I Am Truly Sorry

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  • 343_guilty_spark343_guilty_spark Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17462Members
    How did he get banned ?

    Also no Dark i dont forgive you simply because of completely random post that you made and flamed Owen who was only saying a harmless joke.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->|Owen| Posted: Dec 28 2003, 09:40 PM
    or is he?... no no, i'm just joshin ya he's still alive... or is he?



    darkflame_666 Posted: Dec 28 2003, 09:45 PM 

    christ owen were you always this way or did a cs player stick a n00b stick up your @$$ <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    What i want to know is if your 18, how come you flamed someone for saying a line like that ?
  • Wolf_KahlerWolf_Kahler Join Date: 2002-11-29 Member: 10252Members
    Owen got banned for having a consistently bad attitude.

    It's not darkflame you need to question. It's the moderators and admins.

    Stop attacking darkfllame just because he's less impressive around here than the mods are.
  • darkflame_666darkflame_666 Join Date: 2003-12-18 Member: 24531Members
    Someone defended me <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> ....I luv you guys, yes even Owen <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • JezpuhJezpuh Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15157Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin--darkflame_666+Jan 13 2004, 09:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (darkflame_666 @ Jan 13 2004, 09:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Someone defended me <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> ....I luv you guys, yes even Owen <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That's because Wolf pwns <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • -Drake--Drake- -dn ʎɐʍ sıɥʇ- Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15125Members
    edited January 2004
    Yes welcome back Flame hopfully u'll stay a bit longer :]

    and it is a pity about owen he was a good Friend of mine....and i would like it if ppl didnt hold grudges

    tho there is something i cant help but quote
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This is a spam thread, Darkflame. Guess what? I don't care about you or what you did. <u>If you don't have any talent</u>, or any interest to learn, <u>then you should really just remain quiet. Or try to avoid saying anything at least. </u><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    i must say i dont like ur attitude at all

    my understanding of this is if u cant model,skin,graphic art etc etc.. u shouldnt post in the forum ?
    is this wot ur saying ? ? ? ?

    //:Edit this isnt a flame btw ...more like a question
  • JimmehJimmeh Join Date: 2003-08-24 Member: 20173Members, Constellation
    edited January 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin---=[Drake]=-+Jan 13 2004, 08:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-=[Drake]=- @ Jan 13 2004, 08:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes welcome back Flame hopfully u'll stay a bit longer :]

    and it is a pity about owen he was a good Friend of mine....and i would like it if ppl didnt hold grudges

    tho there is something i cant help but quote
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This is a spam thread, Darkflame. Guess what? I don't care about you or what you did. <u>If you don't have any talent</u>, or any interest to learn, <u>then you should really just remain quiet. Or try to avoid saying anything at least. </u><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    i must say i dont like ur attitude at all

    my understanding of this is if u cant model,skin,graphic art etc etc.. u shouldnt post in the forum ?
    is this wot ur saying ? ? ? ?

    //:Edit this isnt a flame btw ...more like a question <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I believe he's saying that if you can't model/skin/etc there is no point posting on here because people won't take you seriously.

    E.G if posted on these forums as my first post asking for someone to convert a gun and/or model something i would probably get the following results:

    "Check stickys"
    "Use search"
    "Learn to do it yourself"

    etc

    People would not take me seriously if i commented on a model saying something that was wrong, and the common new forum member's comment about most models are :

    "OMG THAT SUCIZLKZ!_!!"

    Because that person has no talent and cannot tell good work from bad.

    Its probably nothing like what he means, and no-one probably understands the above post but who cares? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    EDIT - Quick overview of the above : If you can't be bothered to learn, don't bother posting in here

    As for the banning, Owen can sometimes be stupid, however he shouldn't have got banned IMHO and AFAIK it's darkflames fault since Owen is a nice guy.


    Flame, i don't know you but based on what i've read in the post's leading up to Owen's banning, you can be a bit of a **** sometimes.

    However, i believe in second chances so all is forgiven.
  • CoolCookieCooksCoolCookieCooks Pretty Girl Join Date: 2003-05-18 Member: 16446Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    too bad owen doesnt get a proper second chance...
  • ObstObst Join Date: 2003-03-12 Member: 14436Members, Constellation
    He GOT a second chance before, he was temp suspended, dunno what for. But if I look at the last thread closely I can understand he got upset...
  • 343_guilty_spark343_guilty_spark Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17462Members
    I can name a few people who are more hot-headed than Owen and i don't see them with suspended or banned signs.
  • JamilJamil Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4829Members
    Why isn't this thread locked yet? I'm surprised it has stayed well-mannered for so long.

    Drake, I don't want to respond to you, but my hand is forced. My statement is one piece and not to be dissected to suit your needs. In the case of darkflame, and others with no real skills, all they are able to produce are naive criticism and jokes. There comes a point in some cases where crappy criticism and jokes combined with a lack of effort on the commentor's part that grows tiresome and leads to hostility.

    Example, "Your model sucks. I can't tell you how to improve it though since I suck too, but somehow I'm able to judge what's good and what's not".

