All you underground hip-hop junkies, post your favorite artists/songs. Please don't discuss any mainstream artists (ludacris, 50cent, eminem). Let's see how many NS'ers know what real hip hop is.
I've always liked underground stuff, it was always just hard for me to find. The only stuff I've found is by Binary Star, especially "Honest Expression"
underground = cool = good as opposed to mainstream = sucks because it's mainstream = bad.
I mean what's the big deal? People start to hate whatever group because they just got mentionned wherever or sold X amount of cd's too much for their liking?
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<!--QuoteBegin-Cereal_KillR+Feb 10 2004, 03:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cereal_KillR @ Feb 10 2004, 03:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And once again we can see how:
underground = cool = good as opposed to mainstream = sucks because it's mainstream = bad.
I mean what's the big deal? People start to hate whatever group because they just got mentionned wherever or sold X amount of cd's too much for their liking? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> while it is almost one of those "anti-conformist conformities"..
you have to ask yourself:
does 50 cent suck? if you like him, i'm sorry.
didn't agree with that one? ok. does <i>kelis</i> suck? if you like her, i am not sorry.
a lot of mainstream sucks most hearitly, man... but some = not all. i've loved outkast since their first release, and they've just gotten better and better.
Hmm nope not really. I'm recently starting to listen to hip-hop/rap whatever. I don't care for the lyrics, but the beat gives me a good driving/racing feel. That's all.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cereal_KillR+Feb 11 2004, 12:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cereal_KillR @ Feb 11 2004, 12:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And once again we can see how:
underground = cool = good as opposed to mainstream = sucks because it's mainstream = bad.
I mean what's the big deal? People start to hate whatever group because they just got mentionned wherever or sold X amount of cd's too much for their liking? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> and once again I failed to notice any hate in any of the posts BEFORE yours?
<!--QuoteBegin-Moquiao+Feb 10 2004, 09:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Moquiao @ Feb 10 2004, 09:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> as for 'underground' kanye west was good b4 he went all 'mo money' <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm still quite a fan.
He produced 3 or 4 of the best songs on The Black Album.
<!--QuoteBegin-ZiGGY^+Feb 11 2004, 04:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ZiGGY^ @ Feb 11 2004, 04:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cereal_KillR+Feb 11 2004, 12:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cereal_KillR @ Feb 11 2004, 12:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And once again we can see how:
underground = cool = good as opposed to mainstream = sucks because it's mainstream = bad.
I mean what's the big deal? People start to hate whatever group because they just got mentionned wherever or sold X amount of cd's too much for their liking? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> and once again I failed to notice any hate in any of the posts BEFORE yours? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm sorry it's just that people seem to hate them just for being mainstream. You'd hear people "only like them when they weren't known" (as has already been mentionned) and I've been yelled at for giving a System cd (Steal this album) as a gift to someone who loved their first CD but now hates them because they are famed since Toxicity. (Not as in hates them because of the new cd, just because they're known now) I mean you give a CD as a gift and get yelled at and be asked a refund instead? Especially when you made sure they'd like it?
Oh and I don't listen to hip hop that much at all anyway <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
(ps:
"Please don't discuss any mainstream artists (ludacris, 50cent, eminem). Let's see how many NS'ers know what real hip hop is. " seems to indeed prove my point, as well as "And although you said no Eminem, his <b>old stuff</b> is really good")
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<!--QuoteBegin-Duff-Man+Feb 10 2004, 09:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Duff-Man @ Feb 10 2004, 09:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Blackstar, Jaylib, and Deltron 3030 are my favorites. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hell yeah man. Deltron 3030 is awesome.
"I wanna design a virus to bring dire straits to your environment, crushin' corporations with a mild touch, trash your whole computer system and revert you to papyrus
I wanna design a virus strong enough to cause blackouts in every major metropolis cause they don't want to unify us so **** it, total anarchy and can't nobody stop us"
I like his del the funkee homosapien stuff also. More traditional subject matter with the same great style.
I don't know if you would consider Jurassic 5 underground or not, but they are also awesome.
hello, my name is aaarrrgh, I'm 20 years old, and I'm a hiphop addict.
I buy around 7-8 albums every month, and I honestly couldn't live without my music. As of late, I've been listening to Little Brother - The Listening. Their cd was released early last year, and strangely enough, it has not left my cd player since then. Their style is best described as a mixture of ATCQ and Pete Rock. They have this excellent early 90s sound, and I would recommend their music to everyone. Truly one of the hiphop groups that I find to be universally listenable.
