Less Hackers
grim2
Join Date: 2003-12-09 Member: 24186Members
Join Date: 2003-12-09 Member: 24186Members
<div class="IPBDescription">metacheat</div> guys i was wondering did u guys in the ns team shut down <span style='color:white'>'two bad sites we don't want people to google for'</span> when i sent that email because i checked the other day and i think its shut down i talked to a ex hacker emailed the main person and he said that someone shut it down was it you guys and sorry for any .,;;' ETC THAT ARE MISSING ITS WHERE IM ABOUT TO GET MY DINNER SO LATERZ <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
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Unknowncheat and Metacheat? WTH?
He posted some kind of public statement that he was stopping production of JC / MC for some reason or another.
I just wish that there were effective ways to take legal action against any cheat maker <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
After a brief look at their forum it didn't take me long to surmise that cheating death is not liked by the cheaters - they rub their hand with anticipation for vac.
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I just wish that there were effective ways to take legal action against any cheat maker <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As much as i hate cheaters, i do actually respect the coders of cheats.
It's not an easy thing doing what they do, and constantly keeping one step ahead of anti-cheat measures, you've got to hand it to them, they do a lot of hard work, for no profit.
While it is still cheating, the main coders put in a lot of hard work, it's the little punk kids that download their skills from some cheat site that i really can't stand. They did no work and they're reaping the benefits.
*EDIT: <a href='http://www.steampowered.co.uk/index.php?module=news&article=12' target='_blank'>Here's</a> a pretty recent interview with Joolz. From this interview, and others i've read, he knows what he's doing, he's not a bad person, and he's certainly not your average "CS H4xx0r".
rofl
And the cheat makers know darn well that they are the source of all the cheating problems. They know that punks will download their stuff and it only encourages them to keep on working on the cheats. And yeah, if there were laws against making cheats and cheaters, and these laws were enforced, then there would be way less cheaters around.
I just wish that there were effective ways to take legal action against any cheat maker <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As much as i hate cheaters, i do actually respect the coders of cheats.
It's not an easy thing doing what they do, and constantly keeping one step ahead of anti-cheat measures, you've got to hand it to them, they do a lot of hard work, for no profit.
While it is still cheating, the main coders put in a lot of hard work, it's the little punk kids that download their skills from some cheat site that i really can't stand. They did no work and they're reaping the benefits. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Suspiciously close to applauding gun runners yet criticising firearms wielders in 3rd world countries that use said guns to terrorise the populace.
It takes two to tango when it comes to cheats - those that create, and those that use.
Take away either group and the cheating problem is solved. I cant understand why you respect these coders. You are frequently saying stuff in off topic like "people suck" - yet here you are practically applauding those who work hard and program for free to GENERATE MISERY FOR THE GAMING COMMUNITY!
And the cheat makers know darn well that they are the source of all the cheating problems. They know that punks will download their stuff and it only encourages them to keep on working on the cheats. And yeah, if there were laws against making cheats and cheaters, and these laws were enforced, then there would be way less cheaters around. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So if Joolz was playing to the cheater market so much, how do you explain the quote:
<!--QuoteBegin--PC Zone Issue 132+--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (PC Zone Issue 132)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "Ive sat there for hours on end, writing the thing (Metacheat)," he says bitterly.
"They've just downloaded their skills off a website."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He is obviously very bitter about people taking advantage of his work.
Also, he has built in back doors to disable the cheats if he so wants to, and early versions stole people's CD-Keys and stored them in an online database. He is, quite obviously, not playing to the cheater market.
I just wish that there were effective ways to take legal action against any cheat maker <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As much as i hate cheaters, i do actually respect the coders of cheats.
It's not an easy thing doing what they do, and constantly keeping one step ahead of anti-cheat measures, you've got to hand it to them, they do a lot of hard work, for no profit.
While it is still cheating, the main coders put in a lot of hard work, it's the little punk kids that download their skills from some cheat site that i really can't stand. They did no work and they're reaping the benefits.
*EDIT: <a href='http://www.steampowered.co.uk/index.php?module=news&article=12' target='_blank'>Here's</a> a pretty recent interview with Joolz. From this interview, and others i've read, he knows what he's doing, he's not a bad person, and he's certainly not your average "CS H4xx0r". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sorry for the euphemism but I see no difference from someone who artfully pisses on me to someone who pisses on me straight. I've still been **** on right?
