Why Rent A Server -- Rent A Computer!

NGOwnerNGOwner Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10543Members
edited April 2004 in General Server Discussion
<a href='http://www.thenetgamer.com/rentalrigs.php' target='_blank'>The Net Gamer</a> will rent you an entire computer, dedicated SOLELY and COMPLETELY to you. One computer. One client. Full Shell Access.

You control what game servers run. You control how many game servers run. You control what games to provide servers for. You control how many related applications run (Webserver, FTP Server, Voice Server, etc.). From the desktop of an OS that is familiar to most everyone: Microsoft Windows.

These are the specifications of our rental computers:

AMD Athlon 2200+ (minimum)
ASUS A7V8X-X Motherboard
512 MB PC2700 DDR RAM
30 GB UDMA/100 7200 RPM HD (minimum)
10/100 Onboard NIC
Windows 2000 Professional
3 Fully Routable, Static IP Addresses

We have six of these systems in stock presently, and we want to move them QUICKLY. The pricing for these systems at the listed bandwidth allocation is as follows:

1.5 Mb/s (a T1 worth) of unmetered bandwidth -- $99.99/mo.
3.0 Mb/s (two T1's worth) of unmetered bandwidth -- $149.99/mo.
5.0 Mb/s (over three T1's worth) of unmetered bandwidth --$199.99/mo.

Reference this post, and get the setup charge WAIVED.

The Net Gamer is located in Kansas City (<45 ms to Internet exchanges on both US coasts, <10 ms to Internet exchanges on both US borders), an optimal location for clans with members scattered throughout North America. Check your latency to our facility by pinging 66.28.23.65.

[NG]Owner
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  • voogruvoogru Naturally Modified (ex. NS programmer) Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1827Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    Hello,


    Could you please explain what "Unmetered" bandwidth is to me?

    I know its not the same thing as "Unlimited", but if its "Unmetered" then how do you charge them if they go over some limit?

    Thank you.
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  • Lightning_BlueLightning_Blue Sunny Domination Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10647Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Silver
    edited February 2004
    Unmetered (from what I see on his site) means you can pull a T1 (1.5 mb/sec) up and down constantly for a month and get 486 GB each way.

    So there would be no way to go over the limit since you can't burst.
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  • eagleceaglec Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9948Members, Constellation
    edited February 2004
    With metered access you might get 300gb a month limit but have your server sat on a 5Gb line allowing huge burst speeds. There is also the risk of horrendous bills if someone sneeks some high bandwidth app onto your server (H4X!) or if you use more than you thought. For example you have a website on the same box and host an avi file like the Start Wars Kid with pulled about a terabyte of data from waxy.org !

    With unmetered access you are safer because you have a bps limit meaning you cant use more than you pay for.

    Be very careful with bandwidth charges and surcharges when looking at rental companies, I have seen some that offer their servers as "ideal for HL game servers" for as little as £30/month and then give you 5Gb and then change £5 per 1Gb after that. When your average 16 player server will use 90gb/month or more you'd be looking at a £425/month surcharge!
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  • voogruvoogru Naturally Modified (ex. NS programmer) Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1827Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Lightning Blue+Feb 9 2004, 01:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lightning Blue @ Feb 9 2004, 01:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Unmetered (from what I see on his site) means you can pull a T1 (1.5 mb/sec) up and down constantly for a month and get 486 GB each way.

    So there would be no way to go over the limit since you can't burst. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Thanks for the clarification.

    <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • NGOwnerNGOwner Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10543Members
    What Lightning Blue said, with one minor clarification:

    The Net Gamer only throttles bandwidth from your Rental Rig to the Internet at large. We've never throttled bandwidth from the Internet to your Rental Rig. We've never really needed to.

    What that means in practice is that you can suck 1.25 Megabytes/s or more of transfer from Fileplanet to your Rental Rig for that game update, or server program, or demo game you want to set up a server for. But you can only push that same file at 193 Kilobytes/s from you system to your buddies.

    What it also means is that if you **** someone off in your server and they try to get even through a DOS of some kind, they'll have a harder time given that the inbound isn't capped.

    And you will never get a bandwidth bill from us. Your monthly cost is the same regardless of how much bandwidth you use.

    [NG]Owner
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  • NGOwnerNGOwner Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10543Members
    Bump ... Who wants one?

