The Pride Of Our Ns Community
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Join Date: 2004-01-22 Member: 25571Members
Join Date: 2004-01-22 Member: 25571Members
<div class="IPBDescription">A rather common attitude</div> Hi all!
A few times I've seen some negative opinions about Counter-Strike. Why is it so? The CS community is concidered like a pack of n00bs and prepubertetic twarts by the NS community, but what makes that the NS Community if not some arrogant divas? I think this is stupid. Can't we at least be a good role-model? And if CS is just a bunch of crap compared to all the other mods and every 67,214 CS-Player is a n00b with no skill, then why do we need to care about them, our mod is superior anyways...
And the: "*weep* *weep* The CS n00bs are ruining my game! " is sad to see. Belive it or not, I was a newbie once too! <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> I asked how you got better guns and such, then some nice NS guy told me that the comm gives it to me when it's strategically right time and I was happy for having found a new mod with all new elements...
Now NS is the only mod I play, though if my friends asks me if I want to come play CS with them, I will. Why are so many people allergic to anything CS?
Points and views? Flames at least.
(Sorry for any miss-spelling, I'm from Finland...)
A few times I've seen some negative opinions about Counter-Strike. Why is it so? The CS community is concidered like a pack of n00bs and prepubertetic twarts by the NS community, but what makes that the NS Community if not some arrogant divas? I think this is stupid. Can't we at least be a good role-model? And if CS is just a bunch of crap compared to all the other mods and every 67,214 CS-Player is a n00b with no skill, then why do we need to care about them, our mod is superior anyways...
And the: "*weep* *weep* The CS n00bs are ruining my game! " is sad to see. Belive it or not, I was a newbie once too! <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> I asked how you got better guns and such, then some nice NS guy told me that the comm gives it to me when it's strategically right time and I was happy for having found a new mod with all new elements...
Now NS is the only mod I play, though if my friends asks me if I want to come play CS with them, I will. Why are so many people allergic to anything CS?
Points and views? Flames at least.
(Sorry for any miss-spelling, I'm from Finland...)
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I think it’s the fact that you join a cs public server 99% of time they are filled with arrogant 12 year old lamers that think they are god’s gift to gaming and try to enlarge their e-**** any chance they get. im sure there are lots of cool cs players out there its just you don’t get to see them very often.
CS has been given a bad reputation for being infested with llamas, idiots and cheaters.
I'm sure people who do dislike CS have their own reasons, but mine are:
a) The game gets very repetitive, very fast
b) On Many servers you get immature players dishing out insults or accusing of hacks
c) Getting flashbanged by your own team-members on purpose <b>every</b> round.
If you play CS for an hour or two, and find a server that cracks down on the llamas, then the game can be rather enjoyable, but personally I like a little bit more stragety in my games.
/me runs away
a) The game gets very repetitive, very fast
b) On Many servers you get immature players dishing out insults or accusing of hacks
c) Getting flashbanged by your own team-members on purpose every round.
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Amazingly enough, the same can be said about Natural Selection games, especially the combat variant.
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And the way things are going, NS is going to be given a bad reputation for being infested with elitist **** who sneer at you if you haven't been playing since release.
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Indeed. I find a good game of NS far more enjoyable than Combat.
<!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> (miss) <!--emo&::fade::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/fade.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='fade.gif' /><!--endemo--> (miss)
it is every comunity of people that DON'T play CS that bashes CS.
CSNub is a comonly ussed term everywhere.
Personaly, CS is boring and repetative to keep my attention for long (I play off and on, mainly Super Hero or WC3 mod <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
Yes some people suck and tend to flame any one new, but then again these are the same people that flame anyone new in CS.
Basicaly the large a comunity the more idiots you get. Ns is getting to the point where it is filling rapidly with 'csNubs' aka llamas.
Llamas have always been around, well before Llama was a phrase. When the Pearl script kidies came around the term Llama came into use. Pearl script Kiddies are no longer a problem, so people sought a new gorup to bash. "CSNubs" presented themselfs and now recieve the full brunt of the attack.
Personaly I hate CSNubs just as much (if not more) then most of the people who constantly mouth off about them. However I slightly smarter and can see that there are many nub caeks who are NOT Llamas (aka csnubs).
All in all, people suck.
Those CSNubs suck for runing games.
Those who **** all the time about CSNubs tend to be Llamas who just don't play CS.
