Time Limit Killed The Most Awesome Comeback Ever!

ViPr

<div class="IPBDescription">why why why why why why!?!? ?!? !?! ?!</div> we were having a match on osmsiege. the marines sieged all the hives dead. the last surviving alien players hid with cloaking until they could all go onos (about 5 or 6 of them). then they blitzkrieged the siege position wiping it out. we got all the hives back and proceeded to take back the map. then the match ended without us knowing who won. it totally sucked. i thought Flayra was against time limits ending games which is why a level doesn't load in the middle of a match like in some stupid mods.

Killbert

My guess is that the server admin was on the other team, and changed the level...

ViPr

it changed at exactly 45 minutes into the match

XCan

Timelimits shouldn't be ending a match. Maybe they had some plugin?

SjN

it only happens if mp_tournamentmode is 1

edit;
if you want to play the scrim with no time limit, set the mp_timelimit to 9999

almost all leagues set it to 45 tho

ViPr

why would anyone in their right mind want a time limit that ends the match in a game that is not a sports game?

SjN

clan matches/scrims don't usually last longer then 20 minutes anyway

ViPr

that is no excuse for having a time limit especially when such a thing is so easy for the programmers to disable and Flayra has already proven he can disable it coz he did it for non tournament mode.

SjN

you can disable it. mp_timelimit 999
problem solved.

ViPr

admins don't have the time to learn all the different settings they have to change when they first install NS. i mean they already have loads of other things they have learn to change such as autoconcede raised to like 8 from 4 and the map change timer changed down to about 20. by the time they realize they should have changed the settings it's too late. a really good match is ruined or people are otherwise somehow annoyed. i bet you cannot find one person that was not annoyed by the autoconcede amount being so small and the map change timer being too large. it took ages for admins to figure out how to change those settings.

SjN

when they first install ns mp_tournamentmode is 0
so there's nothing to worry about, the game won't end in 45 minutes.

ViPr

ok now you're just being silly. and besides, tournament mode mode should be the default mode (maybe the only mode) if it didn't have that damn time limit. and team killers are not a problem at least on the server i was on because everytime someone is team killed then the victim has an automatic vote thing that pops up that asks them if they want to kick or forgive the killer. There are much better solutions to team-killers than just disabling friendly fire.

X_Illuminati

<!--QuoteBegin--ViPr+Jan 21 2004, 12:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ViPr @ Jan 21 2004, 12:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> admins don't have the time to learn all the different settings they have to change when they first install NS. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is ridiculous. Anyone who goes to the trouble to set up a dedicated server has the responsibility to make sure they know what every single line in their config does.
If I were to set up an FTP server and it got hacked because I didn’t know how to set up the config file not one person would feel sorry for me.
It is simply unacceptable to run any sort of server without fully understanding how it will work.

Megadeth

^AGREED

RaVe

<!--QuoteBegin--ViPr+Jan 21 2004, 11:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ViPr @ Jan 21 2004, 11:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> we were having a match on osmsiege. the marines sieged all the hives dead. the last surviving alien players hid with cloaking until they could all go onos (about 5 or 6 of them). then they blitzkrieged the siege position wiping it out. we got all the hives back and proceeded to take back the map. then the match ended without us knowing who won. it totally sucked. i thought Flayra was against time limits ending games which is why a level doesn't load in the middle of a match like in some stupid mods. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uhhh.....try and ask the admin....they <b>may</b> have installed the timelimit plugin. I heard it can be configured, and last I played on a server with it, it had game for at most 1 hour.

Tough luck ViPr

Gadzuko

If the server admin was intelligent enough to find the mp_tournamentmode variable, he/she could have changed the timelimit variable with just another couple second's work. It's not like the name isn't obvious and straightforward. This is hardly the dev team's fault.

Zek

It is an option presented to server admins, and your admin set a 45 minute time limit. Whether or not he did it out of ignorance is irrelevant. This has nothing to do with the devs.

Sizer

<!--QuoteBegin--X-Illuminati+Jan 21 2004, 02:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (X-Illuminati @ Jan 21 2004, 02:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--ViPr+Jan 21 2004, 12:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ViPr @ Jan 21 2004, 12:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> admins don't have the time to learn all the different settings they have to change when they first install NS. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is ridiculous. Anyone who goes to the trouble to set up a dedicated server has the responsibility to make sure they know what every single line in their config does.
If I were to set up an FTP server and it got hacked because I didn’t know how to set up the config file not one person would feel sorry for me.
It is simply unacceptable to run any sort of server without fully understanding how it will work. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
oh noe11

servar bashing!11 cannut do that -_-
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Last

was this a clan scrim, or were you pubbing? it's normal if it's a scrim, stupid if it's a pub.

Trayder

don't use mp_timelimit 9999, use mp_timelimit 0 (e.g. there is no time limit, just incase your about to make a fantastic comeback near the end of a 9999 minute game and the map changes)

Maveric

it IS partially the devs fault for having implemented 2 modes (why can't we just combine the two modes and remove the complication of two game modes?) with different options, but it's mainly the fault of the server admin for not changing the value to something higher, or mistakenly keeping tournament mode on after a match...

but as said before - maps dont change automatically unless it was tournament mode.

im_lost

<!--QuoteBegin-Trayder+Jan 21 2004, 04:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trayder @ Jan 21 2004, 04:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> don't use mp_timelimit 9999, use mp_timelimit 0 (e.g. there is no time limit, just incase your about to make a  fantastic comeback near the end of a 9999 minute game and the map changes) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, just in case your game lasts 166 hours, 39 minutes, or nearly 7 days. If your game goes that long, you probably NEED a time limit.

Edit: That is what my post said originally. Somehow it got completely changed, but when I went to edit it the original content was still there. Weird.

The_Epitome

ViPr, was that our server? We run ns_osmsiege and tournament mode. If I was playing, I probably would have set the new time limit, but usually those matches either end by that time or are boring stalemates. In your case, just say you won.

ViPr

it was the skulkrush.com veterans server. i like it coz it has lots of custom maps and is in tournament mode and it doesn't strip entities out of the maps. but there always has to be something wrong with a server doesn't there.

anyway. can admins please change the 3 settings i mentioned which cause much annoyance. one is the autoconcede being too low causing the match to end when a few people leave to go to the toilet or eat dinner or whatever. another is the timer than changes the level as long as there is not a match playing. it is set too high and when people have had an epic battle battle on one map and then it ends they don't want to go straight into playing the same map again. and about the tournament match time limit it shouldn't even be there so can admins please change those settings. better yet, can the devs set put the settings at better amounts because despite what some of you say most admins simply don't bother changing settings and they shouldn't have to anyway. those settings were just set to seriously wrong amounts when NS was released.

Bogglesteinsky

when the time limit is up, it does say who won, in the text box at the bottom. You have to be quick though, it doesn't appear for very long.

ViPr

i don't really give a damn what a text box says about who won! i want to see the win for myself by the total eradication of the enemy!

ThE_HeRo

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aww yea.

Daxx

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ApolloGX

vipr should be forced to unistall natural selection from his computer

because you are what we call

"dumb"

IBT

if you really really really want a quich game, go agains Blatent Aimbot Hacks, they wont hit the timelimit... i, unfortunely know from exp. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->

The_Epitome

<!--QuoteBegin-ApolloGX+Jan 29 2004, 09:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ApolloGX @ Jan 29 2004, 09:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> vipr should be forced to unistall natural selection from his computer

because you are what we call

"dumb" <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why is he dumb? Run that one past me again...