War On Iran?
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<div class="IPBDescription">coming up?</div> <a href='http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/02/19/iran.nuclear/index.html' target='_blank'>http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/02/19/...lear/index.html</a>
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- International inspectors have discovered uranium enrichment centrifuge parts in Iran that are much more sophisticated than the type Tehran has admitted to having, a senior Bush administration official said Thursday.
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i hope bush get's kicked out before this happens.
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- International inspectors have discovered uranium enrichment centrifuge parts in Iran that are much more sophisticated than the type Tehran has admitted to having, a senior Bush administration official said Thursday.
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i hope bush get's kicked out before this happens.
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I personally think that a second revolution is coming in Iran, after the last months and previous years unrest with the hardliners from the very young population of that country. I don't think they will need invading; just sit back and watch the Mullahs get tossed out by kids demanding their MTV...
look at iraq - they said they wen't there for the weapons. same thing could be applied here.
There's always North Korea though, or we could go back to Vietnam, suprise the heck out of those guys.
i agree.
On the other hand, a new war might guarantee him another term.
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Can you restate this in English?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hah, USA's best friend Pakistan forbid the IAEA to enter, just this week.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How is that relevant?
Loving thoses "teenangsters" all of a sudden hmmm ? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Indeed , the conservative Mullahs won't stay in power forever. But hoping to see Mc Donald's in Iran anytime soon is foolish because of the extremely strong anti american feelings.
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I was under the impression that the UK was our main ally...
On a side note, militarily, the US could invade plenty of countries simoutaneously. It'd be a giant undertaking, and probably logistically fail, but the US does have the manpower to attack a bunch of countries at once.
I don't really see the US attacking Iran soon. There hasn't really been any concern about Iran in the last few years (aside from the caution of suicide bombers and other radical things possibly coming out). It'd be like expecting the US to attack Saudi Arabia (which a larger harbor for terrorists, but we're not going to attack them).
I also don't see the US attacking North Korea soon, although I could see assistance from the US for South Korea again, should one side attack the other spontaneously...there still is a DMZ
Or, we could end up defending Taiwan against China, although, I haven't heard anything about this in awhile, and I think it's died down.
Personally, I think we should run over and help Russia get its nukes locked down, but that's probably just me.
Indeed , the conservative Mullahs won't stay in power forever. But hoping to see Mc Donald's in Iran anytime soon is foolish because of the extremely strong anti american feelings. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
/me shakes fist at teenangster love! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
You got me good with that one, LOL.
Your mcdonalds statement reminded me of an article I was reading in a break room. It was from a mountain climbers fitness magazine, and the article was by an American who spent over a year in Iran climbing various peaks (The Caucus mountains run through there and the Iranians are a very mountain-loving folk, apparently). What struck me from the reading was how much everyone he met talked (off the record) about loving America and democracy and the rest. Everyone listened to bootlegged hip-hop music (on pain of death sometimes - the RIAA has nothing on Mullahs!). People wore American style clothes when they went out on the town (or reasonable facsimillies). The author also noted how young everyone was - the Iran-Iraq war was like ten WW1's to this country - it wiped out several generations, and now the population is just extremely young - the youth outnumber the middle-aged and elderly by a considerable margin.
It will be very interesting to see how it all goes. People said that there would never be a Burger King in Moscow. 1989 showed how the youth of a country and overcome the strongest dictatorship if they only try...
NOT that I am advocating teenangsters, mind you. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Indeed , the conservative Mullahs won't stay in power forever. But hoping to see Mc Donald's in Iran anytime soon is foolish because of the extremely strong anti american feelings. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
/me shakes fist at teenangster love! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
You got me good with that one, LOL.
Your mcdonalds statement reminded me of an article I was reading in a break room. It was from a mountain climbers fitness magazine, and the article was by an American who spent over a year in Iran climbing various peaks (The Caucus mountains run through there and the Iranians are a very mountain-loving folk, apparently). What struck me from the reading was how much everyone he met talked (off the record) about loving America and democracy and the rest. Everyone listened to bootlegged hip-hop music (on pain of death sometimes - the RIAA has nothing on Mullahs!). People wore American style clothes when they went out on the town (or reasonable facsimillies). The author also noted how young everyone was - the Iran-Iraq war was like ten WW1's to this country - it wiped out several generations, and now the population is just extremely young - the youth outnumber the middle-aged and elderly by a considerable margin.