Plus, I can only be happy for 9th wonder's succes (if you don't know what I'm talking about, it's really just another reason to get in touch with their music). <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Other recent favorites include Lyrics Born, whose album, Later That Day, was one of the most funky things to come out last year, Danger Mouse & Gemini - Ghetto Pop Life, Diverse - One A.M., Hieroglyphics - Full Circle (Del and Souls of Mischief fans shouldn't sleep on this), soul position - 8 million stories, and LOADS of other albums.
I'm currently looking forward to hearing Kanye West's new album, College Dropout, the new cLOUDDEAD, Blockhead's debut album (the guy who produced most of Aesop Rock's Labor Days - see <a href='http://www.ninjatune.net/blockhead/' target='_blank'>this</a>), El-P's Jazz debut (!), the Murs / 9th Wonder collabo (it'll be hot as hell), and naturally, Gift Of Gab's Solo debut, <i>4th Dimensional rocketships going up</i>. In fact, I can't wait for the last album.
To me, it honestly doesn't matter if one artist is popular or not. I love The Roots. I love OutKast. I love Talib Kweli, Common and Mos Def, even though they've all received loads of airplay. Hell, as I've mentioned, I also quite like Kanye West. He's a great producer (listen to Talib Kweli - Get By or Dilated Peoples - This way if you doubt that) and his smooth rapping often suits my mood. What does matter to me, however, is the motive. And I think that 50 cent is a prime example of this. If you listen to his old mixtape stuff, it's pretty evident that he has dumbed down GRODT. For better sales? Undoubtedly. And that's something I can't really respect. I'll go even further and say that this is what is wrong with hiphop. No, that's what's wrong with music in general.
Sadly, loads of artists (both underground and mainstream. Esoteric and Jedi Mind Tricks comes to my mind as well) haven't realised that it's not about making money. It's about the Music. And not a damn thing else.
EDIT: And right now I'm listening to The Strange Fruit Project. Great smooth jazzy hiphop. See <a href='http://www.strangefruitproject.com/' target='_blank'>this</a> for their site, and peep <a href='http://www.strangefruitproject.com/fruit/songs/keep%20it%20mov.mp3' target='_blank'>this</a> for a free and <b>legal</b> mp3 from one of their albums. There are several songs on their webpage worth getting.
Now thats What I call a real NS hip hop junkie. I looked through my old cds and found some Aceyalone CD's. Good stuff. I also want to check out that new Kayne West CD. Anyone recommend it? <3 Hip Hop </3 mainstream(most of the time).
<!--QuoteBegin-TeKniKaL+Feb 11 2004, 08:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TeKniKaL @ Feb 11 2004, 08:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I also want to check out that new Kayne West CD. Anyone recommend it? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, I do. It's a pretty good CD.
<!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+Feb 12 2004, 05:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ Feb 12 2004, 05:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-TeKniKaL+Feb 11 2004, 08:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TeKniKaL @ Feb 11 2004, 08:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I also want to check out that new Kayne West CD. Anyone recommend it? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, I do. It's a pretty good CD. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i second that reccomendation.
was watchin an interview with kanye, where he said;
' go out, download my records. and if you really like them if you feel the music, then buy the album, and if you dont like it. well at least you will have heard my music. '
this is why i seem to 'respect' rap more then rock in this one.. rock is all money mwhadh, rap sees that it aint that easy if you know what i mean,...
and yeah i know kanye is good.. still is.. but his style changed.. put on his first album, then his last and tell me u dont hear a different 'style'
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Blackstar, Jaylib, Kanye West (That picture on his newest album is funny), Danger Mouse and Jemini, Chino XL and Murs (I think the one who did Varsity Blues). Oh yea Immortal Techinique, that cat can spit some <b>DEEP</b> ****, especially "Dance with the devil".
I'm also a big fan of De La Soul, Camp Lo (even though you can't understand them sometimes) ATCQ and Pete Rock.
Is this rumor about ATCQ coming out with a new album true? Someone confirm this please.
BizZy | 9mm Messiah: They are. Look for the single ICU which has already been released.
In other news: I received <a href='http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/r/rock_pete/hip-hop-underground-soul-classics.shtml' target='_blank'>Pete Rock: Lost & Found</a> today. I've been on the lookout for this for some time, and only recently managed to track down a copy. It's a double disc featuring collaboes with him, a group called Ini, and a guy named Deda. While Deda isn't the most impressive rapper, InI certainly entertains beyond what's expected. Great smooth production, and the rap fits as well.
Ahh, so some people around here listen to Aesop Rock too.
Man, some of the stuff he raps about is just utterly unintelligible though. I can't understand it at all, but it just makes so much sense at the same time. I dunno, but it sounds great and all flows together, I forgot to add him in as another favorite of mine.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ahh, so some people around here listen to Aesop Rock too.