    In my case, I operate well within the rules of this forum, even though I usually operate near the boundries. Owen could not, and his constant base-less harassment of my posts is proof of that. He would also ask me to "stop being so rude", then jump to the next thread and start flaming some newbie. Or, picking real-life fights with people on this forum. What is this? Kindergarten? That's a pattern of behaviour that just boggles the mind. He was a source of conflict and really needed to be removed.
  • darkflame_666darkflame_666 Join Date: 2003-12-18 Member: 24531Members
    Yes I can be a **** at times, who hasnt, and yes owen deserves a fair chance for what I made happen <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> But this I promise to you guys and gals here, I MEAN TO END FLAME WARS AND HELP MAKE THIS PLACE FRIENDLER FOR NOOBS AND OTHERS AT LOST SO HELP ME GOD <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • JamilJamil Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4829Members
    edited January 2004
    The blind leading the blind. I would give you the benefit of the doubt, Darkflame, but typing in caps is an example of bad netiquette. This fills me with doubt. I think it would be best if I remained quiet and let destiny take its course for now.
  • ChronoChrono Local flyboy Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18989Members
    and the flame wars rage on strong as ever
  • Wolf_KahlerWolf_Kahler Join Date: 2002-11-29 Member: 10252Members
    Actually, I don't see any flaming here. The attitudes haven't gotten <i>too</i> bad. Although, as Jamil admitted, he does skirt the boundaries [and I appreciate that he doesn't go usually go further, if at all], but darkflame <i>is</i> making an effort to respond based on nothing but good intentions. I think he's honestly sorry for what happened to Owen. There've been enough people speaking out for the guy that most people would feel the same.

    I don't, but that's not important.

    Darkflame's said what he wanted to say. There's no reason to test his resolve or go on about Owen.

    Let it be and move on. We'll see what happens. Let the thread go. It doesn't need to be discussed any more.

    His intentions for making this place more newbie-friendly are more noble than what a lot of people have expressed, which, as has been said several times, is a shame.
  • -Drake--Drake- -dn ʎɐʍ sıɥʇ- Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15125Members
    Yes that is all i wanted to know tho...

    i cant say i agree with this part <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Drake, I don't want to respond to you, but my hand is forced. My statement is one piece and not to be dissected to suit your needs.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    But to be honest i do agree on this part
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> all they are able to produce are naive criticism and jokes. There comes a point in some cases where crappy criticism and jokes combined with a lack of effort on the commentor's part that grows tiresome and leads to hostility.

    Example, "Your model sucks. I can't tell you how to improve it though since I suck too, but somehow I'm able to judge what's good and what's not".

    In my case, I operate well within the rules of this forum, even though I usually operate near the boundries. Owen could not, and his constant base-less harassment of my posts is proof of that. He would also ask me to "stop being so rude", then jump to the next thread and start flaming some newbie. Or, picking real-life fights with people on this forum. What is this? Kindergarten? That's a pattern of behaviour that just boggles the mind. He was a source of conflict and really needed to be removed.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    //:Edit U can lock the thread now tbh
  • darkflame_666darkflame_666 Join Date: 2003-12-18 Member: 24531Members
    Yes please lock or sticky this.
  • TresthTresth Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5602Members, Constellation
  • JimmehJimmeh Join Date: 2003-08-24 Member: 20173Members, Constellation
    I believe he wants it stickied as a reminder to keep things civil.

    Oh and people will take more notice of you if you spell correctly.

    Also proper grammar and punctuation also help people respect you because it's easier to read.
  • NottinghamNottingham Join Date: 2002-11-26 Member: 10002Members
    edited January 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin--Jimmeh+Jan 14 2004, 10:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jimmeh @ Jan 14 2004, 10:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I believe he wants it stickied as a reminder to keep things civil.

    Oh and people will take more notice of you if you spell correctly.

    Also proper grammar and punctuation also help people respect you because it's easier to read. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    But if english isnt your mother languish and you dont want to check all grammar + if you want to write rather quick as I do.. then some or lots of grammar errors will occure.

    and I really dont want to sit with a lexicon checking that everything is correct.. I want to communicate and most of the time som bad grammar skills dont stop me from doing that.
  • SilentMurdererSilentMurderer Join Date: 2002-10-30 Member: 1751Members
    edited January 2004
    Umm.. guys? You're making it sound like Owen died or something...

    And darkflame, good thing, at least you're apologizing... Good day.
  • fury_l6lfury_l6l Join Date: 2003-12-27 Member: 24795Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin--Nottingham+Jan 14 2004, 06:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nottingham @ Jan 14 2004, 06:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Jimmeh+Jan 14 2004, 10:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jimmeh @ Jan 14 2004, 10:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I believe he wants it stickied as a reminder to keep things civil.

    Oh and people will take more notice of you if you spell correctly.

    Also proper grammar and punctuation also help people respect you because it's easier to read. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    But if english isnt your mother languish and you dont want to check all grammar + if you want to write rather quick as I do.. then some or lots of grammar errors will occure.

    and I really dont want to sit with a lexicon checking that everything is correct.. I want to communicate and most of the time som bad grammar skills dont stop me from doing that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    English is my second language, and I think I write it pretty well, althought I was taught proper U.K. English, so it sounds a bit funny. Not to mention one of the stickys mentioned that if you see someone with terrible grammar, you shouldn't mention it, unless its constructive or something.
  • BigBullBigBull Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15123Members
    This thread has gone on too long. Its simple.

    Be nice, or go home.
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