No I'm not into golden showers (I do play on vac servers though)
I just wish that there were effective ways to take legal action against any cheat maker <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As much as i hate cheaters, i do actually respect the coders of cheats.
It's not an easy thing doing what they do, and constantly keeping one step ahead of anti-cheat measures, you've got to hand it to them, they do a lot of hard work, for no profit.
While it is still cheating, the main coders put in a lot of hard work, it's the little punk kids that download their skills from some cheat site that i really can't stand. They did no work and they're reaping the benefits.
*EDIT: <a href='http://www.steampowered.co.uk/index.php?module=news&article=12' target='_blank'>Here's</a> a pretty recent interview with Joolz. From this interview, and others i've read, he knows what he's doing, he's not a bad person, and he's certainly not your average "CS H4xx0r". <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sorry for the euphemism but I see no difference from someone who artfully pisses on me to someone who pisses on me straight. I've still been **** on right?
No I'm not into golden showers (I do play on vac servers though) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm in no way supporting the USE of cheats. Hells yes i hate playing against a cheater. What i'm saying is do <b>not</b> lump the coders in with the rest of the "hackers". They are actually skilled people who actually achieved something.
And the cheat makers know darn well that they are the source of all the cheating problems. They know that punks will download their stuff and it only encourages them to keep on working on the cheats. And yeah, if there were laws against making cheats and cheaters, and these laws were enforced, then there would be way less cheaters around. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So if Joolz was playing to the cheater market so much, how do you explain the quote:
<!--QuoteBegin--PC Zone Issue 132+--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (PC Zone Issue 132)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "Ive sat there for hours on end, writing the thing (Metacheat)," he says bitterly.
"They've just downloaded their skills off a website."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He is obviously very bitter about people taking advantage of his work.
Also, he has built in back doors to disable the cheats if he so wants to, and early versions stole people's CD-Keys and stored them in an online database. He is, quite obviously, not playing to the cheater market. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Boo-frickety-hoo.
I heard the same pathetic sob story from some useless coder called viper who created wallhacks for cs. When he finally stopped, he posted a lovely little story about how he didnt condone cheating and didnt really want people to use his hacks online. My reply to that was BFS!
Thats like a man who creates a bullet specially made to penetrate police issue flak jackets. Every time the police upgrade their jackets, he upgrades his bullets to penetrate them. He then makes these bullets freely available to anyone who wants them - yet claims he in no way supports the shooting of cops. That man would be tried and jailed. Why the double standards for the producers of hacks?
If Joolz didnt want people using his hacks online - then wth did he make them downloadable? Why didnt he just make em at home and keep em at home if its just a hobby of his? Face it - despite this pathetic crawling, creators of cheats need to be socked as hard in the balls as the users of cheats.
I may even have less resepct for the code creators because if they had chosen they could have kept their programs secret.
And the cheat makers know darn well that they are the source of all the cheating problems. They know that punks will download their stuff and it only encourages them to keep on working on the cheats. And yeah, if there were laws against making cheats and cheaters, and these laws were enforced, then there would be way less cheaters around. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So if Joolz was playing to the cheater market so much, how do you explain the quote:
<!--QuoteBegin--PC Zone Issue 132+--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (PC Zone Issue 132)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "Ive sat there for hours on end, writing the thing (Metacheat)," he says bitterly.
"They've just downloaded their skills off a website."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He is obviously very bitter about people taking advantage of his work.
Also, he has built in back doors to disable the cheats if he so wants to, and early versions stole people's CD-Keys and stored them in an online database. He is, quite obviously, not playing to the cheater market. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Boo-frickety-hoo.
I heard the same pathetic sob story from some useless coder called viper who created wallhacks for cs. When he finally stopped, he posted a lovely little story about how he didnt condone cheating and didnt really want people to use his hacks online. My reply to that was BFS!
Thats like a man who creates a bullet specially made to penetrate police issue flak jackets. Every time the police upgrade their jackets, he upgrades his bullets to penetrate them. He then makes these bullets freely available to anyone who wants them - yet claims he in no way supports the shooting of cops. That man would be tried and jailed. Why the double standards for the producers of hacks?
If Joolz didnt want people using his hacks online - then wth did he make them downloadable? Why didnt he just make em at home and keep em at home if its just a hobby of his? Face it - despite this pathetic crawling, creators of cheats need to be socked as hard in the balls as the users of cheats. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Spot on, Marine01!