Man, some of the stuff he raps about is just utterly unintelligible though. I can't understand it at all, but it just makes so much sense at the same time. I dunno, but it sounds great and all flows together, I forgot to add him in as another favorite of mine. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, his music is unorthodox at times, but when you actually read some of his lyrics, you seem to wonder where he gets his inspiration from. I especially like his single (i think its on Bazooka Tooth CD), Daylight.
<!--QuoteBegin-TeKniKaL+Feb 12 2004, 10:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TeKniKaL @ Feb 12 2004, 10:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ahh, so some people around here listen to Aesop Rock too.
Man, some of the stuff he raps about is just utterly unintelligible though. I can't understand it at all, but it just makes so much sense at the same time. I dunno, but it sounds great and all flows together, I forgot to add him in as another favorite of mine. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, his music is unorthodox at times, but when you actually read some of his lyrics, you seem to wonder where he gets his inspiration from. I especially like his single (i think its on Bazooka Tooth CD), Daylight. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That might be on the Daylight EP. Check out the song Night Light, too.
What about Big L? Anyone into him? Might not be completely underground, but I feel it.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->EDIT: And right now I'm listening to The Strange Fruit Project. Great smooth jazzy hiphop. See this for their site, and peep this for a free and legal mp3 from one of their albums. There are several songs on their webpage worth getting. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow, I just listened to their music on their site. I just ordered both of their cds. Good stuff.
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I also really like Tech n9ne. And although you said no Eminem, his old stuff is really good. (I like his Infinate album)
underground = cool = good
as opposed to
mainstream = sucks because it's mainstream = bad.
I mean what's the big deal? People start to hate whatever group because they just got mentionned wherever or sold X amount of cd's too much for their liking?
underground = cool = good
as opposed to
mainstream = sucks because it's mainstream = bad.
I mean what's the big deal? People start to hate whatever group because they just got mentionned wherever or sold X amount of cd's too much for their liking? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
while it is almost one of those "anti-conformist conformities"..
you have to ask yourself:
does 50 cent suck? if you like him, i'm sorry.
didn't agree with that one? ok. does <i>kelis</i> suck? if you like her, i am not sorry.
a lot of mainstream sucks most hearitly, man... but some = not all. i've loved outkast since their first release, and they've just gotten better and better.
But I wouldn't say "OMGZ ONLEE UDNERGRUOND HIP-HAP IZ TRU HIP-HAP!!!11"
underground = cool = good
as opposed to
mainstream = sucks because it's mainstream = bad.
I mean what's the big deal? People start to hate whatever group because they just got mentionned wherever or sold X amount of cd's too much for their liking? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
and once again I failed to notice any hate in any of the posts BEFORE yours?
no.
as for 'underground' kanye west was good b4 he went all 'mo money'
I'm still quite a fan.
He produced 3 or 4 of the best songs on The Black Album.
underground = cool = good
as opposed to
mainstream = sucks because it's mainstream = bad.
I mean what's the big deal? People start to hate whatever group because they just got mentionned wherever or sold X amount of cd's too much for their liking? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
and once again I failed to notice any hate in any of the posts BEFORE yours? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm sorry it's just that people seem to hate them just for being mainstream. You'd hear people "only like them when they weren't known" (as has already been mentionned) and I've been yelled at for giving a System cd (Steal this album) as a gift to someone who loved their first CD but now hates them because they are famed since Toxicity. (Not as in hates them because of the new cd, just because they're known now) I mean you give a CD as a gift and get yelled at and be asked a refund instead? Especially when you made sure they'd like it?
Oh and I don't listen to hip hop that much at all anyway <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
(ps:
"Please don't discuss any mainstream artists (ludacris, 50cent, eminem). Let's see how many NS'ers know what real hip hop is. " seems to indeed prove my point, as well as "And although you said no Eminem, his <b>old stuff</b> is really good")
Hell yeah man. Deltron 3030 is awesome.
"I wanna design a virus
to bring dire straits to your environment,
crushin' corporations with a mild touch,
trash your whole computer system and revert you to papyrus
I wanna design a virus
strong enough to cause blackouts in every major metropolis
cause they don't want to unify us
so **** it, total anarchy and can't nobody stop us"
I like his del the funkee homosapien stuff also. More traditional subject matter with the same great style.
I don't know if you would consider Jurassic 5 underground or not, but they are also awesome.
I buy around 7-8 albums every month, and I honestly couldn't live without my music. As of late, I've been listening to Little Brother - The Listening. Their cd was released early last year, and strangely enough, it has not left my cd player since then. Their style is best described as a mixture of ATCQ and Pete Rock. They have this excellent early 90s sound, and I would recommend their music to everyone. Truly one of the hiphop groups that I find to be universally listenable.
