whole neighborhood, and you're friends might like to play with other people besides you.
  • BlueTorpeedoBlueTorpeedo Join Date: 2003-03-10 Member: 14359Members
    I would have to agree on both fronts:

    --> There are alot of antagonistic Admins. Everything from encouraging exploits to cheating to banning for inappropriate reasones. My last 3 bans that I can remember are for telling the other team that an admin was letting our team cheat in some way (giving us RES, or inviciblity). I have learned to ignore it though, and to just skip certain servers. I have a list of servers in my head of those that I will not play on, either for unfair admin or just bad pings or whatever. For a while there were alot of anti American style foriegn servers that I stayed clear of too. That has kept me clear of alot of the BS that you guys seem to be getting.

    --> Alot of Noob players too. Noob, for me, has come to a new meaning. New players dont bother me, it those players who are apparently new to commen sense or manners. Those are the real noobs, and the ones who are most offended by that name. There are also alot of CS people comming in, some cool, many who are not. In one game some CS noob begged us where we got our cheats, despite the fact that we were not cheating and that he had been in the game for like 10 seconds when he asked. Another CS noob on another server got into an arguement with me about Motion Tracking. Hes starts begging the other team about where they got their wallhack. So we tell him that that Marines have motion tracking. He accussed the entire Alien team of being noobs and that Motion tacking doesnt exist. He then spent the rest of his time on that server begging for the Wallhack's download address. I guess Im going out on a tangent. In conclusion, NS is seeing alot of new diverse players and we just have to get used to it.
  • WirheWirhe Join Date: 2003-06-22 Member: 17610Members
    ... ... ... Good thing I have found the best servers already... ... ...
  • ZiGGYZiGGY Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12479Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Seph Kimara+Jan 12 2004, 02:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Seph Kimara @ Jan 12 2004, 02:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--RaVe+Jan 12 2004, 12:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RaVe @ Jan 12 2004, 12:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And since this is generally a server bashing thread (even without the clan's or server name), and possibly won't be tolerated, it will most likely be locked. Looks like its time to press that magical shiny button....<!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    How can it be server bashing when he...
    1) never mentioned a server name
    2) never mentioned a clan name
    ?

    Seems to me it's just someone who's disgruntled about the fact that admins on many servers only enforce rules when they feel like it, and as such wants to discuss it AND what course of action you can take against it.

    As most people said, if it's a clan server, then you may as well find somewhere else to play, seeing as there's likely no higher up admin you can complain to, and if the whole clan was there doing it, then you're not gonna get much joy from trying to sort it out. On other servers though, complaining about abusive admins can generally do wonders, so long as you can find a website/email address (usually in the motd). Demos/screenshots always help when doing so, too.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> our survey says: *lock*<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Our survey says: Shut up and stop trying to be the admin's little echo...Come to think of it, that happens a lot here. It's REALLY damn annoying. If you have a problem with the damn posts, then just report it. Quit with the postcount+1 "OMG LOK THISS" crap. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    rather ironic coming from a guy who posts a long irrelevent and apathetic peices of ignorant garbage, yes complaining can do wonders, though I do believe that has nothing to do with ns, which has been stated in the many many posts of exactly the same content before it.
  • DragonMechDragonMech Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21023Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    A question, Panzergeist - what is your in-game alias? Your story reminds me of a match I played in a day or two ago.
  • zebFishzebFish Join Date: 2003-08-15 Member: 19760Members
    Oi, leave Seph Kimara alone - he's got a valid point

    Can I tell you a funny story, about a game that happened a couple of days ago?

    It was on my favourite server, running AdminMod or something like that. It had a mod which allowed an admin to automatically kick someone from the CC without prompting for a vote. Anyway, one of the admin's came on our team and demanded a HMG (5 minutes into the game). We didn't want to waste res on HMG, so didn't give him one. He simply kicked our comm outta the chair, commed, dropped a HMG for himself, and left. Our prev-comm was now banned from comming; so I started comming. Our admin then demanded a jetpack. Of course, when where still expanding, don;t want to waste res on jetpack; so I was kicked as well. Eventually; the only person on our team allowed to comm was the admin.

    Who then left.

    Now, I like this server, and I *have* mentioned it to the server owner (apparently it happens a lot); but it does seem a shame. Once people play regularly on a server, they get to know the players and develop an affiliation with the said server. Admins like the previously discussed ones howerver only server to ruin an otherwise great game

    [/End 10 cents rant]
  • MintmanMintman Join Date: 2003-05-30 Member: 16866Members
    I think complaining about clan stacking in all situations is pretty pointless. If they weren't tagged up you'd never know, but when it's that clan's server then you can't really complain at all. They have stumped up the cash for said server after all.

    Oh yeah, if you don't like a server, just don't play there.
  • AlcapwnAlcapwn &quot;War is the science of destruction&quot; - John Abbot Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17590Members
    ***ShameLess Self Promotion***

    And that why you should go to the <zD> server! IP in my sig, and its always a nice freindly atmosphere (when its not empty) <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • MajinMajin Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16829Members, Constellation
    edited January 2004
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  • RedfordRedford Monorailcatfjord Join Date: 2002-04-28 Member: 528Members, NS1 Playtester
    The first rule of server abuse is you don't talk about server abuse here. The SECOND rule of server abuse is you DO NOT talk about server abuse here. The third rule of server abuse is you talk about server abuse on the forums beloning to that server - and not here.
  • coilcoil Amateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance. Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    I didn't close this on first read because it didn't name any servers. But true to the reason the rule was implemented in the first place, sooner or later *any* server thread degenerates to "so-and-so server sucks" and "such-and-such server rocks." So bye bye.
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