Primal Scream

SuperTeflonSuperTeflon Join Date: 2003-12-31 Member: 24893Banned
in NS General Discussion
Out of curiosity how many people actually use it? I know I've read before that even in clans it's rarely used for much beyond quickening the destruction of the marines base, (Which IMO isn't much of a use for it... it should be useful in other regards besides finishing a game you've already obviously won) but I can't seem to find those threads.
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  • RaVeRaVe Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17538Members
    Well, judging the fact that bite does 50 damage per bite, which definitely isn't enough for a lerk to kill people quickly, you're gonna see a slight boost of the use of primal scream because it raises your RoF
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  • TrayderTrayder Join Date: 2003-10-30 Member: 22127Members, Constellation
    I use it with the lerk spikes and adrenaline, i primal scream then switch to spikes and start shooting with an occasional umbra/spores.
    That'll change in 3.0 though, i might use it with the lerk bite but its really just support for your teammates.
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  • LastLast Join Date: 2003-10-06 Member: 21463Members
    Primal scream is just awesome... primal + spikes in 2.0 = pwn. it doubles the RoF and adds ~20% to movement speed, kinda like a super cat pack for aliens. Course, it's not used much because it's hive 3, but it'd be way overpowered if you moved it down any.
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  • DragonMechDragonMech Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21023Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    The best way to use Primal Scream is to get behind a pack of fades using Acid Rocket. Throw in a few nearby MCs and you can have hi-speed acidspam - IMO one of the best ways to crack open a turtling marine base.
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  • SuperTeflonSuperTeflon Join Date: 2003-12-31 Member: 24893Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin--Last.+Jan 12 2004, 06:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Last. @ Jan 12 2004, 06:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Primal scream is just awesome... primal + spikes in 2.0 = pwn. it doubles the RoF and adds ~20% to movement speed, kinda like a super cat pack for aliens. Course, it's not used much because it's hive 3, but it'd be way overpowered if you moved it down any. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'm not asking how effective it is, I'm wondering how often people see it used. I almost never see it used. @ Dragon, except that requires A) A marine spawn with a decent area to AR from, B) Lots of fades. And you usually won't have both.
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  • DragonMechDragonMech Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21023Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited January 2004
    Even one fade (or any other Kharra that is attacking) using AR is greatly assisted by a Lerk using PS.
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  • MintmanMintman Join Date: 2003-05-30 Member: 16866Members
    You don't see it much as it's hive 3 and a lerk weapon. At hive 3 most people want to be gorge/fade/onos or they are playing with xeno. That's why you don't see it much.
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  • LastLast Join Date: 2003-10-06 Member: 21463Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--SuperTeflon+Jan 12 2004, 04:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SuperTeflon @ Jan 12 2004, 04:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    I'm not asking how effective it is, I'm wondering how often people see it used. I almost never see it used. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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  • SuperTeflonSuperTeflon Join Date: 2003-12-31 Member: 24893Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin--Last.+Jan 12 2004, 07:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Last. @ Jan 12 2004, 07:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--SuperTeflon+Jan 12 2004, 04:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SuperTeflon @ Jan 12 2004, 04:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    I'm not asking how effective it is, I'm wondering how often people see it used. I almost never see it used. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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  • LastLast Join Date: 2003-10-06 Member: 21463Members
    if that was your attempt at flaming me... you've succeeded.

    I go now to weep.
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  • RoatigasRoatigas Join Date: 2003-09-13 Member: 20840Members
    I always lerk on hive 3, even when on 100 res. Primal Scream raises not only walking speed and rate of fire, but it's a damage increase of 30%. A bit of primal scream, some spores doing increased damage, then perhaps some umbra for whoever's around me. And if they haven't changed it any in 3.0, and definitely if its effects stack with Focus, I'll continue to lerk and use it.
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  • MajinMajin Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16829Members, Constellation
    IDEA:
    Remove Metabolize from Fade, give him PS and give the lerk SPikes again.
    Reason:
    Meta sucks, We need more ranged weps and the Fade would be more useful to have PS.
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  • pSyk0mAnpSyk0mAn Nerdish by Nature Germany Join Date: 2003-08-07 Member: 19166Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Community Developer
    edited January 2004
    Primal scream isn't used much because you can't kill marines with it !
    Most new and selfish players don't even use umbra but only spikes and spores to get frags <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Majin, i like your idea <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • chis1chis1 Join Date: 2004-01-13 Member: 25281Members
    Ive used it once, but i wasnt noticing anything, and when in a big battle , you rarly even look to go to it, im usually like

