Very Dissapointed - Constellation

TealTeal Join Date: 2004-02-16 Member: 26598Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">Constellation membership</div> Hello,

I am wondering if anyone has suffered such poor customer service in their Constellation sign up?

I signed up on January 26th 2004 and the money was taken from my PayPal account on the same day.

But I have still not received an official welcome email and still do not have an icon next to my name. I cannot even get access to the Constellation section of the forums <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->.

I have sent many emails with my Steam ID and email address but to no avail. Am I the only unlucky one or is this how all Constellation members are treated?

I think it is shocking that when a dedicated NS player contributes for the greater good of the game the money is simply taken and no response is given.

Very dissapointed. Teal

Comments

  • VerthandiVerthandi Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10687Members, NS1 Playtester
    edited February 2004
    Perhaps Flayra was busy preparing Beta3?

    He's on vacation in Vancouver (from the 10th until the 24th, if I remember correctly), so I wouldn't be expecting a response.

    Just sit tight, he'll get around to it.

    Oh, and welcome to the Forums. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • PseudoKnightPseudoKnight Join Date: 2002-06-18 Member: 791Members
    Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but isn't the point of constellation to donate money to Flayra for his continuuing efforts in developing NS and not to buy an icon?
  • ikirikir Join Date: 2003-07-19 Member: 18265Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Gold
    Try to wait a little more! And welcome to the forums!
  • DC_DarklingDC_Darkling Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18068Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver
    also we all have problems with the icons.

    Ok not all, but the recent new constellies (like me) have lost there icon for a reason. but we don't nag. (exept the topic about what the ell was going on, but we don't mind when it gets fixed, only that it eventually does)

    I say you also get that mentality. Don't care about the fact that there is a prob, know it will resolve shortly.
  • ArawnArawn Join Date: 2003-02-01 Member: 12954Members
    Well, I could be wrong about a couple of things, but I think Teal's point is that the team (I dont know who or how many people handle Constellation stuff) didn't have any problem taking his money as soon as they noticed it was available, yet they still haven't given him any Constellation benefits. Someone said that the point was to donate money to benefit the team and not to benefit yourself. Wrong. If that was all it was about then I'm sure they wouldn't have wasted time implementing all of these Constellation bonuses.

    I know I would be **** off too, it would be different if they were just taking a long time to do anything about his account at all. According to him, his money was taken on the very day he signed up but someone was and is too lazy to add him. Well, I'm not sure why I'm replying since I wouldn't be caught dead shelling out money just to get the teams attention/elevate my own prestige. We already have too many favored groups out there like Veteran, Playtesters, Beta Server Ops, Constellation, and just being in a clan gets you noticed.

    Could someone please explain to me how you get to be a veteran and what they're supposed to do? Obviously you don't get to be one solely on the basis of having a long "service" record (assuming thats even a factor), so why complicate everything? The fact that NS is steadily becoming less fun since like..v2.0 (NS Combat blows by the way) or whatever, doesnt help matters. What used to be just a touch of elitism and estrangement in the NS "community" is all but impossible to ignore these days. I think we need a rollback to v1.04 or even further, I honestly can't see what went wrong, but NS definitely isn't as fun as it used to be.
  • VenmochVenmoch Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1093Members
    The whole point is you <b>DONATE</b> to constellation. The things you are given are not a god-given right. Its just a way to say thank you for donating.

    You do not <b>buy</b> access to the Constie forum or the icon. It is given to you as a way of saying thank you.
  • ArawnArawn Join Date: 2003-02-01 Member: 12954Members
    Dude, lets face it, you're buying Constellation benefits. You float some cash their way and they dole out the benefits. It's pretty much a god-given right, if everyone here donated money and then the NS team was like 'uh..we dont feel like giving you Constellation crap' you would be PI SSED. Constellation is not just a thank-you, it's being used to get more donations; when you donate money it is EXPECTED that you get Constellation benefits, and everyone always does. So there you have it, contrary to the general trend of portraying Flayra as some kind of God, the devteam invented Constellation so more people would give them more money, and it's working.
  • Night_ShadeNight_Shade Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14985Members, Constellation
    edited February 2004
    It's attitudes like the above poster's that I feel diminish the significance of Constellation.

    Tell me, Arawn, what of those of us that donated before we had any idea what the benefits would be (a group, I might add, which I am proud to be a member of)?

    Constellation has always been those of us who donated to the NS project willingly. The icon and forum has always been Flayra's little thank-you. Show a little gratitude that there's even an NS you can play.

    Charlie, if you're reading, this, there are still those of us out here that donated because we love NS, not because we wanted an icon.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Sorry Arawan, but we do not put the word 'donation' up for no reason. The icon and further benefits are not the aim of the system - if someone signs up under this impression, we're sorry, but you can't really blame us for not warning you.

