Also no Dark i dont forgive you simply because of completely random post that you made and flamed Owen who was only saying a harmless joke.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->|Owen| Posted: Dec 28 2003, 09:40 PM or is he?... no no, i'm just joshin ya he's still alive... or is he?
darkflame_666 Posted: Dec 28 2003, 09:45 PM
christ owen were you always this way or did a cs player stick a n00b stick up your @$$ <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What i want to know is if your 18, how come you flamed someone for saying a line like that ?
Yes welcome back Flame hopfully u'll stay a bit longer :]
and it is a pity about owen he was a good Friend of mine....and i would like it if ppl didnt hold grudges
tho there is something i cant help but quote <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This is a spam thread, Darkflame. Guess what? I don't care about you or what you did. <u>If you don't have any talent</u>, or any interest to learn, <u>then you should really just remain quiet. Or try to avoid saying anything at least. </u><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i must say i dont like ur attitude at all
my understanding of this is if u cant model,skin,graphic art etc etc.. u shouldnt post in the forum ? is this wot ur saying ? ? ? ?
//:Edit this isnt a flame btw ...more like a question
<!--QuoteBegin---=[Drake]=-+Jan 13 2004, 08:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-=[Drake]=- @ Jan 13 2004, 08:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes welcome back Flame hopfully u'll stay a bit longer :]
and it is a pity about owen he was a good Friend of mine....and i would like it if ppl didnt hold grudges
tho there is something i cant help but quote <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This is a spam thread, Darkflame. Guess what? I don't care about you or what you did. <u>If you don't have any talent</u>, or any interest to learn, <u>then you should really just remain quiet. Or try to avoid saying anything at least. </u><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i must say i dont like ur attitude at all
my understanding of this is if u cant model,skin,graphic art etc etc.. u shouldnt post in the forum ? is this wot ur saying ? ? ? ?
//:Edit this isnt a flame btw ...more like a question <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I believe he's saying that if you can't model/skin/etc there is no point posting on here because people won't take you seriously.
E.G if posted on these forums as my first post asking for someone to convert a gun and/or model something i would probably get the following results:
"Check stickys" "Use search" "Learn to do it yourself"
etc
People would not take me seriously if i commented on a model saying something that was wrong, and the common new forum member's comment about most models are :
"OMG THAT SUCIZLKZ!_!!"
Because that person has no talent and cannot tell good work from bad.
Its probably nothing like what he means, and no-one probably understands the above post but who cares? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
EDIT - Quick overview of the above : If you can't be bothered to learn, don't bother posting in here
As for the banning, Owen can sometimes be stupid, however he shouldn't have got banned IMHO and AFAIK it's darkflames fault since Owen is a nice guy.
Flame, i don't know you but based on what i've read in the post's leading up to Owen's banning, you can be a bit of a **** sometimes.
However, i believe in second chances so all is forgiven.
Why isn't this thread locked yet? I'm surprised it has stayed well-mannered for so long.
Drake, I don't want to respond to you, but my hand is forced. My statement is one piece and not to be dissected to suit your needs. In the case of darkflame, and others with no real skills, all they are able to produce are naive criticism and jokes. There comes a point in some cases where crappy criticism and jokes combined with a lack of effort on the commentor's part that grows tiresome and leads to hostility.
Example, "Your model sucks. I can't tell you how to improve it though since I suck too, but somehow I'm able to judge what's good and what's not".
In my case, I operate well within the rules of this forum, even though I usually operate near the boundries. Owen could not, and his constant base-less harassment of my posts is proof of that. He would also ask me to "stop being so rude", then jump to the next thread and start flaming some newbie. Or, picking real-life fights with people on this forum. What is this? Kindergarten? That's a pattern of behaviour that just boggles the mind. He was a source of conflict and really needed to be removed.
Yes I can be a **** at times, who hasnt, and yes owen deserves a fair chance for what I made happen <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> But this I promise to you guys and gals here, I MEAN TO END FLAME WARS AND HELP MAKE THIS PLACE FRIENDLER FOR NOOBS AND OTHERS AT LOST SO HELP ME GOD <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'><!--endemo-->
The blind leading the blind. I would give you the benefit of the doubt, Darkflame, but typing in caps is an example of bad netiquette. This fills me with doubt. I think it would be best if I remained quiet and let destiny take its course for now.