    [NG]Owner
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  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    Is it true you use Cogent networking? If so, isn't this a disadvantage?
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  • voogruvoogru Naturally Modified (ex. NS programmer) Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1827Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    edited February 2004
    Seems they use cogent, I dont know much about them, but I never hear good things about them. I know that they are cheap bandwidth providers and thats about it.

    <!--c1--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1-->Tracing route to 66.28.23.65 over a maximum of 30 hops

     1    31 ms    32 ms    15 ms  adsl-219-13-1.mia.bellsouth.net [68.219.13.1]
     2    15 ms    16 ms    15 ms  209.215.49.97
     3     *       16 ms    16 ms  209.215.49.45
     4    31 ms    15 ms    16 ms  axr01mia-1-3-1.bellsouth.net [65.83.237.14]
     5    15 ms    16 ms    16 ms  pxr00mia-1-0-0.bellsouth.net [65.83.236.20]
     6    16 ms    15 ms    16 ms  65.57.174.1
     7    16 ms    31 ms    16 ms  so-7-0-0.mp2.Miami1.Level3.net [4.68.112.45]
     8    47 ms    47 ms    47 ms  so-0-0-0.bbr1.Washington1.Level3.net [64.159.1.2]
     9    32 ms    47 ms    46 ms  so-6-0-0.edge2.Washington1.Level3.net [64.159.3.62]
    10    31 ms    63 ms    47 ms  cogent-level3-oc48.Washington1.Level3.net [4.68.127.10]
    11    47 ms    47 ms    31 ms  p1-0.core01.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.2.197]
    12    47 ms    46 ms    32 ms  p15-0.core02.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.22]
    13    63 ms    47 ms    46 ms  p6-0.core01.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.82]
    14    62 ms    47 ms    47 ms  p15-0.core02.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.14]
    15    63 ms    78 ms    78 ms  p14-0.core02.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.86]
    16    78 ms    78 ms    63 ms  p12-0.core01.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.33]
    17    78 ms    62 ms    79 ms  g49.ba01.b005948-0.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.5.90]
    18    78 ms    78 ms    63 ms  66.28.23.65

    Trace complete.<!--c2--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--ec2-->

    (I got the ip from here: <a href='http://www.thenetgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=418)' target='_blank'>http://www.thenetgamer.com/forums/showthre...p?threadid=418)</a>
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  • GauisGauis Join Date: 2003-06-17 Member: 17425Members
    Just as kinda a plug for netgamer.. I have a server through them and everything seems pretty decent, I have a very low price package though 16 man server. Any problem I have had has been resolved very quickly by the staff at netgamer even the couple nub admin problems i have had. They are in my opinion a very good place to get a server from... but If you do get one tell them the guys from Dunkel Verkwelt sent ya lol...
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  • jplovejplove Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17475Members
    We are currently renting a system from NetGamer and are running two 20 person NS servers on it. We're paying $100/mo for their service and have not had any issues with them at all. My pings range from 40ms-60ms with one server full and around 60-90 with both servers full.
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  • NGOwnerNGOwner Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10543Members
    We still have several of our Rental Rigs ready for you. Email or call us if you want one for your very own NS server!

    [NG]Owner
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  • NGOwnerNGOwner Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10543Members
    Screw the setup charge! We've got about five XP2200s available, so get em while the getting's good!

    [NG]Owner

    P.S. For those of you who are interested, we've also changed the pricing on our gameservers. Check out our new pricing <a href='http://www.thenetgamer.com/hlgsp.php' target='_blank'>here</a>.
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  • tsnHelloKittytsnHelloKitty Join Date: 2004-02-21 Member: 26752Members, Constellation
    edited March 2004
    [NG]Owner, you have awesome prices, and an excellent, easy-to-use setup process, but I have some questions for you that I couldn't find answers to on your site:

    - Windows or Linux servers? What version OS?
    - Will the HLDS process auto-restart if it crashes? (is it set up like a Windows service?)
    - How many servers do you install per box, per CPU, and/or per NIC, with this new pricing scheme? (I know what you said in the first post...does that still apply?)
    - Can you guarantee a maximum average latency, or something of the sort? (I realize this is probably not possible, since latency depends a lot on the client connections, but can you offer any sort of guarantee that your cogent bandwidth can meet the low-latency demands of a decent server? High bandwidth alone does not guarantee consistent low latency. Do you have client testimonials, or even better, IP addresses of existing clients?)