    AH SPIKE SHOOTER THINGY SPORE SPIKE SHOOTER UMBRA <b>ROAR</b>

    while trying to flap about, then i run out of stanama thingy n fall to the ground n get shot to f00k : <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • Roger_DodgerRoger_Dodger Join Date: 2003-03-11 Member: 14392Members
    Hey Last. are you regretting putting your passport photo as your avatar yet? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    I don't use it very much except to break open turtles and to spike machine gun.

    - RD
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  • RoverRover blargh Join Date: 2003-09-23 Member: 21139Members
    I love to get adren and scream-spike-scream-spike-... and with lerklift lift some HAs...


    Grtz,

    Rover
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  • NamronNamron Join Date: 2002-11-29 Member: 10220Members
    edited January 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin--Majin+Jan 13 2004, 09:27 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Majin @ Jan 13 2004, 09:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> IDEA:
    Remove Metabolize from Fade, give him PS and give the lerk SPikes again.
    Reason:
    Meta sucks, We need more ranged weps and the Fade would be more useful to have PS. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That's actually not a bad suggestion.

    However, blink is the ability that should go. Metabolize is unique, blink isn't (blink is just a modified leap with a different name and another wav file attached to it). Give the fade increased movement speed and more armor to compensate.

    It's sad that the third hive abilities is rarely used. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • BogglesteinskyBogglesteinsky Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11488Members
    Primal scream also decreases the damage taken by all the aliens affected.
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  • brute_forcebrute_force Join Date: 2003-10-04 Member: 21433Members, Constellation
    edited January 2004
    [QUOTE=Namron,Jan 13 2004, 09:24 PM] However, blink is the ability that should go. Metabolize is unique, blink isn't (blink is just a modified leap with a different name and another wav file attached to it). Give the fade increased movement speed and more armor to compensate. [/QUOTE]
    Nooooo, not blink. Then we'd remove the unique thing about the fade. Plus it wouldn't have a reason for it's name anymore, so we'd have to call it "healer" because it heals itself with the metabolize, or maybe the "rocket launcher"... "swiper"?

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    EDIT:
    [QUOTE=BlueNovember]Lots of health, and 10 (?) extra damage swipe vs bite.[/QUOTE]

    Actually, it's just a five damage difference. Bite: 75, Swipe: 80 ('least I think so?)

    edit2: quote tags seem to not work? ehh... just ignore that then.
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  • BlueNovemberBlueNovember hax Join Date: 2003-02-28 Member: 14137Members, Constellation
    Remove blink? Good grief no.

    IMO blink/swipe is the only thing that makes a fade a viable alien early game. It can clear res towers in minutes, and can take down 1 or 2 HMGers too with a spot of luck.

    Replacing blink with PS is all very well, but rambo fades would just cease to exist. A fade is very hard to use as a team alien, simply because it moves so fast. *No* other alien can keep up. Without blink, it would just be a larger form of skulk. Skulks get leap hive 2, but fades start with blink. Without blink, what differentiates it from the skulk? Lots of health, and 10 (?) extra damage swipe vs bite.

    That would nerf the fade big time. With hitboxes fixed in NS 3 it all spells spoilage.

    Just my opinion. I love fade. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • GrillkohleGrillkohle Join Date: 2003-12-23 Member: 24695Members, Constellation
    If you remove blink from the fade, it make the fade totally worthless. Blink is the thing that makes the fade a unique creature, if you remove it the fade is slow and vulnerable.

    Metabolize is probably the most useless ability, because when you use it, it nullifies the effect of regeneration. Regeneration heals about 22 health per click, metabolize heals 20. If you use metabolize while you have regeneration, it does not heal 42 health per click, however, but 20 per click.
    Of course, you could go redemption or carapace fade, but that would make it impossible to heal while blinking away.
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