And the cheat makers know darn well that they are the source of all the cheating problems. They know that punks will download their stuff and it only encourages them to keep on working on the cheats. And yeah, if there were laws against making cheats and cheaters, and these laws were enforced, then there would be way less cheaters around. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So if Joolz was playing to the cheater market so much, how do you explain the quote:
<!--QuoteBegin--PC Zone Issue 132+--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (PC Zone Issue 132)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "Ive sat there for hours on end, writing the thing (Metacheat)," he says bitterly.
"They've just downloaded their skills off a website."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He is obviously very bitter about people taking advantage of his work.
Also, he has built in back doors to disable the cheats if he so wants to, and early versions stole people's CD-Keys and stored them in an online database. He is, quite obviously, not playing to the cheater market. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Boo-frickety-hoo.
I heard the same pathetic sob story from some useless coder called viper who created wallhacks for cs. When he finally stopped, he posted a lovely little story about how he didnt condone cheating and didnt really want people to use his hacks online. My reply to that was BFS!
Thats like a man who creates a bullet specially made to penetrate police issue flak jackets. Every time the police upgrade their jackets, he upgrades his bullets to penetrate them. He then makes these bullets freely available to anyone who wants them - yet claims he in no way supports the shooting of cops. That man would be tried and jailed. Why the double standards for the producers of hacks?
If Joolz didnt want people using his hacks online - then wth did he make them downloadable? Why didnt he just make em at home and keep em at home if its just a hobby of his? Face it - despite this pathetic crawling, creators of cheats need to be socked as hard in the balls as the users of cheats. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ok, please enlighten me how cheating in games is the same as killing people?
I mean, call me stupid, but i don't see how playing a video game, and murder are the same thing.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ok, please enlighten me how cheating in games is the same as killing people?
I mean, call me stupid, but i don't see how playing a video game, and murder are the same thing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Starts with something small and works its way up.
If i was a cheat coder i'd be looking at getting a real job with those skills, not getting a bunch of lil' fanboys in a game.
- RD
And the cheat makers know darn well that they are the source of all the cheating problems. They know that punks will download their stuff and it only encourages them to keep on working on the cheats. And yeah, if there were laws against making cheats and cheaters, and these laws were enforced, then there would be way less cheaters around. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So if Joolz was playing to the cheater market so much, how do you explain the quote:
<!--QuoteBegin--PC Zone Issue 132+--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (PC Zone Issue 132)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "Ive sat there for hours on end, writing the thing (Metacheat)," he says bitterly.
"They've just downloaded their skills off a website."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He is obviously very bitter about people taking advantage of his work.
Also, he has built in back doors to disable the cheats if he so wants to, and early versions stole people's CD-Keys and stored them in an online database. He is, quite obviously, not playing to the cheater market. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Boo-frickety-hoo.
I heard the same pathetic sob story from some useless coder called viper who created wallhacks for cs. When he finally stopped, he posted a lovely little story about how he didnt condone cheating and didnt really want people to use his hacks online. My reply to that was BFS!
Thats like a man who creates a bullet specially made to penetrate police issue flak jackets. Every time the police upgrade their jackets, he upgrades his bullets to penetrate them. He then makes these bullets freely available to anyone who wants them - yet claims he in no way supports the shooting of cops. That man would be tried and jailed. Why the double standards for the producers of hacks?
If Joolz didnt want people using his hacks online - then wth did he make them downloadable? Why didnt he just make em at home and keep em at home if its just a hobby of his? Face it - despite this pathetic crawling, creators of cheats need to be socked as hard in the balls as the users of cheats. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ok, please enlighten me how cheating in games is the same as killing people?
I mean, call me stupid, but i don't see how playing a video game, and murder are the same thing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It was a metaphor. When someone gets shot with a gun, they don't put the guns maker into jail. Instead they put the one who shot with it. I agree in that the cheat makers are talented coders, but still I don't respect them.
[METAPHOR]
I would compare cheats to drugs. Using and making them is wrong and from both you should recieve some kind of punishment (I'm not talking about fines, jail or anything like that).
[/METAPHOR]
Playing games should be fun. I don't care if you cheat in single player games, but if you cheat online, you ruin others fun (as well as your own. You can't feel like achieving something on your own).
As for Joolz, he's an ok guy... anybody know Jessen? We used to be close friends.
edit: oh and by the way, try a google search on JezPuh. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Cheating Death will still be usable won’t it? I read in another article about cheating that CD is hard to circumvent so I hope it stays around.