Those people who are just elites bast'ds suck for making every one hate people who have been around for a while, and makes it so that we can't be proud of having been around (I have been around from before v1.0, and was a Constie before they were let into the beta. However I rarely mention these things b/c it jsut makes me look like of the stupid elietist bast'ds, I will defend that I didn't "Buy my way into the beta" if any one accuses me, but meh)
All in all, people suck, nuff said <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Indeed. I find a good game of NS far more enjoyable than Combat. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agree with that wholeheartdly norn. I also find CS an old and tired mod for my liking. I was playing CS just after release. Dont remember the version but its been a few years ago <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->. I picked up NS in november of 02 and I've been playing it pretty regular since then. This is the only gaming community I am active in. Im a member of a few more but I find this community in general to be the most attractive and friendly.
Thx for a great experience.
Counter-Strike is the game that lured a good 50 percent of current HL mod players into playing HL in the first place, bashing it is silly.
And I don't know what game you all are playing but I find just as many games of NS with immature kids whining about spawnkilling and grenade launchers as I do games of CS where immature kids whine about AWPs and "haxoring"
I see JUST AS MANY games of NS where people screw around and mess with their teammates as I do flashbangers in CS.
I see just as many games of NS where people cannot control their filthy mouths and be civil for two minutes as I do snot nosed kids in CS games.
Simply put: You all are not a 'core group' just because folks have been around since beta 1 does not make them any more mature, intelligent or cool than any "CS Newb" In fact, I have far more repsect for a counter-strike player exploring a new mod who says something like "What does carapce do?" Than the elitest beta 1 jerk who has a little icon next to his name and replies "OMG WHY R THERE NUBS ON ALL TEH SERVERS CS IS TAKING OVER TEH NS!!! OMG ****!"
And I have FAR more respect for the new player who puts up with all that BS and tries ernestly to learn the game, despite nay-sayers and elitests.
Remember- You were new once too, and chances are the first mod you played was CS. I dont care how "****" it is now. You got tired of it, and one day you'll get tired of NS, and chances are you'll say how '****' it is, and whine about "NS Nubs" coming and ruining your games.
Get off your high horse, and try to be more understanding that this game is no better than any other out there, and that if we need a thread like THIS to educate the community on manners, and inform them about their conduct, then this community is likewise, no better, if not worse than any other I've ever seen.
Change my mind, please. Next time you see a new player, encourage and help them, don't belittle and whine about them. It makes your whole point about your wonderful community being destroyed null and void.
<a href='http://www.steampowered.com/status/status.html' target='_blank'>The Natural Selection player pool is growing</a> too, and there is going to be an increase of lamers, n00bs and nubcaeks.
I don't mind explaining new players how the game works, but there will be more disruptive players, due to the increase of total players. Nothing one can do about it (except for banning them <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
Anyway, I don't think that CS gets boring very quickly, it can be alot of fun, and I have been playing it for a couple of years before I switched over to NS. It's still fun from time to time, but NS is just better.
*edit*
Also, NS is way more vulnerable to laming than CS ever was, because in NS a single player can easily screw up an entire team for a couple of rounds.
Only a few examples:
- Wrong commander (you all know what this means, commchair spam, yieppeehhh)
- Gorge blocking multiple resource nodes with chambers
- Gorge blocking important hallways with chambers
it is every comunity of people that DON'T play CS that bashes CS.
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Indeed. From what I have seen, CS bashing is very common among other HL mods, it is fairly common on other FPS game communities as well and it is not so rarely encountered on non-FPS games' forums. CS is hugely popular and its players are seen as sheep flocking to play it just because it's popular. "They play it because they are too stupid to find about better games/mods" or "They can't handle a game that takes real skill/intelligence to play" seem to be what CS bashers think about people who play CS.
I personally never really liked CS as a game and I tried it at the very first public beta long before any of these popularity spawned issues surfaced. Tried the later versions from time to time to see what the fuss was about, but it failed to become any more entertaining in my eyes. That is my opinion of course. What I most hate about CS is its popularity and the way it has affected the HL mod community over the years. I think it would have been "healthier" to have 3-5 different kinds of mods roughly evenly on top instead of 1 obviously dominating everything.
CS has been given a bad reputation for being infested with llamas, idiots and cheaters.
I'm sure people who do dislike CS have their own reasons, but mine are:
a) The game gets very repetitive, very fast
b) On Many servers you get immature players dishing out insults or accusing of hacks
c) Getting flashbanged by your own team-members on purpose <b>every</b> round.