Actually, I don't see any flaming here. The attitudes haven't gotten <i>too</i> bad. Although, as Jamil admitted, he does skirt the boundaries [and I appreciate that he doesn't go usually go further, if at all], but darkflame <i>is</i> making an effort to respond based on nothing but good intentions. I think he's honestly sorry for what happened to Owen. There've been enough people speaking out for the guy that most people would feel the same.
I don't, but that's not important.
Darkflame's said what he wanted to say. There's no reason to test his resolve or go on about Owen.
Let it be and move on. We'll see what happens. Let the thread go. It doesn't need to be discussed any more.
His intentions for making this place more newbie-friendly are more noble than what a lot of people have expressed, which, as has been said several times, is a shame.
i cant say i agree with this part <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Drake, I don't want to respond to you, but my hand is forced. My statement is one piece and not to be dissected to suit your needs.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But to be honest i do agree on this part <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> all they are able to produce are naive criticism and jokes. There comes a point in some cases where crappy criticism and jokes combined with a lack of effort on the commentor's part that grows tiresome and leads to hostility.
Example, "Your model sucks. I can't tell you how to improve it though since I suck too, but somehow I'm able to judge what's good and what's not".
In my case, I operate well within the rules of this forum, even though I usually operate near the boundries. Owen could not, and his constant base-less harassment of my posts is proof of that. He would also ask me to "stop being so rude", then jump to the next thread and start flaming some newbie. Or, picking real-life fights with people on this forum. What is this? Kindergarten? That's a pattern of behaviour that just boggles the mind. He was a source of conflict and really needed to be removed. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Jimmeh+Jan 14 2004, 10:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jimmeh @ Jan 14 2004, 10:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I believe he wants it stickied as a reminder to keep things civil.
Oh and people will take more notice of you if you spell correctly.
Also proper grammar and punctuation also help people respect you because it's easier to read. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> But if english isnt your mother languish and you dont want to check all grammar + if you want to write rather quick as I do.. then some or lots of grammar errors will occure.
and I really dont want to sit with a lexicon checking that everything is correct.. I want to communicate and most of the time som bad grammar skills dont stop me from doing that.
<!--QuoteBegin--Nottingham+Jan 14 2004, 06:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nottingham @ Jan 14 2004, 06:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Jimmeh+Jan 14 2004, 10:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jimmeh @ Jan 14 2004, 10:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I believe he wants it stickied as a reminder to keep things civil.
Oh and people will take more notice of you if you spell correctly.
Also proper grammar and punctuation also help people respect you because it's easier to read. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> But if english isnt your mother languish and you dont want to check all grammar + if you want to write rather quick as I do.. then some or lots of grammar errors will occure.
and I really dont want to sit with a lexicon checking that everything is correct.. I want to communicate and most of the time som bad grammar skills dont stop me from doing that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> English is my second language, and I think I write it pretty well, althought I was taught proper U.K. English, so it sounds a bit funny. Not to mention one of the stickys mentioned that if you see someone with terrible grammar, you shouldn't mention it, unless its constructive or something.
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Also no Dark i dont forgive you simply because of completely random post that you made and flamed Owen who was only saying a harmless joke.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->|Owen| Posted: Dec 28 2003, 09:40 PM
or is he?... no no, i'm just joshin ya he's still alive... or is he?
darkflame_666 Posted: Dec 28 2003, 09:45 PM
christ owen were you always this way or did a cs player stick a n00b stick up your @$$ <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What i want to know is if your 18, how come you flamed someone for saying a line like that ?
It's not darkflame you need to question. It's the moderators and admins.
Stop attacking darkfllame just because he's less impressive around here than the mods are.
That's because Wolf pwns <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
and it is a pity about owen he was a good Friend of mine....and i would like it if ppl didnt hold grudges
tho there is something i cant help but quote
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This is a spam thread, Darkflame. Guess what? I don't care about you or what you did. <u>If you don't have any talent</u>, or any interest to learn, <u>then you should really just remain quiet. Or try to avoid saying anything at least. </u><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i must say i dont like ur attitude at all
my understanding of this is if u cant model,skin,graphic art etc etc.. u shouldnt post in the forum ?
is this wot ur saying ? ? ? ?
//:Edit this isnt a flame btw ...more like a question
and it is a pity about owen he was a good Friend of mine....and i would like it if ppl didnt hold grudges
tho there is something i cant help but quote
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This is a spam thread, Darkflame. Guess what? I don't care about you or what you did. <u>If you don't have any talent</u>, or any interest to learn, <u>then you should really just remain quiet. Or try to avoid saying anything at least. </u><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i must say i dont like ur attitude at all
my understanding of this is if u cant model,skin,graphic art etc etc.. u shouldnt post in the forum ?
is this wot ur saying ? ? ? ?