And the cheat makers know darn well that they are the source of all the cheating problems. They know that punks will download their stuff and it only encourages them to keep on working on the cheats. And yeah, if there were laws against making cheats and cheaters, and these laws were enforced, then there would be way less cheaters around. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So if Joolz was playing to the cheater market so much, how do you explain the quote:
<!--QuoteBegin--PC Zone Issue 132+--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (PC Zone Issue 132)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "Ive sat there for hours on end, writing the thing (Metacheat)," he says bitterly.
"They've just downloaded their skills off a website."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He is obviously very bitter about people taking advantage of his work.
Also, he has built in back doors to disable the cheats if he so wants to, and early versions stole people's CD-Keys and stored them in an online database. He is, quite obviously, not playing to the cheater market. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Boo-frickety-hoo.
I heard the same pathetic sob story from some useless coder called viper who created wallhacks for cs. When he finally stopped, he posted a lovely little story about how he didnt condone cheating and didnt really want people to use his hacks online. My reply to that was BFS!
Thats like a man who creates a bullet specially made to penetrate police issue flak jackets. Every time the police upgrade their jackets, he upgrades his bullets to penetrate them. He then makes these bullets freely available to anyone who wants them - yet claims he in no way supports the shooting of cops. That man would be tried and jailed. Why the double standards for the producers of hacks?
If Joolz didnt want people using his hacks online - then wth did he make them downloadable? Why didnt he just make em at home and keep em at home if its just a hobby of his? Face it - despite this pathetic crawling, creators of cheats need to be socked as hard in the balls as the users of cheats. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
And by the way.. people keep forgetting it's just a freaking game.
I would go as far as to say that anyone who admits to cheating/hacking should be banned from Constellation, NS and its forums - just my opinion =3
I've said my piece now and will be silent. My views won't change and neither will the pro cheaters'
ps.
was my pee metaphor the best?
...The problem is that if the source code is available, it is easy to VAC proof it since(according to the cheaters) VAC only uses string search for finding most cheats. Hence you only need to mess with some of the aliases used or whatever...
This means that anyone at all can just download the source, read a tutorial, warez microsoft visual C++ or some other compiler and fiddle a bit and tadaa.
I wish the VAC people(or person most likely) would just give in and work with the Cheating-Death people or punkbuster.
And the cheat makers know darn well that they are the source of all the cheating problems. They know that punks will download their stuff and it only encourages them to keep on working on the cheats. And yeah, if there were laws against making cheats and cheaters, and these laws were enforced, then there would be way less cheaters around. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So if Joolz was playing to the cheater market so much, how do you explain the quote:
<!--QuoteBegin--PC Zone Issue 132+--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (PC Zone Issue 132)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "Ive sat there for hours on end, writing the thing (Metacheat)," he says bitterly.
"They've just downloaded their skills off a website."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He is obviously very bitter about people taking advantage of his work.
Also, he has built in back doors to disable the cheats if he so wants to, and early versions stole people's CD-Keys and stored them in an online database. He is, quite obviously, not playing to the cheater market. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Boo-frickety-hoo.
I heard the same pathetic sob story from some useless coder called viper who created wallhacks for cs. When he finally stopped, he posted a lovely little story about how he didnt condone cheating and didnt really want people to use his hacks online. My reply to that was BFS!
Thats like a man who creates a bullet specially made to penetrate police issue flak jackets. Every time the police upgrade their jackets, he upgrades his bullets to penetrate them. He then makes these bullets freely available to anyone who wants them - yet claims he in no way supports the shooting of cops. That man would be tried and jailed. Why the double standards for the producers of hacks?
If Joolz didnt want people using his hacks online - then wth did he make them downloadable? Why didnt he just make em at home and keep em at home if its just a hobby of his? Face it - despite this pathetic crawling, creators of cheats need to be socked as hard in the balls as the users of cheats. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And by the way.. people keep forgetting it's just a freaking game. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That doesnt justify ruining peoples experience over the internet. Yeah REAL people.
Marine01's metaphor is bulletproof (pun).
And Jezpuz, I've always known you had the cheater mentality.
He posted some kind of public statement that he was stopping production of JC / MC for some reason or another. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I believe he said he will still code them part time because valve won't respond to his emails. He claims if they put him on part time as an anti-cheat guy he'd stop most the cheats. (as most are his)