    Thanks for any response!
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  • NGOwnerNGOwner Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10543Members
    edited March 2004
    I think your questions are mixing and matching products. But let me answer them as best I can.

    1) The OS, whether Rental Rigs or Gameserver Rental, is W2KPro.

    2) For Gameserver Rental, yes. Although there are times when the server hangs, or zombies, and the service doesn't go down, although your server does. In that case you have web access to manually restart your servers. For Rental Rigs, you can set up your server any way you like. Use FireDaemon, or ServerDoc, or any other program or coding to monitor the server you set up. The world is your oyster.

    3) For Gameserver Rental, we don't limit it by number of servers, rather by number of players in aggregate. That number will vary by the strength of the CPUs, and the demands of the mod being hosted. It can range from two to six servers, from 32 aggregate player slots to over 100. <a href='http://www.thenetgamer.com/hardware.php' target='_blank'>These are the specs</a> of our Gamerserver Rental computers. For Rental Rigs, it's up to you how many servers you want to run. Bring the CPU (listed in my first post in this thread) to its knees for all we care. It's for you to decide.

    4) Have your clan members run a trace to our router: 66.28.23.65. That will give you and idea of how their latency is to our servers. And no, there is no latency guarantee, but we do guarantee availability of the systems. If you want to play in a game, check out 66.28.23.76:27025

    [NG]Owner
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  • tsnHelloKittytsnHelloKitty Join Date: 2004-02-21 Member: 26752Members, Constellation
    Sweet, thanks for the detailed answers and the clarification. If we do end up bringing up a server, I'm sure one of your rentals or dedicated servers will be at the top of our list.
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  • DEADscottDEADscott Join Date: 2003-03-29 Member: 15022Members, Constellation
    edited March 2004
    Just set up a server with NG. Took my phone order and our server was up 10 minutes later. Everything seems sweet so far. I will update in a month to let you guys know how it goes.

    [edit] IP 66.28.23.88:27035 [/edit]
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  • NGOwnerNGOwner Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10543Members
    Bump. Plenty of space (and Rental Rigs) available!!

    [NG]Owner
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  • MrSaturn1MrSaturn1 Join Date: 2004-02-26 Member: 26920Members, Constellation
    edited April 2004
    I just rented one (a game server) today, and its pinging around 59 (empty, but still low) 66.28.23.73:27025 if you want to look at it... God knows the prices are lower then what recon gamer and griffin run charges. lol
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  • NGOwnerNGOwner Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10543Members
    Plenty of space available for your NS servers. And we've got four setup-free Rental Rigs available fo your gaming pleasure.

    Step right up!!

    [NG]Owner
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  • QwertyQwerty Join Date: 2003-06-30 Member: 17817Members
    might want to relink the first post or put something here
    <a href='http://www.thenetgamer.com/rentalrigs.shtml' target='_blank'>http://www.thenetgamer.com/rentalrigs.shtml</a>
    [NG]
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  • NGOwnerNGOwner Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10543Members
    Doh! Thanks for the head's up.

    The link has been corrected. And for those who just don't want to scroll all the way back up to the top to click the link, here it is again:

    <a href='http://www.thenetgamer.com/rentalrigs.php' target='_blank'>http://www.thenetgamer.com/rentalrigs.php</a>

    [NG]Owner
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  • Ph33rPh33r Join Date: 2003-08-22 Member: 20076Members, Constellation
    If you knock the setup fee off of the anthlon i would do it... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> Reply back here or email me at jdadkins@thereapers.net with details.
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  • NGOwnerNGOwner Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10543Members
    (Spoken like the Soup Nazi)

    "No Setup For You!"

    [NG]Owner
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  • NGOwnerNGOwner Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10543Members
    We're dealing again ... so give us a call or send us an email.

    We'll hook you up!

    [NG]Owner
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  • NGOwnerNGOwner Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10543Members
    Schwing ... bump!

    [NG]Owner
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  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    I accepted it so far, but the bumping is getting a little obnoxious. If someone truly searches for a server offer around here, (s)he'll find this thread easily enough.

    <span style='color:red'>***Locked.***</span>
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