//:Edit this isnt a flame btw ...more like a question <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I believe he's saying that if you can't model/skin/etc there is no point posting on here because people won't take you seriously.
E.G if posted on these forums as my first post asking for someone to convert a gun and/or model something i would probably get the following results:
"Check stickys"
"Use search"
"Learn to do it yourself"
etc
People would not take me seriously if i commented on a model saying something that was wrong, and the common new forum member's comment about most models are :
"OMG THAT SUCIZLKZ!_!!"
Because that person has no talent and cannot tell good work from bad.
Its probably nothing like what he means, and no-one probably understands the above post but who cares? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
EDIT - Quick overview of the above : If you can't be bothered to learn, don't bother posting in here
As for the banning, Owen can sometimes be stupid, however he shouldn't have got banned IMHO and AFAIK it's darkflames fault since Owen is a nice guy.
Flame, i don't know you but based on what i've read in the post's leading up to Owen's banning, you can be a bit of a **** sometimes.
However, i believe in second chances so all is forgiven.
Drake, I don't want to respond to you, but my hand is forced. My statement is one piece and not to be dissected to suit your needs. In the case of darkflame, and others with no real skills, all they are able to produce are naive criticism and jokes. There comes a point in some cases where crappy criticism and jokes combined with a lack of effort on the commentor's part that grows tiresome and leads to hostility.
Example, "Your model sucks. I can't tell you how to improve it though since I suck too, but somehow I'm able to judge what's good and what's not".
In my case, I operate well within the rules of this forum, even though I usually operate near the boundries. Owen could not, and his constant base-less harassment of my posts is proof of that. He would also ask me to "stop being so rude", then jump to the next thread and start flaming some newbie. Or, picking real-life fights with people on this forum. What is this? Kindergarten? That's a pattern of behaviour that just boggles the mind. He was a source of conflict and really needed to be removed.
I don't, but that's not important.
Darkflame's said what he wanted to say. There's no reason to test his resolve or go on about Owen.
Let it be and move on. We'll see what happens. Let the thread go. It doesn't need to be discussed any more.
His intentions for making this place more newbie-friendly are more noble than what a lot of people have expressed, which, as has been said several times, is a shame.
i cant say i agree with this part <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Drake, I don't want to respond to you, but my hand is forced. My statement is one piece and not to be dissected to suit your needs.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But to be honest i do agree on this part
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> all they are able to produce are naive criticism and jokes. There comes a point in some cases where crappy criticism and jokes combined with a lack of effort on the commentor's part that grows tiresome and leads to hostility.
Example, "Your model sucks. I can't tell you how to improve it though since I suck too, but somehow I'm able to judge what's good and what's not".
In my case, I operate well within the rules of this forum, even though I usually operate near the boundries. Owen could not, and his constant base-less harassment of my posts is proof of that. He would also ask me to "stop being so rude", then jump to the next thread and start flaming some newbie. Or, picking real-life fights with people on this forum. What is this? Kindergarten? That's a pattern of behaviour that just boggles the mind. He was a source of conflict and really needed to be removed.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
//:Edit U can lock the thread now tbh
Oh and people will take more notice of you if you spell correctly.
Also proper grammar and punctuation also help people respect you because it's easier to read.
Oh and people will take more notice of you if you spell correctly.
Also proper grammar and punctuation also help people respect you because it's easier to read. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But if english isnt your mother languish and you dont want to check all grammar + if you want to write rather quick as I do.. then some or lots of grammar errors will occure.
and I really dont want to sit with a lexicon checking that everything is correct.. I want to communicate and most of the time som bad grammar skills dont stop me from doing that.
And darkflame, good thing, at least you're apologizing... Good day.
Oh and people will take more notice of you if you spell correctly.
Also proper grammar and punctuation also help people respect you because it's easier to read. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But if english isnt your mother languish and you dont want to check all grammar + if you want to write rather quick as I do.. then some or lots of grammar errors will occure.
and I really dont want to sit with a lexicon checking that everything is correct.. I want to communicate and most of the time som bad grammar skills dont stop me from doing that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
English is my second language, and I think I write it pretty well, althought I was taught proper U.K. English, so it sounds a bit funny. Not to mention one of the stickys mentioned that if you see someone with terrible grammar, you shouldn't mention it, unless its constructive or something.
Be nice, or go home.