It will be very interesting to see how it all goes. People said that there would never be a Burger King in Moscow. 1989 showed how the youth of a country and overcome the strongest dictatorship if they only try...
NOT that I am advocating teenangsters, mind you. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Isn't proactive behaviour a direct deterant to angst therfore rendering revolutionist teenagers angst free? *gasp* angst free teenagers!
Considering that an Iranian woman won a Nobel peace prize last year I think it won't take nearly as long as people think for international culture to be a present force in Iran (Burger King isn't just for America anymore).
Plus we can just bus over McDonalds from Iraq after we're done there.
i still dont see where it says that we are going to war with them.
Jump to conclusions gives us a bad name
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Uhh, because it would be totally useless to focus on Iran possibly being able to produce something that is remotely connected to WMD's while other countries already have a bomb, and dont even say they are naughty. It is like invading Iraq because they violate some UN regulations while neglecting - supporting - Israel to do the same.
Leaving aside the internal pressure that American cultural imperialsm has created (JOKE!) and the possiblity of reform through revolution or just bowing to the will of the *young* masses, America CANNOT be seen to wage war on another Muslim nation. It would just be reinforcing the suspicion that this was an attack on Islam, not terror.
I think the biggest indication is Bush praising Sistani on the new US govt Islamic TV station.
Did Pakistan even sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty? I want to say no, but I'm not completely sure off-hand and I can't research it atm.
So anyways... If Pakistan did not sign the treaty, then there is no way we can fault them for not letting the IAEA in.
So anyways... If Pakistan did not sign the treaty, then there is no way we can fault them for not letting the IAEA in. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not according to this UN list:
<a href='http://disarmament2.un.org/wmd/npt/nptrevlist.html' target='_blank'>http://disarmament2.un.org/wmd/npt/nptrevlist.html</a>
Iran, Libya and Iraq did, though, and we all see how well they followed that...
The whole gross mess with Pakistan is still unraveling as we speak and no one here has anything like the facts necessary to make much of a reasoned judgement. My personal thought is that Pakistan's 'Dr Nuke' operated with the knowledge of the government, but remember that the current government was not in power during this timeframe. Are you saying that fighting nuclear proliferation is bad?
The whole gross mess with Pakistan is still unraveling as we speak and no one here has anything like the facts necessary to make much of a reasoned judgement. My personal thought is that Pakistan's 'Dr Nuke' operated with the knowledge of the government, but remember that the current government was not in power during this timeframe. Are you saying that fighting nuclear proliferation is bad? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
"It had been going for more than ten years, and the international intelligence community had pretty much known what was happening. The Indian navy raid on the North Korean ship, for example, took place five years ago. "
<a href='http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/3473117.stm' target='_blank'>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from...ent/3473117.stm</a>
So that was during Musharraf's reign.
Anyway, you did not exactly say that pakistan was fluffy & cute, but I did not here you utter even one whisper of protest. Compare that to your reaction on Iran's situation.
Anyway, I'm not saying fighting proliferation is bad, I am just saying that you are focussing on the wrong country.
I wasn't aware of the Indian connection, that's disturbing stuff. I wonder what the UN will do with Pakistan if they find a real connection between NK and Pak nuclear programs...
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I am not saying we should invade Pakistan. War is the last resort, and should be avoided at almost all costs, especially when a country has got nukes.
I wasn't aware of the Indian connection, that's disturbing stuff. I wonder what the UN will do with Pakistan if they find a real connection between NK and Pak nuclear programs... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I am not saying we should invade Pakistan. War is the last resort, and should be avoided at almost all costs, especially when a country has got nukes. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But it will happen, Bush is all set on completing his 'War on Terror!' plan.
Sigh for us.
+ they must have some raw materials in Pakistan, that's a good reason too right? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
There's always North Korea though, or we could go back to Vietnam, suprise the heck out of those guys. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Vietnam would be up for handing you your arses again I'm sure <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
On a side note, Iran has 'elections' today.
but if we do goto war, whos gunna be going in first?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> Yes the Royal Marine Commandos.