If you play CS for an hour or two, and find a server that cracks down on the llamas, then the game can be rather enjoyable, but personally I like a little bit more stragety in my games.
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Yes half life is old im not disputing the fact, CS is old no matter how many people it brings in or how big the halflife moding community is.
I guess my view of CS comes from the fact that I played in the early beta's which was a good 2-3years ago (im sure someone will come and "e-own" me for not stating the correct date and time).im sure most CSers haven’t played for that long and that’s why they don’t think it is <b>old</b>,but for me playing something for a few years makes it <b>old </b>and repetitive.
NS on the other hand is not old.
no doubt it takes skill to play cs and no doubt there are skilful cs players.
but that doesn’t change my view on the majority of the community being tards(where im from) maybe its diffrent in the US or where ever your from.
my 20 cents, keep the change
I hope that some of the readers get the message, and thinks twice before doing their next flaming...
Well, the Half-Life engine was build from the Quake1 engine, with a few Quake2 engine modifications, so you could actually say its using the Quake engine <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The community was no better either. Between the hackers, lamers, llamas and 1337 d00dz, I was left with a rather bitter taste in my mouth. The few decent people that were there got drowned out in a sea of poor spelling.
The NS community may seem hostile, but only because you have people who are totally unfamiliar with the game suggesting things that would shift the balance so radically that it would become something painfully simple like CS. Usually the suggestions favor the marines heavily, since anybody who's played a FPS is familiar with the concept of people with firearms.
NS has quite possibly the steepest learning curve of any game I've ever played. Playing as the Kharaa is totally alien, even if you're a fan of melee only Quake. Being the commander is a daunting task since the marine team depends solely on your competence and micro skills.
So yes, people can be more than a little short with the CSnubs when they spam "How do I get better weapons?" fifty times after somebody has told them that the commander drops them. Virtually all questions I've ever seen ingame can be answered by reading the manual. I honestly don't think it's too much to ask people to become very familiar with both sides before posting some of the crazy things I've seen.
EDIT: Durr I mean in the sense that it doesn't require any thought to play, it's just too damned stupid, and because it is, it generally attracts stupid people. Then said stupid people see NS combat and go 'OMG FAST FORIUS AKSHUN I R WINNAR!' and play, and ruin NS's image, thusly giving you the 'stupid combat games' you describe.
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Amen, reverend. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So yes, people can be more than a little short with the CSnubs when they spam "How do I get better weapons?" fifty times after somebody has told them that the commander drops them. Virtually all questions I've ever seen ingame can be answered by reading the manual. I honestly don't think it's too much to ask people to become very familiar with both sides before posting some of the crazy things I've seen.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I can understand that people get annoyed when newbies ask the same question over and over again after the answer had been given a long time ago. The same thing happens to me. When I ask a question, I pay attention for some time to not miss the answer, and I expect the same thing from everyone else.
However, if you get a new game, the first thing you want to do is not always read the manual...
I can remember when I started playing Natural Selection roughly a year and a half ago, I never read the manuals, nor the forums. Though, I do not think I was the average CS player who is new to Natural Selection. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
This means that CS can be played stupidly or intelligently (just like NS) and that the intelligent team against a stupid team will win almost all the time (just like NS), thus intelligence plays an important role in winning in CS. The problem lies in the fact that most people that hate CS join random servers where more often than not there are two stupid teams playing against each other. (and by "stupid" I could also mean they are just having fun and not strategizing/working together... not necessarily an insult but a playstyle)
So, I must say time and time again to find a good server with nice regulars. The same applies to NS and most every other game. There are some bad NS servers out there with just poor playing style that will diminish the rewarding gameplay.
I shouldn't even have to comment on "skill" for in some ways CS takes more skill than NS. The only thing NS takes more skill in is movement.
NS is a great mod, must more so than CS will ever be. But do not deceive yourself about what makes it better. It's not that it takes more skill or tactical intelligence. It's not because of the lack of lamers or hackers. It's about overall strategy, long-term investment, atmosphere, setting, background, art, tight gameplay, uniqueness, and a strong core of gamers dedicated to making the game enjoyable whether it's the developers, server moderators, or the gamers themselves. CS has too many players to maintain that last one with any overall effectiveness.
Lastly, I'd like to comment on repetitiveness. It's not a negative attribute. Sports are notoriously repetitive and yet billions of people continue play and enjoy them all their life. CS is like a sport now, in that respect. You're no longer terrorists or counter-terrorists trying to fulfill your mission like in Rainbow Six or Ghost Recon. You're regular people playing within set rules trying to win the game.