Plus, I can only be happy for 9th wonder's succes (if you don't know what I'm talking about, it's really just another reason to get in touch with their music). <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Other recent favorites include Lyrics Born, whose album, Later That Day, was one of the most funky things to come out last year, Danger Mouse & Gemini - Ghetto Pop Life, Diverse - One A.M., Hieroglyphics - Full Circle (Del and Souls of Mischief fans shouldn't sleep on this), soul position - 8 million stories, and LOADS of other albums.
I'm currently looking forward to hearing Kanye West's new album, College Dropout, the new cLOUDDEAD, Blockhead's debut album (the guy who produced most of Aesop Rock's Labor Days - see <a href='http://www.ninjatune.net/blockhead/' target='_blank'>this</a>), El-P's Jazz debut (!), the Murs / 9th Wonder collabo (it'll be hot as hell), and naturally, Gift Of Gab's Solo debut, <i>4th Dimensional rocketships going up</i>. In fact, I can't wait for the last album.
To me, it honestly doesn't matter if one artist is popular or not. I love The Roots. I love OutKast. I love Talib Kweli, Common and Mos Def, even though they've all received loads of airplay. Hell, as I've mentioned, I also quite like Kanye West. He's a great producer (listen to Talib Kweli - Get By or Dilated Peoples - This way if you doubt that) and his smooth rapping often suits my mood. What does matter to me, however, is the motive. And I think that 50 cent is a prime example of this. If you listen to his old mixtape stuff, it's pretty evident that he has dumbed down GRODT. For better sales? Undoubtedly. And that's something I can't really respect. I'll go even further and say that this is what is wrong with hiphop. No, that's what's wrong with music in general.
Sadly, loads of artists (both underground and mainstream. Esoteric and Jedi Mind Tricks comes to my mind as well) haven't realised that it's not about making money. It's about the Music. And not a damn thing else.
EDIT: And right now I'm listening to The Strange Fruit Project. Great smooth jazzy hiphop. See <a href='http://www.strangefruitproject.com/' target='_blank'>this</a> for their site, and peep <a href='http://www.strangefruitproject.com/fruit/songs/keep%20it%20mov.mp3' target='_blank'>this</a> for a free and <b>legal</b> mp3 from one of their albums. There are several songs on their webpage worth getting.
Yes, I do. It's a pretty good CD.
Yes, I do. It's a pretty good CD. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
i second that reccomendation.
was watchin an interview with kanye, where he said;
' go out, download my records. and if you really like them if you feel the music, then buy the album, and if you dont like it. well at least you will have heard my music. '
this is why i seem to 'respect' rap more then rock in this one.. rock is all money mwhadh, rap sees that it aint that easy if you know what i mean,...
and yeah i know kanye is good.. still is.. but his style changed.. put on his first album, then his last and tell me u dont hear a different 'style'
I'm also a big fan of De La Soul, Camp Lo (even though you can't understand them sometimes) ATCQ and Pete Rock.
Is this rumor about ATCQ coming out with a new album true? Someone confirm this please.
In other news: I received <a href='http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/r/rock_pete/hip-hop-underground-soul-classics.shtml' target='_blank'>Pete Rock: Lost & Found</a> today. I've been on the lookout for this for some time, and only recently managed to track down a copy. It's a double disc featuring collaboes with him, a group called Ini, and a guy named Deda. While Deda isn't the most impressive rapper, InI certainly entertains beyond what's expected. Great smooth production, and the rap fits as well.
Pete Rock is truly the greatest of all time.
Man, some of the stuff he raps about is just utterly unintelligible though. I can't understand it at all, but it just makes so much sense at the same time. I dunno, but it sounds great and all flows together, I forgot to add him in as another favorite of mine.
Man, some of the stuff he raps about is just utterly unintelligible though. I can't understand it at all, but it just makes so much sense at the same time. I dunno, but it sounds great and all flows together, I forgot to add him in as another favorite of mine. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, his music is unorthodox at times, but when you actually read some of his lyrics, you seem to wonder where he gets his inspiration from. I especially like his single (i think its on Bazooka Tooth CD), Daylight.
Man, some of the stuff he raps about is just utterly unintelligible though. I can't understand it at all, but it just makes so much sense at the same time. I dunno, but it sounds great and all flows together, I forgot to add him in as another favorite of mine. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, his music is unorthodox at times, but when you actually read some of his lyrics, you seem to wonder where he gets his inspiration from. I especially like his single (i think its on Bazooka Tooth CD), Daylight. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That might be on the Daylight EP. Check out the song Night Light, too.
What about Big L? Anyone into him? Might not be completely underground, but I feel it.
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Wow, I just listened to their music on their site. I just ordered both of their cds. Good stuff.