    In any case, Charlie does of course try to keep the database up to date, but this part of the process is strictly manual - he inserts <i>all</i> data by hand - while the PayPal part of the transaction is automatical, which is why the money was immediately taken from the account.
    As others already indicated, there were technical problems with the database that Charlie only managed to temporarily fix before going on vacation. Teal, I'd suggest you resubmit your information to <a href='mailto:constellation-admin@natural-selection.org'>constellation-admin@natural-selection.org</a>. He'll will do his best adding your information as soon as he returns from his vacation.
    As for the Constellation forum, PM me if you want me to give you the password.
  • ArawnArawn Join Date: 2003-02-01 Member: 12954Members
    edited February 2004
    You're just as bad as the rest of them, the fact that you donated without knowing what you were going to get only makes you look stupid. Your post implies that you knew there would be SOME reward, but you didn't know what it was exactly. If you really wanted to be selfless and charitable you would have donated before anyone knew that anyone was going to get anything for donating.

    Hmm.. "before anyone knew that anyone was going to get anything"? You mean there was a time when the devteam accepted donations without a huge advertising campaign? Yes!! There was such a time (long past as I'm sure you know) where you could donate without getting any kind of reward, only problem was that hardly anyone donated, hence the need for Constellation to -BUY- support from us.

    I still think we need to start over at v1.04 or earlier, maybe even 1.01 or something (whichever version got rid of that horrible 1500-2000 ping from the first one) and continue from there. Every version of NS since 2.0 has been fraught with problems; the fundamental gameplay of NS has been altered considerably since the earlier versions, and it has certainly not been a welcome change.

    Edit: Of course the icon and benefits are the aim of the system; don't insult me by denying it. Every single person who donates is integrated into that list of Constellation members. If everyone really was "just donating" then they wouldn't include their WON/Steam ID or whatever else you people need. To include this information in your transaction demonstrates a voluntary decision to join Constellation and benefit from your so-called "donation".
  • VerthandiVerthandi Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10687Members, NS1 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin-Arawn+Feb 16 2004, 09:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Arawn @ Feb 16 2004, 09:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ...
    Hmm.. "before anyone knew that anyone was going to get anything"? You mean there was a time when the devteam accepted donations without a huge advertising campaign? Yes!! There was such a time (long past as I'm sure you know) where you could donate without getting any kind of reward, only problem was that hardly anyone donated, hence the need for Constellation to -BUY- support from us.
    ... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The Constellation was formed before 2.0. There were initially no rewards for donating. If I remember correctly, there was a thread asking all the Constellation members to post in it to see how many there were. There were 200+.
  • Night_ShadeNight_Shade Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14985Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Verthandi+Feb 17 2004, 12:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Verthandi @ Feb 17 2004, 12:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Arawn+Feb 16 2004, 09:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Arawn @ Feb 16 2004, 09:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ...
    Hmm.. "before anyone knew that anyone was going to get anything"? You mean there was a time when the devteam accepted donations without a huge advertising campaign? Yes!! There was such a time (long past as I'm sure you know) where you could donate without getting any kind of reward, only problem was that hardly anyone donated, hence the need for Constellation to -BUY- support from us.
    ... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The Constellation was formed before 2.0. There were initially no rewards for donating. If I remember correctly, there was a thread asking all the Constellation members to post in it to see how many there were. There were 200+. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yep, and I'm proud to have donated then. I'm sorry some people feel the need for some sort of reward for helping out.

    As for hinting at some kind of reward, I don't remember the initial Constellation announcement exactly, but I do remember it making mention of some kind of reward. However, my reaction was not "Hey, cool, I can get something if I pay for it!", it was "Hey, cool, I can donate!"

    As for balance, I think 3.0 is approaching the most balanced of any of the NS releases. It's not there yet, but with some tweaking it will be.
  • MrMojoMrMojo Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9882Members, Constellation
    Now there's over 2000, if I'm not mistaken.

    I hate to say it, but he's right, a lot of us wouldn't have donated if there were no "benefits".

    Let's not debate the goodness of the normal person, if any of us donated and then had to wait for a month before getting anything, you'd be wondering about it too. The thread starter's post seems very mature to me, not whining or bitching, but simply asking where it is.

    Nem told you the answer, I suppose he can lock it now.
  • ArawnArawn Join Date: 2003-02-01 Member: 12954Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-MrMojo+Feb 16 2004, 08:59 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrMojo @ Feb 16 2004, 08:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I hate to say it, but he's right, a lot of us wouldn't have donated if there were no "benefits". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That's all I'm saying. Oh, and by the way, a couple of you seem confused about what I meant by a time when you didn't get anything for donating. Constellation hinted at a reward even in its initial stages; I was referring to when Constellation didn't exist and the only mention of donating was some obscure line in the FAQ somewhere. If you donated back then, you have my respect, even if you decided to donate again later to join Constellation. Otherwise you Constellation members can all go to hell.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Right or wrong, I won't allow this to degrade into the flaming of what is, all said and done, the group of players that keeps NS alive.

    <span style='color:red'>***Locked.***</span>
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