(heh, could you imagine trying to convince someone that you don't like sports because they're repetitive? ha!)
Infact I don't like watching (playing is different) most sports b/c they are repetative. And I don't like playing the same sport for a long time (again, same reason)
the differance between CS and actual sports:
Round Time.
In CS you spend a few mins (tops) and then repeat.
Most sports it is a decent length longer before the repeat comes (thus why I can stand them for longer)
I just went back and played some more CS, and remembered another repetative thing I don't like:
1) Find server
2) Play Few Rounds
3) Decided the other people are twits
4) GoTo 1
Big comunity = imposible to find the good server.
As One of my Math/CS Major friends described it:
Intelegent people on the internet are like rational numbers on the Number line.
There is an infanatly large number of them, however you chance of ever finding them is 0
Oh, and for a litle bit further on why alot of people don't like CSNubs: (and this is my actual hatred of them)
Setup: Playing one of the less known mods (NS, WizardWars, Existance, HLPB etc) and some one joins the game (all to often with a steriotypical name like ss4goku)
Them: Question about game that they would have know if they rtfm <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
EX:
Them: WTH why do Ionly have 10 HP? (Existance)
US: Your a Civ/Swat. When the round
Them: WTH Why can't I zoom? (NS, duh <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
US: B/c The devs didn't want there to be a sniper rifle (the scope is just there to make the model nifty)
Them: WTH YOUR AIM BOTTING (HLPB, aka no hitscan weapons) or OMG YOUR USSING A HEALTH HACK!!! (something that isn't possible with out hacking the server <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
US: Thats not possible and here is why:explain (at this point they admin_vote_kick me.....)
Eventualy comes down to:
Them: OMG THIS GAME IS SO G$Y (note, I realy don't like bigots) CS IS SOMUCH BETTER!!
Me: You bought CS Retail didn't you?
Them: Yah, so?
Me: nothing *chukles* (this was especialy back when CSr was incredibly buggy)
Them: Continue ranting and flaming about how CS is somuch better:
Us: So why don't you just go back?
*Them disconected from the server*
YThe number of Llamas that answer yes to 'did you buy CSr?' is amusingly (or depresingly) high.
agree 500% with you
Infact I don't like watching (playing is different) most sports b/c they are repetative. And I don't like playing the same sport for a long time (again, same reason)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->That's fine. It's your preference. Don't hold it against CS, though, since billions of other people have no problem with repetition. In fact, repetition is what makes sports sports. Statistics and fairness all depend on it. The olympics are repetitive. It's very easy to say that CS is less repetitive than most sports.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->the differance between CS and actual sports:
Round Time.
In CS you spend a few mins (tops) and then repeat.
Most sports it is a decent length longer before the repeat comes (thus why I can stand them for longer)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Length of round time is your argument? I thought someone would mention one is real and one is simulated, but length of round time? yikes. Besides, each round isn't the same in CS. People who don't play competitively often don't realize how important economics is in CS. I wish pubs would get in on this part of the gameplay. Unfortunately strategies are often whatever you can say in 5 seconds.
I'd like to point out that in certain sports there are short "round" times (though they aren't considered "rounds" they act the same) lasting only several seconds. American Football, for instance, has a play every 6 seconds and 4 downs every 20 seconds or so. (game time) That's two cycles of very short periods which repeat themselves over and over. Then there's possessions as well. Look at Basketball. Each possession is a repeated "round" of types. Just like in CS, something different can happen each round or down... whatever.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I just went back and played some more CS, and remembered another repetative thing I don't like:
1) Find server
2) Play Few Rounds
3) Decided the other people are twits
4) GoTo 1<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Ask someone who plays regularly for a good server ip. Play with a friend you know. Playing randomly on a server in any game (even in NS) isn't that rewarding for me. However, because you spend so much time in NS, you know where to go and who to play with. It makes a huge difference.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Big comunity = imposible to find the good server.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Huh? Big communities do not change the percentage of good servers. Randomly joining servers is not a good way to find good servers. There is some logic you can follow to help you find the good ones. For instance, FF servers usually have a more mature player-base. But the best way is to ask someone who knows or just play with a friend. I almost never play without a friend online.
This means that CS can be played stupidly or intelligently (just like NS) and that the intelligent team against a stupid team will win almost all the time (just like NS), thus intelligence plays an important role in winning in CS. The problem lies in the fact that most people that hate CS join random servers where more often than not there are two stupid teams playing against each other. (and by "stupid" I could also mean they are just having fun and not strategizing/working together... not necessarily an insult but a playstyle)
So, I must say time and time again to find a good server with nice regulars. The same applies to NS and most every other game. There are some bad NS servers out there with just poor playing style that will diminish the rewarding gameplay.
I shouldn't even have to comment on "skill" for in some ways CS takes more skill than NS. The only thing NS takes more skill in is movement.
NS is a great mod, must more so than CS will ever be. But do not deceive yourself about what makes it better. It's not that it takes more skill or tactical intelligence. It's not because of the lack of lamers or hackers. It's about overall strategy, long-term investment, atmosphere, setting, background, art, tight gameplay, uniqueness, and a strong core of gamers dedicated to making the game enjoyable whether it's the developers, server moderators, or the gamers themselves. CS has too many players to maintain that last one with any overall effectiveness.
Lastly, I'd like to comment on repetitiveness. It's not a negative attribute. Sports are notoriously repetitive and yet billions of people continue play and enjoy them all their life. CS is like a sport now, in that respect. You're no longer terrorists or counter-terrorists trying to fulfill your mission like in Rainbow Six or Ghost Recon. You're regular people playing within set rules trying to win the game.
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You took the words right out of my mouth! Thank you good sir!
*edit* Forgot to add any relevant statements. I used to play cs religiously for about one and a half years. I enjoyed the team strategies involved when cooperation existed, split-second decisions, as well as the severity of life and death which consequently came after.
So I beg of the community to cease these harsh and negative remarks upon the game of Counter-Strike and the people who enjoy them as their favorite pastime. Their community is simply too diverse to label with a single sterotype.
Conversely, around the same time I frequently played with many EC members in the NS pre-1.0 playtests. Teamwork was practically a *given* in those games; everyone played their roles, followed orders, covered each other, stuck together, focused fire, the works.
I think that speaks volumes about the two games... NS simply lends itself to more cooperation naturally, while CS does nothing to promote that kind of teamwork.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Before 1.0 released, EC decided to have a teamwork-building practice playing CS. I'm not going to claim that we have anywhere near the organization of a serious clan (most ECers don't even play anymore, more's the pity), but it was amazing how quickly any kind of teamwork evaporated after several rounds of CS. It ended up as just another pug... no strategy, no plan, little to no teamwork.
Conversely, around the same time I frequently played with many EC members in the NS pre-1.0 playtests. Teamwork was practically a *given* in those games; everyone played their roles, followed orders, covered each other, stuck together, focused fire, the works.
I think that speaks volumes about the two games... NS simply lends itself to more cooperation naturally, while CS does nothing to promote that kind of teamwork.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Outside of the fact that it will allow you to win? I think that it's probably a lack of discipline that caused that disorder rather than CS itself. Maybe no one took it seriously because it wasn't actually NS.
I will say that NS requires more teamwork than CS does on average. It's simply too difficult to get things done by yourself. (ie. get in comm chair, drop structures, get out, build, get back in, etc) Plus, in many circumstances it is almost necessary to have more than one player to succeed. A single marine against an Onos or Fade, for instance. That's something you won't find in CS because all players are nearly alike when it comes to health and armor. (of course this causes balance problems in NS when the teams get small enough, but that's another discussion)
1.) play with friends
2.) play on a server wher eyou have admin
3.) Play on a server with 2-3 admins (zT CS server when it's up)
Tips for Enjoyable NS:
1.) play with friends
2.) Play on a server where you have admin
3.) play on a server where you are a regular... if you are around alot, people get used to you, and you get used to them...
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I recently played a game with (note, WITH as in on the same team as) a CS clan. on De_Dust2, there is lingo, patterns, and discussion going on, continuously... and to make my point clear, they did not lose... at all. When you communicate, and know the skills of your other teamates, you can work better as a team.
I followed this Clan into a NS match, where again, i found myself on their team. Their well-oiled CS-Winning machine degraded into "can i have a bangy thing?" and "i want to fly!".
Even the most serious clans and players will turn into little giddy children when you give them a new toy... Today boys and girls, we give you a new toy... NS... please be patient, once they get acustomed to their new toy, you will find more and more skilled players, we are now experiancing the "wow, this is new" period, give them about 3 weeks... it'll pass.
i still cant decided what i find more annoying. A)people that think other hl mods are cs mods, or B) peopl that have played cs for the last 4-5 years and still think its fun to camp in a corner with a awp.